Israel and UAE announce normalisation of relations. Bahrain follows suit, as does Sudan.

[nhytgbvfeco2]

There was never a serious move regarding settlements. For decades, settlements in West Bank continued to be built and their population continued to rise.

Settlements were frozen for 10 months back in 2010. Where's the peace deal? Why are they even setting pre-conditions for negotiations to happen? Aren't they suffering and breaking under the weight of the occupation? So why are they delaying?

Making recognition part of a deal makes no sense. It's pedantic.

Makes perfect sense. When a region is trying to declare independence from a state it must first negotiate for recognition from it.

Just because Israel might have made a bunch of proposals doesn't mean they were sensible. If they were serious about peace they wouldn't have meddled in Palestinian politics in favor of Hamas against Fatah.

Why weren't they sensible? What do you consider sensible? That 100% of palestinian demands be met and Israel gain nothing in return? lol.

They wouldn't have allowed Jewish settlements in West Bank.

Settlements were also allowed in the Sinai peninsula and yet we still somehow signed peace, crazy how the settlements didn't prevent peace in that instance. Israel also unilaterally withdrew from settlements in Gaza to show willingness to achieve peace, but we got rockets for that one.

The fact of the matter is, Israel enjoys having no peace. It lets them enable more land grab through more settlers.

Israel is not the one currently refusing to negotiate and setting pre-conditions for negotiations.

[nhytgbvfeco2]

And the snowball continues, as today thanks to president Trump yet another Arab country normalised relations with Israel: Morocco!

[Papay]

And the snowball continues, as today thanks to president Trump yet another Arab country normalised relations with Israel: Morocco!

Morocco took Western Sahara for this. Dont worry. They will keep voting against Israel in UN

[sumskilz]

Morocco took Western Sahara for this. Dont worry. They will keep voting against Israel in UN

In reality, the benefits of normalization are significant for Israel, whereas Morocco's hypocritical voting at the UN (whether it continues or not) is of little to no consequence. Morocco didn't receive anything it didn't already posses. It has held the territory for decades with the tacit support of two permanent members of the UN Security Council. Those who oppose Morocco's annexation will continue to do so, with equally unsuccessful results.

[Papay]

In reality, the benefits of normalization are significant for Israel, whereas Morocco's hypocritical voting at the UN (whether it continues or not) is of little to no consequence. Morocco didn't receive anything it didn't already posses. It has held the territory for decades with the tacit support of two permanent members of the UN Security Council. Those who oppose Morocco's annexation will continue to do so, with equally unsuccessful results.

You act like somehow Morocco became an ally with Israel against Palestinians. Lol

https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-com...ge-majorities/

All these countries of course will continue attacking Israel for its treatment of Palestinians

[nhytgbvfeco2]

You act like somehow Morocco became an ally with Israel against Palestinians. Lol

https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-com...ge-majorities/

All these countries of course will continue attacking Israel for its treatment of Palestinians

Yeah, so does Sweden, doesn't make them an enemy country. Normalisation of relations is all Israel wants, the UN is irrelevant and the votes there don't matter.
You are missing the bigger picture. For decades Israel was told that there will be no normalisation of relations with Arab nations if it doesn't first give up its territory to the palis. That has now changed, and the PA is losing its sole bargaining chip, the literal 1 single thing it had to offer Israel: relations with countries that aren't them.

[Papay]

Yeah, so does Sweden, doesn't make them an enemy country. Normalisation of relations is all Israel wants, the UN is irrelevant and the votes there don't matter.
You are missing the bigger picture. For decades Israel was told that there will be no normalisation of relations with Arab nations if it doesn't first give up its territory to the palis. That has now changed, and the PA is losing its sole bargaining chip, the literal 1 single thing it had to offer Israel: relations with countries that aren't them.

Well good luck with the annexed west bank. Either apartheid or 50-50% votes between Arabs and Jews.

[nhytgbvfeco2]

Well good luck with the annexed west bank. Either apartheid or 50-50% votes between Arabs and Jews.

No Israeli party wants to annex the whole thing. I certainly don't.

[PointOfViewGun]

You are missing the bigger picture. For decades Israel was told that there will be no normalisation of relations with Arab nations if it doesn't first give up its territory to the palis. That has now changed, and the PA is losing its sole bargaining chip, the literal 1 single thing it had to offer Israel: relations with countries that aren't them.

That is a rather non-consequential bargaining chip. What did Palestine get for it? Nothing. Palestine has no bargaining chip.

[sumskilz]

You act like somehow Morocco became an ally with Israel against Palestinians. Lol

https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-com...ge-majorities/

All these countries of course will continue attacking Israel for its treatment of Palestinians

The UAE was already an ally of Israel prior to normalization, the king of Bahrain denounced the Arab League's boycott of Israel back in 2017, and Morocco was already buying ten of millions of dollars worth of Israeli weapons prior to normalization.

A non-binding vote in the UN General Assembly is not an attack, it's a comment that carries no real consequences. It's nothing more than an opportunity for politicians to pretend that they care. Whereas normalization with these countries is worth literally $billions to Israel.

[nhytgbvfeco2]

That is a rather non-consequential bargaining chip. What did Palestine get for it? Nothing. Palestine has no bargaining chip.

It was a bargaining chip, it just wasn't enough on its own. It had most of the Israeli left and centre convinced. That is now changing, and along with the Israeli left dying, hopefully the PA will realise that time is no longer on their side and that they will need to compromise if they ever want this conflict to end.

[Vanoi]

It was a bargaining chip, it just wasn't enough on its own. It had most of the Israeli left and centre convinced. That is now changing, and along with the Israeli left dying, hopefully the PA will realise that time is no longer on their side and that they will need to compromise if they ever want this conflict to end.

Why would the Palestinians need to end the conflict? They practically have nothing to lose anymore. Why not continue to cause problems for Israel? Because they won't get a better peace deal? The last peace deal offered was complete . The two-state solution isn't even remotely viable anymore.

The Palestinians only have their lives to lose at this point and they've shown they are more than willing to give up that life if it gives them a chance to ram an Israeli soldier with a car.

[PointOfViewGun]

It was a bargaining chip, it just wasn't enough on its own. It had most of the Israeli left and centre convinced. That is now changing, and along with the Israeli left dying, hopefully the PA will realise that time is no longer on their side and that they will need to compromise if they ever want this conflict to end.

What did Israel give in exchange for this bargain?

[sumskilz]

Why would the Palestinians need to end the conflict?

The Palestinian leadership has no incentive to, things are going well for them. Although maybe too well, Abbas had to give up his six million dollar palace because it was starting to attract too much attention to the fact.

[Papay]

The UAE was already an ally of Israel prior to normalization, the king of Bahrain denounced the Arab League's boycott of Israel back in 2017, and Morocco was already buying ten of millions of dollars worth of Israeli weapons prior to normalization.

A non-binding vote in the UN General Assembly is not an attack, it's a comment that carries no real consequences. It's nothing more than an opportunity for politicians to pretend that they care. Whereas normalization with these countries is worth literally $billions to Israel.

Turkey is more allied to Israel than UAE

[Papay]

No Israeli party wants to annex the whole thing. I certainly don't.

Tell that to the 400.000 settlers living in west bank, excluding those that live in east jerusalem

[conon394]

In reality, the benefits of normalization are significant for Israel, whereas Morocco's hypocritical voting at the UN (whether it continues or not) is of little to no consequence. Morocco didn't receive anything it didn't already posses. It has held the territory for decades with the tacit support of two permanent members of the UN Security Council. Those who oppose Morocco's annexation will continue to do so, with equally unsuccessful results.

My question is what did Mr art of the deal get for the US out of this. 100 year under market price for Phosphates for us companies? More less as far as I can nothing its not Morocco was hostile to Israel nor it going to do anything to overtly help Israel.

[nhytgbvfeco2]

What did Israel give in exchange for this bargain?

A bargaining chip is only useful when you make use of it. They tried to, but the price they asked for was too high for Israel to accept, and now they've lost it all together because they wouldn't compromise.

Why would the Palestinians need to end the conflict? They practically have nothing to lose anymore. Why not continue to cause problems for Israel? Because they won't get a better peace deal? The last peace deal offered was complete . The two-state solution isn't even remotely viable anymore.

The Palestinians only have their lives to lose at this point and they've shown they are more than willing to give up that life if it gives them a chance to ram an Israeli soldier with a car.

The deals won't get any better if they just keep waiting and doing nothing. Every deal they've been offered was "worse" for them than the last, it takes a blind man not to see the trend. They may think that they have nothing to lose, but they do, and they certainly have a lot to gain from making a deal.

Turkey is more allied to Israel than UAE

Nope. Used to be, but nowadays it is not.

Tell that to the 400.000 settlers living in west bank, excluding those that live in east jerusalem

Annexing the areas they live in, such as proposed by the Trump peace plan, would mean virtually no Arabs being annexed. Far from the 50%-50% scenario you are trying to paint.

[PointOfViewGun]

A bargaining chip is only useful when you make use of it. They tried to, but the price they asked for was too high for Israel to accept, and now they've lost it all together because they wouldn't compromise.

So, it wasn't a bargaining chip. OK. Humor me. What did they ask for?

[Vanoi]

The deals won't get any better if they just keep waiting and doing nothing. Every deal they've been offered was "worse" for them than the last, it takes a blind man not to see the trend. They may think that they have nothing to lose, but they do, and they certainly have a lot to gain from making a deal.

Lol i have read the deal. Its . No one supported it but Israel and the Trump administration. Maybe the trend is that Israel offers bad deals and expects the Palestinians to accept them. While this is going on Israelis settlements continued to be constructed. Israel isn't even negotiating in good faith.

I'll remind you this conflict has gone on how how long now? About 71 or 72 years right? You really think they can't afford to continue to wait and harass Israel like they have done during these 70 years? The deals gain them nothing but a piecemeal state that is practically dependent on Israel. More of a protectorate than an actual state. There's no reason to except that. If Israel wants to keep sinking billions of dollars into dealing with the Palestinian issue then let them. Its their money to waste.