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    Default Re: How did Latin give origin to the different romance languages?

    Yeah French is just completely totalitarian and genocidal when it comes to regional languages and cultures. I love France, used to go to school there for short times, spoke and more or less still speak French, but for this there's no excuse.

    The reason why the EU has fewer official languages than one country (Russia) is France. Once very flourishing languages like Provencal are practically dead. Until 1789 they were doing quite fine.
    Then the revolution came along, and had a man named Abbé Henri Grégoire make a survey, which had him conclude that "while France was the language of civilized Europe, France itself had no more than three million 'pure' French-speakers [11% of the population], and many of them were unable to write it correctly."
    Twice as many of its people (6 million) didn't speak it at all, and another 6 million barely.
    Grégoire advocated eradicating all dialects and forcing everyone to speak only French, and some efforts were made in that regard.

    Yet even in 1880, only 8 million (roughly 20%) spoke it fluently.

    The country is destroying its own heritage and linguistic DNA. Almost all of that damage is from the third and 4th republic. In the 1940s, 1 million spoke Breton, now it's 170000, who are mostly elderly. Spoke a minority language in public? Well that's jail or fine for you monsieur!

    As late as 1972 you have a president saying that "there is no place for minority languages in a France destined to make its mark on Europe".
    Luckily France stopped being so aggressive about it a few decades (=not very long) ago but without active measures the damage will soon and in many places already is irreversible. ALL of the native continental languages except the main one in France are endangered. And France still hasn't ratified ECRML, and it never will.
    It amended its constitution as late as 1992 to make sure of that: "The language of the republic is French". Any preservation measures are unconstitutional.

    So a huge chunk of European heritage is going to die out in our lifetime. Remember "Deus lo vult"? That was old provencal. It's quite ironic that the party that's the most scared of muslim immigrants (Front national) is also the one pushing the hardest for a "zero tolerance policy": "Language and power go hand in hand" - Party manifesto of the FN.

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    Wait did Cookie just answer seriously in the TD?! Well I guess yes I did.

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    Default Re: How did Latin give origin to the different romance languages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cookiegod View Post
    Wait did Cookie just answer seriously in the TD?! Well I guess yes I did.
    this offence is serious enough to have you banned from the TD, young sir

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    Default Re: How did Latin give origin to the different romance languages?

    Well Cookie triggered

    Quote Originally Posted by Cookiegod View Post
    From Socrates over Jesus to me it has always been the lot of any true visionary to be rejected by the reactionary bourgeoisie
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    Default Re: How did Latin give origin to the different romance languages?

    That was actually a great post. Learned a few things I didn't know before. Thanks Cookie. I mean that unironically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookiegod View Post
    Wait did Cookie just answer seriously in the TD?! Well I guess yes I did.
    I am glad you did. I agree wholeheartedly; that kind of policy is pure tyranny.

    I think even today Le Pens are against improving the status of Breton, even though they are of Breton ancestry. The name Pen is also Breton meaning head or headland, although some sources dispute that.

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    Default Re: How did Latin give origin to the different romance languages?

    There's another Romance language spoken in Thessaly and the Pindos mountains called Aromanian. Sounds a bit similar to Romanian but they're not mutually intelligible due to having split from Romanian during the Dark Ages and the heavy Greek influence upon it.
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    Default Re: How did Latin give origin to the different romance languages?

    You mean Transylvanian? The dracula language?

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    Default Re: How did Latin give origin to the different romance languages?

    Neat! I was unaware that undead vampires had their own Romance language aside from Romanian.

    I've been to Bucharest and Brasov before. Lovely cities. But they were filled with the undead, with vampires. Only the gypsies were real human beings.

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    They even had one of them transylvanian vampires on the eurovision, look!


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    Indeed! Frightening stuff. On that note, if you have varicose veins, I would advise you not to travel to Romania, otherwise you're bound to get bitten by the undead who feast on the blood and the flesh of the living.

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    Look guys, this is really a new low blow against me. You all know that I cannot risk making a joke comparing gypsys to vampires. This temptation and the obvious similarities notwithstanding I'll be a model citizen now. Even though gypsies and vampires are literally the same.

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    Wait, isn't that CHLOE's old avatar?

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    Default Re: How did Latin give origin to the different romance languages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cookiegod View Post
    Look guys, this is really a new low blow against me. You all know that I cannot risk making a joke comparing gypsys to vampires. This temptation and the obvious similarities notwithstanding I'll be a model citizen now. Even though gypsies and vampires are literally the same.
    Cookie, who says anything about jokes? What i posted was 100% real deal and legit. Its a normal thing.

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    Default Re: How did Latin give origin to the different romance languages?

    All gypsies are vampires, but not all vampires are gypsies.

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    Default Re: How did Latin give origin to the different romance languages?

    What about the dshoos?!

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