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    Hello!

    DeI team proudly presents last preview before next big update gets released!

    While we dont have new factional overhaul...we added and changed a lot of other stuff for variety of factions and cultures, from new to updated units.

    Here is a full list and some details:

    SPARTA

    1. Trophimoi (New unit)

    These soldiers are a guests of Sparta, sons on wealthy perioikoi and noble families from whole Hellas. They were taught by Spartans, took part in their campaigns and at the end of their education could even remian in Sparta and be granted citizenship.

    Unique feature: due to low numbers of students and their foreign background, this unit draws 4th pop class and takes 3 turns to be recruited.

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    2. Neodamodes (New unit)
    Freed helots that either bought or were granted their freedom for military service. They were able afford or loot equipment and were trained to fight in phalanx.

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    3. Nedamodes Phalangitai (New unit)
    Created out of necessity by Cleomenes III, these helots bought their freedom for 5 attic minas and were later armed and trained to fight in Macedonian fashion. They numbered 2000.
    Unique feature: Due to being armed by state, these units gets 50% cost increase while drawing from 3rd popclass. They are not equal in combat to other regular pike units but provide perfect ad hoc troops if player has population issue while having enough money in treasury, which was exact problem that Cleomenes faced.
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    ROXOLANI
    1. Late Sarmatian Cataphracts (New unit)
    These Cataphracts are heavily armoured and deadly in combat. They represent later staged of Nomadic cavalry.
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    PARTHIA
    1. Camel Cataphracts (New unit)
    Camel Grivpanvar are a bit troublesome units. While we do have text evidence of them, there are no details how they were equipped and there are no preserved camel armours. Grivpanvar might meant that at least rider was heavily armoured but not sure about mount. In order get somewhat accurate version of them, only 1/3 of camels have armoured. In sources they were described as using javelins.
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    2. Dahae Noble Cavalry (Overhauled unit)
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    3. Early Parthian Cataphracts (Overhauled unit)
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    4. Noble Cataphracts (Overhauled unit)
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    5. Late Cataphracts (Overhauled unit)
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    6. Cataphract Horse Archers (Overhauled unit)
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    DIADOCHI Area of Recruitment
    1. Galatian Heavy Infantry (New unit)
    Unique feature: These Galatians are unique unit for Macedon, Seleucids and Egypt. They can be recruited in Ancyra after thorax reform.
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    AREA OF RECRUITMENT & MERCENARY UNITS
    1. Mercenary Cretan Infantry (New unit)
    Hardy mercenary Infantry from Crete, they perform as early shock troops for Hellenic factions. While they can deal a lot of damage, they will fare poorly when under heavy missile fire or against cavalry.
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    2. Syrian Elephant (Overhauled unit)
    Syrians have received a bit more armour but their recruitment got limited to Antioch and their recruitable numbers are much smaller.
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    3. Campanian Cavalry (Overhauled unit)
    Unit was remade to better show their elite status and historical sources. They are elite skirmisher cavalry, some soldiers carry shields while others prefer to hold more javelins. Horses, while mostly unarmoured, are wearing some armour.
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    RHODOS
    1. Rhodian Ekdromoi (Overhauled unit)
    Light Rhodian hoplites are unique unit due to ability to use slings before melee. They are based on Rhodian hoplites serving also as slingers during Anabasis.
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    NABATEA
    1. Nabatean Noble Camels (New unit)
    Armies of Nabatea used large amounts of camels, often made only of them. They fought as javeliners that could run down enemies if needed. At one point Nabatean camel army even annihilated Hellenic force of combined infantry and cavalry that was supposed to subjugate them. This unit is made of more wealthy citizens that are able to afford better equipment.
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    SELEUCIDS
    1. Hellenic Cataphracts (Overhauled unit)
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    2. Late Companion Cavalry
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    ROME
    1. Early Equites (Overhauled unit)
    Early Equites are now more lightly armoured to better match historical sources.
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    EGYPT
    1. Ptolemaic Thorakitai (Overhauled unit)
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    HELLENIC OFFICERS & STANDARD BEARERS
    Below are just few examples as their variety is much larger!
    1. Macedonian Officer
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    2. Ptolemaic Officer
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    3. Late Seleucid Officer
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    4. Spartan Officer

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    5. Standard Bearer
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    Credits:
    Celticus - new longer kopis model and upgraded texture of conical Parthian helmet
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    Good job, looking forward to next update. I have one question, is it intended to return expert charge defence for the Roman soldiers? Or maybe buff Evocati morale a bit, it is very low compare to for example spartan elite units.

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    Thanks for all the hard work Kam!

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    Default Re: [PREVIEW] New and Overhauled Units

    Quote Originally Posted by Roma Invicta753 View Post
    Good job, looking forward to next update. I have one question, is it intended to return expert charge defence for the Roman soldiers? Or maybe buff Evocati morale a bit, it is very low compare to for example spartan elite units.
    I am more likely to remove expert charge defence from the game fully. Effect is just broken as it works on all directions and even if unit is moving. What it does is that it reflects charge bonus back into attacking unit, which is why people sometimes see cavalry getting killed when chasing routing spearmen. I was able to create and effect that is based on unit mass and it increases unit defence vs charge when braced but does not work from back or when units is moving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KAM 2150 View Post
    I am more likely to remove expert charge defence from the game fully. Effect is just broken as it works on all directions and even if unit is moving. What it does is that it reflects charge bonus back into attacking unit, which is why people sometimes see cavalry getting killed when chasing routing spearmen. I was able to create and effect that is based on unit mass and it increases unit defence vs charge when braced but does not work from back or when units is moving.
    Alright, I see. What about Evocati buff itself, or in general about Roman units stats, in the future will there be anything new about them?

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    Default Re: [PREVIEW] New and Overhauled Units

    Not at the moment, they are considered already pretty OP by many but I might buff Evocati a bit since they are limited anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KAM 2150 View Post
    Not at the moment, they are considered already pretty OP by many but I might buff Evocati a bit since they are limited anyway.
    You could remove Evocata Germanica from the game and increase number of regular Evocati.

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    Loving it! Looking forward to use the Rhodian guys especially in MPC to see the face of my opponent when my hoplites start firing with slings

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    Looking great, especially loving the inspiration of the Anabasis for the Rhodians. I've always thought a unit like this would be fun.

    Can't wait for the update!

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    How do I see the screenshots on the new forum interface? No matter how many times I press the Show button it doesn't reveal them, I must see the beautiful armored camels I've desired for so long !

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    Try an alternate browser

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    Yes, TWC sometimes glitches and you might need to clear your cache. On phone going to "PC view" helps, on actual PC you might just switch browser if you dont want to clear cache or anything like that. I use Opera just for TWC xD
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    Fantastic update.
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    Looks good... I might even have to abandon my Warhammer 2 campaign when it comes out...

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    So many great additions. I especially like those early equites and Hellenic officers.

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    Guys! Why so much energy? This is great! Congratulations!

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    Can Saba also get the Noble camel? or perhaps a more 2nd class pop one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KAM 2150 View Post
    Yes, TWC sometimes glitches and you might need to clear your cache. On phone going to "PC view" helps, on actual PC you might just switch browser if you dont want to clear cache or anything like that. I use Opera just for TWC xD
    Yes thank you, clearing the cache fixed it. I was stuck in some forum safe mode or something, it looked like TWC was an entirely different site that had just leaped out of the year 2005. The new units look far better than the pictures I had to form in my head, and I'm so glad to finally be able to go on the prowl with some metal camels.

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    Thanks for all the hard work, these units look great. Playing the Alexander campaign for the first time and it's great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollingWave View Post
    Can Saba also get the Noble camel? or perhaps a more 2nd class pop one?
    I tried to dig into Saba a bit more but it seems they did not make much use of camels. I overall tried to find some mentions of more elite camel corps as an excuse to add neatly armoured camels but there are none.
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