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    This 1619 Project is openly counterfactual and revisionist; a fact known across the political spectrum. It’s being taught to kids with official public sanction, much like the Smithsonian’s attempt to repurpose and normalize race realist talking points. There is certainly more than nothing wrong with that, whether or not one agrees with its falsehoods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    You aren't challenging the "dominant culture". You're part of it.
    Indeed I am part of a 'dominant white culture', though definitely, and thankfully, not the American version of it. I'm not the one challenging anything, but at least I'm open to the arguments of those who do. It is unfortunate such an attitude seems to have become completey marginalized in American politics. I'm more and more left with the impression that if you tell an American that 1 + 1 equals 2, they will agree with you or not based on whether you're in their political corner or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legio_Italica View Post
    This 1619 Project is openly counterfactual and revisionist; a fact known across the political spectrum.
    Revisionist, not counterfactual.

    It’s being taught to kids with official public sanction, much like the Smithsonian’s attempt to repurpose and normalize race realist talking points. There is certainly more than nothing wrong with that, whether or not one agrees with its falsehoods.
    It's inappropriate because it's not a scholarly work, not because of its content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Love Mountain View Post
    Revisionist, not counterfactual.

    It's inappropriate because it's not a scholarly work, not because of its content.
    It is counterfactual and revisionist, as has been well documented at this point. You can move the goalposts wherever you like in response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legio_Italica View Post
    It is counterfactual and revisionist, as has been well documented at this point. You can move the goalposts wherever you like in response.
    False. The article you posted in another thread has been addressed and replied to. Furthermore, your posts suggest that history doesn't have a significant component of interpretation to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Love Mountain View Post
    False. The article you posted in another thread has been addressed and replied to. Furthermore, your posts suggest that history doesn't have a significant component of interpretation to it.
    You may choose to lie of course, but public information is public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legio_Italica View Post
    You may choose to lie of course, but public information is public.
    It is indeed public. You posted an article critiquing the 1619 Project. I posted the Editor's reply to that criticism that referenced the historical information the Project based their statements on. All of these things are public, the fact that the articles were posted on the Forum, the information in the article themselves, and the hyperbolic accusations that the 1619 project is counterfactual. People can read everything and draw their own conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Love Mountain View Post
    It is indeed public. You posted an article critiquing the 1619 Project. I posted the Editor's reply to that criticism that referenced the historical information the Project based their statements on. All of these things are public, the fact that the articles were posted on the Forum, the information in the article themselves, and the hyperbolic accusations that the 1619 project is counterfactual. People can read everything and draw their own conclusion.
    Yes indeed people can. Meanwhile I’ll continue to highlight your lies and gaslighting wherever you persist in spreading them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legio_Italica View Post
    Yes indeed people can. Meanwhile I’ll continue to highlight your lies and gaslighting wherever you persist in spreading them.
    I see. People can make up their own mind, but unless they draw the same conclusion as you they're liars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muizer View Post
    I see. People can make up their own mind, but unless they draw the same conclusion as you they're liars.
    Nah. Documented false assertions are counterfactual. That’s a fact.

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    The narrative morphs as needed to avoid the facts. “The 1619 project historical narrative is counterfactual and revisionist.” > “Well it’s not history, it’s just a story.” It’s the recurring theme common to Jones’ yellow journalism or the racist Smithsonian web series on “white culture.” Drop a pile of lies. Let it percolate. Gauge the reaction. Readjust. Rinse and repeat. When Trump does it, he’s a threat to mankind. When NYT does it, they turn the lies into a curriculum. Imagine a whole curriculum called “Little Orange Book” of curated Trumpisms

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    Quote Originally Posted by Love Mountain View Post
    It is indeed public. You posted an article critiquing the 1619 Project. I posted the Editor's reply to that criticism that referenced the historical information the Project based their statements on. All of these things are public, the fact that the articles were posted on the Forum, the information in the article themselves, and the hyperbolic accusations that the 1619 project is counterfactual. People can read everything and draw their own conclusion.
    Well, the 1619 is fundamentally racist and contrafactual. It implies the African contributionn isnthe most important contribution to Americsn society, more important than any other, which is contrafactual.

    1. The predominate language of the US is not of African origin

    2. The majority or largest minority of the population is not of African origin, nor was it in the US nor was it at any time.

    3. The legal system in the US was not of African origin

    4. The ships that transported the people to the Americas were not of African design nor build.

    5. The countries that founded the colonies in the Americas were not Africa.

    6. The first non native settlements in the US were not built by Africans nor were they named by blacks.


    So how can 1619 be the most important date in US history? 1619 claims that the bringing of a handfull of black slaves was more important than the earlier founding of English settlements in America which is why the slaves were brought there innthe firsr place, and that is not just revisionist, but contrafactual.


    In neither numbers or influence on US culture and society, Africa has not been the greatest. It is racist to assert that black contributions were more important than any other group, so much so that US history didn't begin until they arrived, which is what 1619 is claiming. It isn't true and it is contractual.

    Jamestown was already established, and it was because English had already establisued settlements, which is why the slaves were brought there in the first place. The slaves were not dumped off in an empty wilderness. Why not start America from the founding of St. Augustine Florida or the Spanish settlments in the West of the US, which have far more justification than the date of 1619 which is just racially motivated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legio_Italica View Post
    Yes indeed people can. Meanwhile I’ll continue to highlight your lies and gaslighting wherever you persist in spreading them.
    Yes indeed people can. Meanwhile I’ll continue to highlight your lies and gaslighting wherever you persist in spreading them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Love Mountain View Post
    It is indeed public. You posted an article critiquing the 1619 Project. I posted the Editor's reply to that criticism that referenced the historical information the Project based their statements on. All of these things are public, the fact that the articles were posted on the Forum, the information in the article themselves, and the hyperbolic accusations that the 1619 project is counterfactual. People can read everything and draw their own conclusion.
    When even the creators of 1619 admit it is not history, I think we can safely accept it is counterfactual and dismiss it as history https://thespectator.info/2020/07/27...e-twitchy-com/ https://www.redstate.com/joesquire/2...t-not-history/ Even its creators don't try pretend it is factual, it is just a story (narrative)
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