The Decline Of The United States of America

[Exarch]

China is known for being subjugated by dynasts. That and rolling over that guy with the tank in the Tittiesmens Square. Making all the junk the US needs to spend its immense wealth on too. China is a third world country.

What does it say about the United states when it is evidently being bested by a third world country?

Your article shows exactly why the US had to ban Huawei phones. That information-gathering capability puts the privacy of private American citizens and government officials at risk. Western phone companies aren't much better in terms of privacy, but it's not the same sort of insanity the Chinese government has gotten into.

Negative, it shows that the USG is unable to hack into Huawei's encryption and is aware that Huawei comms. enable NSA hack proof communication; that's why Huawei has contracts in Russia and Iran. There has been no evidence provided by the NSA/USG except hearsay and innuendo; if there was concrete evidence they would've trumpeted it across the world by yesterday. Since they haven't, and rather, relying on innuendo and downright cold war fear mongering, it can be safely assumed that this is simply transference given the level of anglo level spying on its allies.
This, from only a week ago!


If anything, this shows the decline of the US, and most damningly, the lack of confidence in the white american people. white americans evidently know they can't compete intellectually and innovatively against the Chinese, thus they resort to violence and mafia tactics in an effort to maintain hegemony. Snowden's revelations revealed the extent of US hacking.

America was built in part on genocide, but I think our country has moved on considerably from the days of the Indian Wars and most Americans now recognize that we were guilty. There is still much to done in order to improve the quality of life on many reservations around the country, of course. Conversely, the US has turned to stopping genocides: for example, we bombed Belgrade to get the Serbs out of Bosnia-Herzegovina.

America remains an apartheid white supremacist state; the sheer fact that the US elites have become psychotically, jealously obsessed over China compared to the Soviets proves the racialised nature of their anxiety.

As far as Poland and Hungary are concerned: naturally authoritarian, illiberal governments will be more likely to partner with fellow authoritarians. Orban is one of the most corrupt leaders in Europe, probably second only to Berlusconi and Lukashenko. Privatization and market integration may have been poorly executed in the former-Warsaw Pact, but I think that these countries are trading the meddlesome neighbor they know for the tyrant they don't. Once China's dominance is confidently secured, they'll turn to squeezing these countries for all they got. They're already milking Africa, all to those countries' detriments.

Poland is actually a very pro-US nation and yet still maintains close trade links with China because China is ambivalent when it comes regional rivalries/ideology. It's how China can become both Israel and the Arab world's trade and tech partner.

Effectively, we have seen with the recent bills in the US targeting China, that the USA has lost confidence in its own ideology of free markets; they have decided to opt for radicalised apartheid. The US is effectively doing what the soviets were doing in pulling down an iron curtain in the desperate hopes that they can maintain their own hegemony, in the same way a jealous middle schooler tries to stop Becky from talking to the fit, hunky Chinese jock.

What history of revolution? China has been one of the most stable political entities in history, with dynasties only changing every two or three centuries, if that. The reverence for 1911 and 1949 are cultivated only to serve as the background to the CCP's narrative on why they belong in power. And the Chinese will not be revolting any time soon: they can't, because they live in a security state where all people are subject to intense surveillance and forced to live under a social credit system that acts as a societal shock collar.

This is where you're confusing Chinese dynasties with Chinese civilisation; the fall of the holy roman empire to Napoleon didn't mean the end of western civilisation and similarly, the Chinese people revolted when the Centre proved incapable of effective governance. The fall of the Han Dynasty into the Three kingdoms still maintained an identity of those under Heaven and the CCP maintains its legitimacy with consistently high approval ratings, performance and results.

The American people are evidently ok with even more stringent surveillance and social credit more so than the Chinese (btw China's crackdown on alibaba's social credit system and Ant Capital is not something you would observe in the US where corporatists would simply pay off the senate commission). The fact that Snowden's revelations resulted in a meh from the american people proves not only the severe lack of freedom in the american people but dare i say it, a lack of will to fight for their freedoms. Would you not define this as a decline in the moral character of the general public?

Have a look at all those who are now on No Fly Lists because of the Jan. 6th uprising; it appears China is more of a Foil for white people to transfer all their prejudices, insecurities and fears onto, as opposed to sensibly resolving their own private issues.

And the CCP doesn't tolerate billionaires who go against the wishes of the government. Jack Ma, for example, was left alone until he began spouting off against the Chinese government, and then he was drawn and quartered on the public square as an example for the rest. Authoritarian governments tend to work with oligarchs until those oligarchs verge from the good graces of the government, and the state then draws up corruption charges that they had been saving for a rainy day.

No, Jack Ma was disciplined because he was compromised for being involved with the US elites, particularly those whom americans would call the "illuminati". Ant Capital's IPO would have allowed US elites access to the market data of 1.4bln Chinese.
No government, no patriotic government that is, would allow a foreign nation that level of intrusion into its own people, hence why China mandates Tesla to build its data servers in China, so that chinese data belongs to China and not to someone like the Zuck who wants to sell your data to ad companies.

In China, billionaires are just private citizens who are expected to contribute more to society since they have reaped the most riches from society; in America, billionaires are the feudal lords who expect the american people to subsidise their failed businesses eg walmart not paying its workers enough, requiring walmart workers to get social benefits, or Amazon's Bezos and his taking of USG money.

and if those billionaires step out of line, imperilling the nation, of course they should be executed.

In China, people like this would have been executed by now:

[Lord Thesaurian]

There are fit, hunky, Chinese jocks?

Also, income inequality is worse (and worsening) in China than the US

[Exarch]

There are fit, hunky, Chinese jocks?

lol triggered much?

Also, income inequality is worse (and worsening) in China than the US

Incorrect.
China eliminated poverty last year, whereas more americans resigned themselves to the dole queue due to COVID and are set to become homeless once the eviction moratorium ends.

[Lord Thesaurian]

lol triggered much?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Incorrect.
China eliminated poverty last year, whereas more americans resigned themselves to the dole queue due to COVID and are set to become homeless once the eviction moratorium ends.

Old news, in fact.

Income inequality has been rising rapidly in China and now surpasses that of the U.S. by a large margin, say University of Michigan researchers.

That is the key finding of their study based on newly available survey data collected by several Chinese universities.

“Income inequality in today’s China is among the highest in the world, especially in comparison to countries with comparable or higher standards of living,” said University of Michigan sociologist Yu Xie.
Xie, a researcher with the U-M Institute for Social Research, is co-author with U-M graduate student Xiang Zhou of an article published online this week in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

https://news.umich.edu/income-inequa...na-than-in-us/

According to the official data (which do not provide micro information that can be independently verified), China’s Gini coefficient (a measure of inequality that ranges from 0 to 1) is around 0.47. By comparison, that of the United States is around 0.41. Chinese leaders have insisted a number of times that inequality above 0.40 is potentially destabilizing.

For example, in 2019, the income ratio between the three richest and the three poorest provinces was 4 to 1. The cities of Beijing and Shanghai are legally counted as provinces—but even eliminating them from the calculus, the ratio remains 3.5 to 1. The equivalent ratio between rich and poor states in the United States is less than 2 to 1.

China’s inequality, like that of many countries, is not only structural but political. Corruption, which is most lucrative for those already in proximity to large amounts of money for embezzling, and membership in the Chinese Communist Party, which can secure very high incomes, also drive it.

In other words, the CCP still draws a majority of its members from the “old” social groups, but its richest members largely come from the “new” social classes. They are increasingly pulling away from the rest of the party. And for these elite members, CCP membership seems to be particularly lucrative: after controlling for all relevant variables, we have found that CCP membership is associated with a statistically significant income gain only for those with large private-sector holdings.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...t-stark-choice

[conon394]

Incorrect.
China eliminated poverty last year, whereas more americans resigned themselves to the dole queue due to COVID and are set to become homeless once the eviction moratorium ends.

You know Exarch its easy to do that when set the bar low. If the US poverty per individual was only China's 345 dollars (a year) it be hard to find even a panhandler in the US who could not meet that requirement. I know actual data is not your thing but try applying the US threshold for a three person household of ~19,000 dollars to China and tell me the number is zero in China.

[Exarch]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Old news, in fact.

When you were googling "china income inequality", why did you fail to pull up this more recent article, as opposed to the first one from 2014 (?!)

But the increase has not affected all Chinese equally. Income and wealth inequality has grown. The richest 10% own an increasing share of China's total wealth and the share held by the bottom 50% own less. The U.S. was and remains more unequal in wealth distribution than China, though the gap between the two countries is narrowing.

Source: https://china.usc.edu/wealth-inequality-us-and-china

Considering also, that China started from a lower baseline, is a developing country, and ensures social safety nets for its citizens whilst the United States adopts a feudal apartheid approach to basic needs (Flint, Michigan and un-drinkable water), and considering also the sense of desperation in many american cities, is it any wonder that the United States on the verge of decline and collapse?

Even US leaders know that they are in decline and growing weaker compared to China: did you know, the USG just banned downloading TikTok onto government devices? Thats the level of inane insecurity exhibited by america's leaders. If the Chinese government can use Microsoft OS and android tech, it's remarkable that the anti science US politicians wouldn't understand Chinese tech.

America's kids though? They love tiktok, can't get enough of Chinese tech. American kids were even avidly following Chinese trends:

[Gaidin]

The FBI under J Edgar Hoover was instrumental in destroying the Black Panthers as a major figurehead for black splittism; america's divisions today may be enough to result in balkanisation especially given open death squads murdering citizens of different races.

Your history knowledge is lacking. Go back further.

[Lord Thesaurian]

When you were googling "china income inequality", why did you fail to pull up this more recent article, as opposed to the first one from 2014 (?!)

The first citation was for context. The second is from this year. The USC data is from white supremacist, anglo globalist liberal elite sources. The data both my citations used is based, ethnically homogeneous, pure, chad Chinese data.

[antaeus]

America's kids though? They love tiktok, can't get enough of Chinese tech. American kids were even avidly following Chinese trends:

So is the faux fur Louis Vuitton tracksuit that Chinese trend you reference? Or the Stussy tee? Or the Burberry shirt? Or the Nike Air Jordan (American basketball Icon) tank top?

Or perhaps it is the American basketball references... or American skateboard culture references...

Or is it the Korean soundtrack or American broadcast platform used to highlight these fashion trends?

The irony is that your bigoted attempt at highlighting a single country's fashion supremacy, has inadvertently advertised how global fashion is, and how much influence we all share. Certainly fashion trends start in, and spread from China, but inspiration goes both ways.

[enoch]

Isn’t China the place where if you hit a toddler or old lady with a car you run over them again until they are dead to avoid paying for their recovery?

Social Safety Nets LEL

[Exarch]

Your history knowledge is lacking. Go back further.

Do you deny J Edgar Hoover and the FBI destroyed the black civil rights movement?

A genuine people's movement for justice was crushed because of racist oligarchs. It is to be expected that such an unjust government and social order would collapse in on itself.

So is the faux fur Louis Vuitton tracksuit that Chinese trend you reference? Or the Stussy tee? Or the Burberry shirt? Or the Nike Air Jordan (American basketball Icon) tank top?

Or perhaps it is the American basketball references... or American skateboard culture references...

Or is it the Korean soundtrack or American broadcast platform used to highlight these fashion trends?

The irony is that your bigoted attempt at highlighting a single country's fashion supremacy, has inadvertently advertised how global fashion is, and how much influence we all share. Certainly fashion trends start in, and spread from China, but inspiration goes both ways.

You must have missed all the white american girls fawning and drooling over the Chinese street fashion and using Chinese technology TikTok to express themselves. For the white supremacists in the US elite, this is anathema.

Anglo dominated america has lost so much confidence in its own ability to innovate that they USG and its oligarchs tried to steal tiktok last year. In fact, the Zuck tried to steal tiktok and copy it with Reels in Instagram. Needless to say, instagram thottery is also indicative of american decline in the declining social mores of this time.

[antaeus]

You must have missed all the white american girls fawning and drooling over the Chinese street fashion and using Chinese technology TikTok to express themselves. For the white supremacists in the US elite, this is anathema.

Um... who cares?

Most of those people in the video you presented are inspired by fashion trends in France, The US, The UK, or wherever. They have mixed it up in their own way, and have in turn inspired others.

Your weak attempts to link this to nationalism, or to frame it as evidence of cultural decline in the cultures that have inspired these trends suggests insecurity not confidence. Those people don't care whether their Louis Vuitton tracksuit is designed in Paris or Shanghai. Neither do the people who they in turn inspired.

Weak.

[EmperorBatman999]

Ah yes, RT, very reliable sources, definitely not Kremlin propaganda!

In what timeline are we in to say that the Civil Rights Movement failed? We have made tremendous strides since the passing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. There are still some lingering feelings of racism across society, largely due to the feeling, as you note in fact, but in a different context, that certain statuses and privileges are being redistributed away from whites to be given to others, but Americans recognize that and are working through it. And the xenophobia towards China, and calling it an "Apartheid"? No, not really: Americans tend view the cultures of the Japanese, Koreans, and Taiwanese (who are mostly fellow Han Chinese to the mainland) positively. The hostility against the PRC mirrors America's hostility towards the Soviet Union, and the USSR is typically recognized to be a European civilization. And disliking a foreign country is not an Apartheid, which is an internal political system aimed at dividing the state between ethnic or racial groups to favor one group over the other. Disliking China is an outward concern, and is based on political grounds.

No government, no patriotic government that is, would allow a foreign nation that level of intrusion into its own people, hence why China mandates Tesla to build its data servers in China, so that chinese data belongs to China and not to someone like the Zuck who wants to sell your data to ad companies.

This is exactly what the legislation and economic actions against Chinese tech have been aiming to do. So it's ok if Beijing does it, but America is a big bad racist Apartheid state for wanting the same protections for its own citizens?

[enoch]

You must have missed all the white american girls fawning and drooling over the Chinese street fashion and using Chinese technology TikTok to express themselves.

Chinese technology being TikTok sounds about right. Chinese street fashion is whatever they did in LA and NYC 5 years earlier so...

[Gaidin]

Do you deny J Edgar Hoover and the FBI destroyed the black civil rights movement?

A genuine people's movement for justice was crushed because of racist oligarchs. It is to be expected that such an unjust government and social order would collapse in on itself.

I neither deny nor agree with anything you say. I'm just saying you're a hundred years ahead of the historic events I'm referencing.

If you really think we can't deal with division amongst both our leaders and our people you really don't know much about this country.

[Exarch]

Your weak attempts to link this to nationalism, or to frame it as evidence of cultural decline in the cultures that have inspired these trends suggests insecurity not confidence. Those people don't care whether their Louis Vuitton tracksuit is designed in Paris or Shanghai. Neither do the people who they in turn inspired.

Weak.

Why would americans care enough to try to steal a Chinese technology company? Why do they have such low confidence in the superiority of the western free market system? Why do they have such low confidence in the innate genetic intelligence of anglo white ability to innovate?

American tech companies are simply unable to compete fairly with Huawei, because they are simply backdoors for the NSA to listen in on anything (PRISM) so the US President has been relegated to junior sales agent for the american oligarchs.

One thing's for sure, Caesar would never have been caught dead selling olive oil on the streets of Rome but we have at least 1 sitting US President shilling beans.

Ah yes, RT, very reliable sources, definitely not Kremlin propaganda!

In what timeline are we in to say that the Civil Rights Movement failed? We have made tremendous strides since the passing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. There are still some lingering feelings of racism across society, largely due to the feeling, as you note in fact, but in a different context, that certain statuses and privileges are being redistributed away from whites to be given to others, but Americans recognize that and are working through it. And the xenophobia towards China, and calling it an "Apartheid"? No, not really: Americans tend view the cultures of the Japanese, Koreans, and Taiwanese (who are mostly fellow Han Chinese to the mainland) positively. The hostility against the PRC mirrors America's hostility towards the Soviet Union, and the USSR is typically recognized to be a European civilization. And disliking a foreign country is not an Apartheid, which is an internal political system aimed at dividing the state between ethnic or racial groups to favor one group over the other. Disliking China is an outward concern, and is based on political grounds.


This is exactly what the legislation and economic actions against Chinese tech have been aiming to do. So it's ok if Beijing does it, but America is a big bad racist Apartheid state for wanting the same protections for its own citizens?

Incorrect. It appears you are a victim of american propaganda.

China has allowed Microsoft and Apple to pursue their business without harassment; unfortunately the same cannot be said for Huawei in America because anglo america can't compete against China, and incites its citizens to attack all Asians in pogroms and race attacks, not unlike germans attacking jews in 30s Germany.

And what exactly has been achieved since the Civil Rights Movement? African Americans are still being murdered disproportionately by government funded death squads, the most pivotal being St George Floyd who became a martyr for the rising religion of BLM. In fact, BLM threatens to tear apart the US much as early christianity tore apart the Empire.

Secondly, the feudal nature of the United States results in american oligarchs attempting to push american citizens into becoming peons and serfs:

If You Sell a House These Days, the Buyer Might Be a Pension Fund

Yield-chasing investors are snapping up single-family homes, competing with ordinary Americans and driving up prices

Source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/if-you-...nd-11617544801

Do you see the problem with the US Elites buying up all the houses and driving up the cost of real estate, forcing every young couple to put off raising a family because US hedge fund 1%ers want to go William Randolph Hearst and cosplay a medieval petty lord?

These were the conditions that led to the rise of Caesar.

I neither deny nor agree with anything you say. I'm just saying you're a hundred years ahead of the historic events I'm referencing.

If you really think we can't deal with division amongst both our leaders and our people you really don't know much about this country.

@Gaidin

The conditions that would have allowed for americans and USG to resolve divisions and issues are no longer present in the modern day. Please refer to my previous post on the 4 americas of today. The divisions are deep enough for at least 30% of the nation refusing to acknowledge the current President as their rightful leader.

[Gaidin]

@Gaidin

The conditions that would have allowed for americans and USG to resolve divisions and issues are no longer present in the modern day. Please refer to my previous post on the 4 americas of today. The divisions are deep enough for at least 30% of the nation refusing to acknowledge the current President as their rightful leader.

So what? The 1860's happened when the South could theoretically support itself economically based on the times it was in and no foreign nation acknowledged they existed. And the North blocked it with a navy and steamrolled it with the army in a rather polite fashion with one hand tied behind its back. Let's not get into what the Union could've done if it wanted to play dirty.

If any State or any person that doesn't want to acknowledge Biden wants to try this again in the post-industrial era and thinks that the the US will play nice economically, nevermind let them keep any of the US Military resources on their land... well...that's gonna be... interesting. Keep in god damn mind the most any state has is their own National Guard. If you want to see the US Military and US Intelligence apparatus turned to bear on that(again, with one hand tied behind their backs)...you're in for a god damn shocker on just how short that will be.

And that includes the god damn ego that is Texas.

[Exarch]

So what? The 1860's happened when the South could theoretically support itself economically based on the times it was in and no foreign nation acknowledged they existed. And the North blocked it with a navy and steamrolled it with the army in a rather polite fashion with one hand tied behind its back. Let's not get into what the Union could've done if it wanted to play dirty.

If any State or any person that doesn't want to acknowledge Biden wants to try this again in the post-industrial era and thinks that the the US will play nice economically, nevermind let them keep any of the US Military resources on their land... well...that's gonna be... interesting. Keep in god damn mind the most any state has is their own National Guard. If you want to see the US Military and US Intelligence apparatus turned to bear on that(again, with one hand tied behind their backs)...you're in for a god damn shocker on just how short that will be.

And that includes the god damn ego that is Texas.

The more the USG represses its people, the more their power will slip through their fingers.

Things aint looking so hot now either for breads and circuses cuz there aint no money to be had. Well, there is money to be had for printing but it's causing runaway inflation.
In fact, hyper-inflation is well on its way to the United States:
https://imgur.com/XfvIgPo

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[enoch]

The more the USG represses its people, the more their power will slip through their fingers.

Things aint looking so hot now either for breads and circuses cuz there aint no money to be had. Well, there is money to be had for printing but it's causing runaway inflation.
In fact, hyper-inflation is well on its way to the United States:

Please define hyperinflation so we can use the math and historical precedent and economic data to determine if it is even possible.

Of all the nations that matter on earth it is fair to say the US represses it’s population the least. China would be the top oppressor of its own people.

Freedom to own guns, to access the global internet, free speech, economic freedoms, freedom to not wear a mask or get a vaccine or quarantine during covid, transparent judicial processes, a lack of regulation in comparison to say Europe.

One is hard pressed to find a freer populace in the world entire than the US one. If a lack of freedom leads to decline China would already be toast. The idea that a lack of freedom leads to a declining nation state is a poor argument unless you Believe China Saudi Arabia Turkey etc are in serious decline already.