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Common Soldier
Last edited by Common Soldier; October 07, 2020 at 10:00 PM. Reason: typos
You, uh, missed a few.
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Common Soldier
When it comes to Islam, the same people who acknowledge
legitimate criticism ofnIsrael brand any criticism of Islam as Islamophobia, yourself included
I have said that people have been inconsistent, hypocritical, and even hateful. But when have I
ever called something Islamophobic? I went out of my way to avoid that word, specifically because it bothers people so much.
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Common Soldier
When have younever acknowledged any legitimate criticism of Islam, wiithout making excuses?
Once I’m sure that the person making the criticism isn’t trying to mask their Muslim bashing. Or are you seriously asking me? Well, my name is
pacifism … and I said before that the Qur’an tries to justify the use of violence, so … I’ll let you put the two together.
EDIT: Actually, I’ll just say it, because I don’t trust you to accurately represent me anymore: when I said that Islam allows for wars in self-defense, that wasn’t a compliment. I think Islam justifies the use of violence, which I think is wrong because I believe that violence is never justified. There’s one, for starters.
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Common Soldier
It is nice ofnyounat least to acknowledge that much of the Muslim criticism comes islamic bigotry antisemitism. What you don't know is that antisemitism in the Muslim world comes from the Koran and Islam itself; you are ignorant of that fact due to your own admitted ignorance of Islam.
You’re right that I do not know about that. But I have heard about how popular
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion has been in that part of the world.
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Common Soldier
You are being less than honest, since you wouldn't have to quouted thr verse if you were not trying to imply just that.
I’ll take that as a “no, I didn’t consider that”.
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Common Soldier
If you are not familar with the religion of Islam as you say, then you have no business making the claims you have, and asserting Islam is not the cause, when you are admitting your ignorace.
It is dishonest to plead ignorance and then make the assertion of Islam teached or does not, but you most certainly did.
I quoted it and then asked some basic questions on how it is interpreted. I never said it taught anything. You did. Apparently, what I said was still enough for you to pigeonhole me as some kind of horrible person who defends murder and oppression. That’s not very nice of you at all.
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Common Soldier
Again, you are trying to imply that, otherwise you would not have brought up the topic in the first place. Now you are dishonestly changing your tack when you couldn't refute the facts presented to you.
I said never said that, and I’m sorry if the subtext misled into thinking that I was implying it, because that was never my position. I mentioned abrogation very off-handedly in a list of considerations to make while reading the Qur’an. You’re imagining arguments and positions that I never actually take.
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Common Soldier
What you believe is irrelevant if you are not a Muslim as you imply, and even if you were, your belief would still be irrelevant, since your beliefs don't represent most Muslims.
I’m starting to think that you don’t really care about
anything that I actually believe.
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Common Soldier
And your haste to make excuses for Islam and not recognizing that even many "moderate" hold views which are intolerant unacceptable delays the reforms.Islam needs. Why would Islam change if Islamic apologist like you keep making excused for Islam and refuse to admit there is any problem?
I never said there are no problems. I said the problems have multiple causes. Don’t deliberately misinterpret me.
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Common Soldier
You care far more about "islamophobia" than the far greater number of victims Muslims.
This thread is called “Islamophobia in the West”.
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Common Soldier
And if say there are no democratic Muslim countries, that says something negative about Islam. But if you admit there are democratic Muslim countries, then even moderate Muslims approve of treating non Muslims as second class citizens, and that is a problem with even moderate Muslims you refuse to admit.
Tunisia and Indonesia are making progress towards becoming full democracies, although Indonesia partly backslid. They’re not perfect, but right now, should we support them, or snub them?
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Common Soldier
A true Muslim apologist, that you can find matters of genocide and rape by Muslims matter to joke about.
It’s a joke about a conspiracy theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement
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Common Soldier
You don't even admit that Islamic terrorist has anything to do with Islam, and you demonstrate you don't care about the people Muslims kill.
First of all, that’s a horrible thing to say!
Second, I do care. As I said before, I want to let the potential victims of terror flee to my country for safety and a new life. Most of these potential victims are Muslims themselves who probably aren’t fans of terrorism at this point. But for reasons that I do not fully understand, many humble critics of Islam take issue with those particular ideas.
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Common Soldier
I have heard you condemned the killing of non Mulsims by Muslims - let us hear you condemn the genocide of Armenians by Muslims and the large scale killings of Christian Assyrians without making some excuse.
I acknowledge and condemn the massacres and genocides committed by the Muslim Ottoman Empire against the predominantly Christian Greeks, Assyrians, and Armenians in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries that is denied by the Turkish government to this day, along with any other acts of aggression committed by anyone in human history. Why were you so insistent on making me say that I’m anti-genocide? I’m sad that you think so little of me just because we have some disagreements.
This isn’t the first time you’ve implied that I don’t care much for Christians. I find it really bizarre; I’m not sure where you got that impression, because it’s not true at all.