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    Quote Originally Posted by Pontifex Maximus View Post
    What has Trump done to gut the postal service?
    Hiring one of his cronies who proceeded to make cause causing major disruptions to service doesn't countb?

    And you see no issues whatsoever with that union endorsing Biden while the demkcrats simultaneoulsy call for universal mail in voting?
    Between the attacks on the postal service and the global pandemic making some people a bit shakey about in-person voting, is it really any surprise that the postal union endorsed Biden or that there more calls for mail-in voting?

    That doesn't strike you as potentially problematic at all?
    Nowhere near as problematic that Trump put one of his biggest donors/cronies with no relevant experience in the office of Postmaster General who promptly proceeded to make major cuts causing huge delays. Mail-in voting is much harder to suppress if the postal service is running efficiently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irontaino View Post
    Hiring one of his cronies who proceeded to make cause causing major disruptions to service doesn't countb?
    Source?
    Between the attacks on the postal service and the global pandemic making some people a bit shakey about in-person voting, is it really any surprise that the postal union endorsed Biden or that there more calls for mail-in voting?
    If you can riot and loot without fear of pandemic, then you can vote as well lol.
    Nowhere near as problematic that Trump put one of his biggest donors/cronies with no relevant experience in the office of Postmaster General who promptly proceeded to make major cuts causing huge delays. Mail-in voting is much harder to suppress if the postal service is running efficiently.
    How did those cuts caused delays?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Source?
    https://www.esquire.com/news-politic...e-louis-dejoy/

    https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/8/7/...ail-in-ballots

    If you can riot and loot without fear of pandemic, then you can vote as well lol.
    Might wanna take another whack at reading that sentence.

    How did those cuts caused delays?
    https://abc7chicago.com/postal-servi...oting/6358755/
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    Those sound like incoherent rants by Democrat supporters who are offended with the fact that GOP government assigns GOP members on positions of government, but doesn't really explain how exactly did Trump "gut" USPS.
    Might wanna take another whack at reading that sentence.
    Not sure what you meant by this. Just find it hilarious how same Democrats and their supporters that praised race riots by BLM and antifa all of a sudden realize that pandemic is a thing when its convenient, but ignore it when it is not.
    So the whole thing is just a baseless claim made by Democrat politicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Those sound like incoherent rants by Democrat supporters who are offended with the fact that GOP government assigns GOP members on positions of government, but doesn't really explain how exactly did Trump "gut" USPS.

    Not sure what you meant by this. Just find it hilarious how same Democrats and their supporters that praised race riots by BLM and antifa all of a sudden realize that pandemic is a thing when its convenient, but ignore it when it is not.


    So the whole thing is just a baseless claim made by Democrat politicians.
    Thank you for confirming you didn't actually read any of the sources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irontaino View Post
    Thank you for confirming you didn't actually read any of the sources.
    You said Trump's appointee "gutted" USPS but neither of your sources proved that USPS was, in fact, "gutted". Partisan statements made by party brass are not evidence in themselves, even if you support the party in question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irontaino View Post
    Hiring one of his cronies who proceeded to make cause causing major disruptions to service doesn't countb?
    No, because this position has been a political appointment (spoils appointment really) since the inception of the Republic.

    Between the attacks on the postal service and the global pandemic making some people a bit shakey about in-person voting, is it really any surprise that the postal union endorsed Biden or that there more calls for mail-in voting?
    1. What attacks on the postal service?

    2. What shakey in person voting issues?

    3. The fact the dems would do whatever they need to do to regain power? No surprise at all.

    4. Why do you think mail in ballots are the end all and be all?

    Nowhere near as problematic that Trump put one of his biggest donors/cronies with no relevant experience in the office of Postmaster General who promptly proceeded to make major cuts causing huge delays. Mail-in voting is much harder to suppress if the postal service is running efficiently.
    Addressed previously, it's an appointment every President makes. Trump's Presidency doesn't suddenly make it suspect until the DNC mobilizes it's mainstream media apparatus to shine a light on it and suddenly NPC/low information voters are hearing about the Postmaster General office for the first time. Mail in voting is the easiest possible method of voting to suppress.

    As an side note, using Vox and Esquire opinion pieces as sources?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    You said Trump's appointee "gutted" USPS but neither of your sources proved that USPS was, in fact, "gutted". Partisan statements made by party brass are not evidence in themselves, even if you support the party in question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pontifex Maximus View Post
    No, because this position has been a political appointment (spoils appointment really) since the inception of the Republic.
    addressed previously, it's an appointment every President makes. Trump's Presidency doesn't suddenly make it suspect until the DNC mobilizes it's mainstream media apparatus to shine a light on it and suddenly NPC/low information voters are hearing about the Postmaster General office for the first time.
    It's suspect when said postmaster begins sabotaging the post office so it's harder for people who don't want to vote in person during a pandemic to do so.

    1. What attacks on the postal service?
    The kind where they cut funding and it results in chaos.

    It's said in one of the articles you posted

    when an overwhelming majority of voters are afraid to physically head to the polls.
    3. The fact the dems would do whatever they need to do to regain power? No surprise at all.
    I mean, Trump wanted to delay elections, and repeatedly claims (without evidence) mail in voting increases voter fraud and is attacking the postal service, but sure, it's the Dems doing whatever they can for power.



    Addressed above, most people are a bit squeamish about showing up for in person voting during a pandemic. Maybe not the Trump supporters/Karens who think coronavirus is a hoax, but for those who aren't cultists, it's kind of an issue.

    You've given examples of the USPS being overwhelmed with the amount of votes coming in. Now ask yourself why would the Trump administration want to kneecap the USPS and make it even harder for them to process the votes?

    As an side note, using Vox and Esquire opinion pieces as sources?
    He says as he cites Fox News in the same post
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    Ahahaha, I'm not surprised, this is the vanguard of the dummy democrat argument.
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    If that makes you feel better
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    Still no explanation on how did Trump "gut" USPS. Sounds quite similar to "voter suppression" hoax that was made up by Democrats earlier, when they lied that Trump prevented minorities from voting by... ID being required to vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irontaino View Post
    If that makes you feel better
    No topical response, so conceded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pontifex Maximus View Post
    No topical response, so conceded.
    Ah yes, because your previous post:
    Quote Originally Posted by Pontifex Maximus View Post
    Ahahaha, I'm not surprised, this is the vanguard of the dummy democrat argument.
    Actually addressed or refuted anything in my post. But sure, whatever makes you happy .
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    So which one of you conceded first?
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    Still waiting on coherent explanation of how exactly did Trump "gut" USPS. Need something tangible, not just Pelosi and Schumer spouting "orange man bad" mantra.

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    Judge halts Trump campaign's mail-voting lawsuit against Pennsylvania

    A federal judge in Pennsylvania on Sunday halted the Trump campaign’s lawsuit against the state over how it sends and counts mail-in ballots.

    Nicholas Ranjan of the U.S. District Court in the Western District of Pennsylvania, who was appointed by President Trump, ruled Sunday that Trump’s lawsuit against the secretary of state and 67 county election boards should be put on hold while state court cases about voting move forward, CNN reported.

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    Default Re: During Calls for Increased Mail-in Voting, New U.S. Postmaster General Decreases Post Office Activity

    Quote Originally Posted by Pontifex Maximus View Post
    What has Trump done to gut the postal service? And you see no issues whatsoever with that union endorsing Biden while the demkcrats simultaneoulsy call for universal mail in voting? That doesn't strike you as potentially problematic at all?
    Well, you could always read the thread. If you click blue words like these ones in it, you can find news articles that describe what people are saying, like a source of evidence of some kind. Now, I happened to know quite a bit about the very first post in this thread, and it has lots of little blue words that you can click on to read more about what's going in the Post Office.

    Other people have provided their own little blue words to show that the federal government is trying to make the Post Office less efficient, which will cause fewer mail-in ballots to be counted. Most states require mail-in ballots to be received by election officials by election day, so a Post Office that is working an unknown number of days slower can cause a number of votes to be delivered too late to count. Due to COVID, there are a lot of people who want to vote by mail, but are inexperienced at it, exasperating the issue even further.

    Someone else already brought up the union leader's endorsement in the first page of the thread that you seem unfamiliar with. The GOP presidential candidate doesn't seem to care whether the Post Office exists or not, so who do you expect the USPS union to endorse? You know, some people can put their personal opinions aside and do their job for the greater good. Or is there not a single conservative on this website who gets that? In this case, preserving and protecting democracy is a greater good than getting your preferred candidate staying in office.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pontifex Maximus View Post
    No, because this position has been a political appointment (spoils appointment really) since the inception of the Republic.
    What, and that's a good thing?

    You're wrong anyway. Other than a string of Reagan-era appointments, most Postmaster Generals have been career postal workers since the 1970s.
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    Democrats: "cutting budget for USPS is bad, because we planned to use it to cheat in the election and now can't and having our senile candidate run against trump is scary."

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacifism View Post
    Someone else already brought up the union leader's endorsement in the first page of the thread that you seem unfamiliar with. The GOP presidential candidate doesn't seem to care whether the Post Office exists or not, so who do you expect the USPS union to endorse? You know, some people can put their personal opinions aside and do their job for the greater good. Or is there not a single conservative on this website who gets that? In this case, preserving and protecting democracy is a greater good than getting your preferred candidate staying in office.
    The postal union endorsement is no better and no worse than any other union endorsement.

    What? Do they think postal workers are opening ballot envelopes by steaming them and throwing Trump votes out? The time it would take to do this, on top of their current slowdown aside... That's a pretty tall claim that would require some pretty tall evidence. All the postal workers are doing is delivering the mail-ballots to the district offices.

    Election fraud aside, tampering with the mail would be its own federal crime. Have a blast!

    I have to think there are easier ways to steal the election. If a union endorsement inspires conspiracy theories, let's run with the police union. You know, that time the Republican Party itself literally hired the National Ballot Security Task Force in 1981 made up of local police and sheriffs deputies in New Jersey Voting Districts and got put on a consent agreement for it until 2018. You know. History. And then the NYPD union endorses Trump, amirite?
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