The Decline Of The United States of America

[Exarch]

Exarch: in 10 years China will own the world, carrier groups off the Hamptons, bases throughout the Americas.

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Why are american policymakers so hysterical as to call for the use of 'tactical nukes' in the event of war with China?

Strikes me as a lack of confidence in the fighting calibre of the rainbow recruitments.

You can't win a debate with a propagandist. It's a futile exercise. All you can do is undermine the propaganda by pointing out it's flaws. You don't actually need to engage more than that...

On the contrary it appears american propaganda makes north korean propaganda look like child's play; the United States is in a permanent state of decline that would be self correcting with a Revolution and Elite overthrow and yet the masses are pacified with easy pornography (hence the rise of inceldom in american boys) and mass prostitution (OnlyFans being the most popular job for young american women). This is evidently Gibbon's moral decline of Rome.

Why would China do something so strategically irrational..

Why would the US Elites discard a working system for their own benefit because of the racist fear of being overtaken by China? Only strontium clad thermonuclear warheads targeted at New England, Connecticut ie the wealthy homes of the US Elites, will make them a little more rational.

Happily, China's DF-series express can also target bunkers in New Zealand for those billionaires wanting to flee to remote areas.

I see you avoided Macro economics in school

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-.../inflation-cpi
The annual inflation rate in the US soared to 4.2% in April of 2021 from 2.6% in March and well above market forecasts of 3.6%. It is the highest reading since September of 2008, amid a surge in demand as the economy reopens, soaring commodity prices, supply constraints. There is also a base effect weighing as the coronavirus pandemic dented economic activity bringing the inflation rate to 0.3% in April 2020. The biggest increases were recorded for gasoline (49.6% vs 22.5% in March), fuel oil (37.3% vs 20.2%) and used cars and trucks (21% vs 9.4%). Inflation also accelerated for shelter (2.1% vs 1.7%) and new vehicles (2% vs 1.5%) and rebounded for apparel (1.9% vs -2.5%), but slowed for medical care services (2.2% vs 2.7%) and food (2.4% vs 3.5%). Meanwhile, compared to March, prices rose 0.8%, the most since 2009 while monthly core consumer inflation increased 0.9%, the most since 1996. source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics


If you the line number you are very much looking mostly at supply side shock particularity oil (remember the weather in Texas) and chips crating a really odd distortion in the auto market. Outside of those what I see is inflation actually getting away from the risk of deflation we have had for a while more or less not a real risk.

edit: although I do think we are clearly looking a bubble in house prices. The Fed should act on that but I doubt any economic model could really have effectively forecast one the aspects of the pandemic the Odd fact that say the top 30% of wage earners would easily slide into zoom work for a year, and thus have a huge pool of saving to blow on say a different or new house and a job that might not be so tethered to here you are anymore. Nor can I imagine anyone had chip shortages and the used car market in their Econometrics. If you want to be a Inflation doom sayer you really need say 3 months of data and granularity to see if inflation is creeping into the sectors not directly impacted by supply shock.

That's a lot of wishful thinking there, the numbers don't lie- hell, the fact the your average american consumer now has to fork out more for less and less at Costco should be your on the ground proof that inflation is here and it aint stopping.




Hell, look at the rise of gold and cryptocurrencies these past few months, money sure as hell aint flowing into US bonds. In fact, given Bidens infrastructure plan there's going to be more money printing > inflation> declining value of USD>money printer go Brrrrrr. 70s style Stagflation is coming to the US

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/mili...ier-plans-more

So not really kinda not liking the cost. Also of course the problem you seem to want to ignore is no decision happens in a vacuum. That kind of power projection might well simply make the US commit to rapidly building say Forrestal type CVs and and maybe handing them off to Japan or the ROK. I don't doubt China wants control of the south China sea but I really don't think it wants a global arms race that get rather expensive.

Minnie Chan

I'll let you in on a secret; no-one in the China defence watching community takes minnie chan seriously. She also said that China wouldn't build more than 3 carriers.

So you really do not understand how MAD works than right where did you get a secondary education at

What does it say about MAD when US policymakers are talking about using tactical nuclear weapons?

It reveals a stark lack of confidence in conventional US fighting abilities and weapons systems. All indicative of decline, much as the Roman military had to stop being an active attacking conquering force and had to rely on 'lead from behind' decentralised limitanei forces.

[enoch]

A few GOP policymakers sniffle about China notably Trump as Pres but not many. You have to go to far right messaging or conspiracy theory and adjacent to find anyone who says China’s military will surpass the US anytime soon. Stuff mostly crazy fools get tricked into shilling.

[Exarch]

A few GOP policymakers sniffle about China notably Trump as Pres but not many. You have to go to far right messaging or conspiracy theory and adjacent to find anyone who says China’s military will surpass the US anytime soon. Stuff mostly crazy fools get tricked into shilling.

There's enough US officials-particularly the natsec bureaucrats- obsessed about China enough for them to try and push for a new Cold War against China, hence why Biden always makes a point about China in evert speech he makes like an obsessed and jealous suitor.

The irony is that china is key to the US maintaining social order and cohesion, without China purchasing US debt, providing a market for the S&P500 the US is now on the road to decline and probably fascism.

for eg, Biden's tax and infrastructure plan is going to run up the US debt; he'd be an idiot not to come to China for infrastructure investment and loans. Sadly, this offends the pride of the US Elite and that's why americans have to suffer needlessly, and instead the US Elite have been going full tilt Goebbels in anti China propaganda. Without China to lend money to the US and invest in the US and instead China offering the world its own Yuan denominated bonds with more competitive interest rates in direct competition with US Treasuries, the clock is running out for the United States:

Chinese yuan will become a top reserve currency sooner than expected, says Ray Dalio

Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/31/ray-...-currency.html

ETH and BTC are up today, more and more americans are shunning the US dollar and going for crypto and gold.

[conon394]

Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/31/ray-...-currency.html

Err yes exited for advice and thoughts for a man from an industry that struggles to beat an SP500 fund in any average year and makes money on the massive management fees his firm charges for the privilege such that even a good year is to the investor nullified even if they trot some front line one year gain better than an SP 500 fund.

Without China to lend money to the US and invest in the US and instead China offering the world its own Yuan denominated bonds with more competitive interest rates in direct competition with US Treasuries, the clock is running out for the United States:

You do realize that will mean China issuing more debt? And seeing as CHina has yet to turn light on about how much state industry or banking owned debt it is moving about or taking on not sure people are going to bite.

What does it say about MAD when US policymakers are talking about using tactical nuclear weapons?

Because the US has since 1950 vacillated about if tactical nuclear weapons could be used in not escalation way in a conventional war. Same as the USSR/Russia. The hanging question has always been the risk of escalation to strategic exchange. Spend some time on Google scholar and I am willing to bet you can find papers for decades from for 1950s onward an argument for reasons why tactical nuclear weapons can and should be used.

In this case why fight a battle with China conventionally over say a invasion of Taiwan if you think you can justify the use of nuclear torpedoes to sink an invasion fleet all quick and brutal like? After all as long as you start using ballistic missiles nobody get get jumpy - right or will want to escalate (except possibly their own tactical nuclear weapons but will wave that away). Its a seductive theory one that has had its supports for a long time.

Also you umm watched the video right. Modest price increases induced by demand and some supply shocks not US federal spending

[Exarch]

Err yes exited for advice and thoughts for a man from an industry that struggles to beat an SP500 fund in any average year and makes money on the massive management fees his firm charges for the privilege such that even a good year is to the investor nullified even if they trot some front line one year gain better than an SP 500 fund.

Really?
Ray Dalio leads the world's largest hedge fund, consistently delivering positive returns whilst you take someone like say...george soros who tried to short HK and China and ended up losing badly.
Hell, rumour had it that when Soros tried to pull his money out of HK after his short attack failed in 2019, there was a mysterious power failure than prevented him from being able to do so. It was like that scene in Oceans 13 where al pacino's character gets locked in the room and can only watch whilst his money gets sucked dry on losing bets.

You do realize that will mean China issuing more debt? And seeing as CHina has yet to turn light on about how much state industry or banking owned debt it is moving about or taking on not sure people are going to bite.

Not gonna matter, China's the only strong source of demand/industry/investment growth in 2021 and the anglo America monied classes know it. Effectively, americas 1% are hedging their bets by putting money into China, and investing in Chinese bonds. This is the exact opposite of the USG's strategy of trying to get factories and money out of China so they could start a war.

Because the US has since 1950 vacillated about if tactical nuclear weapons could be used in not escalation way in a conventional war. Same as the USSR/Russia. The hanging question has always been the risk of escalation to strategic exchange. Spend some time on Google scholar and I am willing to bet you can find papers for decades from for 1950s onward an argument for reasons why tactical nuclear weapons can and should be used.

In this case why fight a battle with China conventionally over say a invasion of Taiwan if you think you can justify the use of nuclear torpedoes to sink an invasion fleet all quick and brutal like? After all as long as you start using ballistic missiles nobody get get jumpy - right or will want to escalate (except possibly their own tactical nuclear weapons but will wave that away). Its a seductive theory one that has had its supports for a long time.

the impression i'm getting is that you have the US elite natsec faction who are pushing for war with China because they still think they're dealing with China of 1995 and then you have those in the US military who have war-gamed these simulations and arrived at the conclusion that they only way for the pentagon to beat China is with a nuclear exchange. Given that any tactical nuclear exchange results in a strategic nuclear response ie MAD, that's out of the question and it's nigh on inevitable that the US will have to withdraw its forces from the asia-pacific sooner or later.

Effectively the US military has lost the edge in the asia-pacific, the entire region knows it; they're basically one Battle of Manzikert style conflict away from everyone realising this fact. China is giving the US a face saving chance to exit the region peacefully.

Also you umm watched the video right. Modest price increases induced by demand and some supply shocks not US federal spending

Negative, CGTN may be more diplomatic given the dry nature of Chinese reporting but the facts remain:

[Sir Adrian]

I would not describe PRC (let's stop hiding around the bush, Taiwan is the real China) as a strong anything. The PRC economy has 2-3 decades of life left in it, because once automation kicks in, the western companies that keep it alive move out and the unemployed will number in the hundreds of millions, that's the end of everything.

You forget that the PRC doesn't actually make anything. All products assembled/fabricated there are western products for the western market. All it takes is a tax-cut for the Beijing Apple factory to move to an automated facility Kentucky, and since those jobs were already exported, the US and the west in general will not suffer from automation job loss either. The US economy right now is deceptively strong. It's the Caesar to PRC's Pompey.

[enoch]

There's enough US officials-particularly the natsec bureaucrats- obsessed about China enough for them to try and push for a new Cold War against China, hence why Biden always makes a point about China in evert speech he makes like an obsessed and jealous suitor.

The irony is that china is key to the US maintaining social order and cohesion, without China purchasing US debt, providing a market for the S&P500 the US is now on the road to decline and probably fascism.

for eg, Biden's tax and infrastructure plan is going to run up the US debt; he'd be an idiot not to come to China for infrastructure investment and loans. Sadly, this offends the pride of the US Elite and that's why americans have to suffer needlessly, and instead the US Elite have been going full tilt Goebbels in anti China propaganda. Without China to lend money to the US and invest in the US and instead China offering the world its own Yuan denominated bonds with more competitive interest rates in direct competition with US Treasuries, the clock is running out for the United States:


Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/31/ray-...-currency.html

ETH and BTC are up today, more and more americans are shunning the US dollar and going for crypto and gold.

I would love to learn more about the sources and arguments that lead you to these beliefs. Even if your statements were true multiple studies show Chinese women, already a minority because of the idiotic failure of the one child policy, prefer white men most, then black men, then Japanese men and very few want a Chinese husband so it’s all moot anyway. China is doomed.

[Exarch]

I would not describe PRC (let's stop hiding around the bush, Taiwan is the real China) as a strong anything. The PRC economy has 2-3 decades of life left in it, because once automation kicks in, the western companies that keep it alive move out and the unemployed will number in the hundreds of millions, that's the end of everything..

Are you referring to the ROC? LOL
The ROC's dead, man; even the taiwanese would agree the Republic of China is dead, which is a damn shame considering Sun Yat Sen had some great ideas with the Three Principles of the People, but it had to die for China to become free.

You forget that the PRC doesn't actually make anything. All products assembled/fabricated there are western products for the western market. All it takes is a tax-cut for the Beijing Apple factory to move to an automated facility Kentucky, and since those jobs were already exported, the US and the west in general will not suffer from automation job loss either. The US economy right now is deceptively strong. It's the Caesar to PRC's Pompey

Are you sure about that? This is the sort of misguided thinking that led USG to underestimate China, which is why the USG is evidently hysterical over being surpassed by China.

But onto your point about automation...you do realise that china already leads in automation, that US firms go to China because the automation is still better than automation in the US; China has better robots, better AI, better machine tools, parts etc etc That's why Elon Musk has factories set up in China, it's why Apple restored factories back in China and cut contracts with Foxconn (based on taiwan).

China ousts Taiwan as Apple's biggest source of suppliers

Number of US companies in supply chain also slides despite Trump's trade war

Source: https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Chi...e-of-suppliers

Strange how you have traitor white anglo ruling class elites investing money into China, whilst other anglos want to go to war with China in the vain hope that it will preserve their position.

Regardless,
The future is Chinese.

[enoch]

Regardless,
The future is Chinese.

The future is more like 1/10th Chinese genetically as already acknowledged. And China is a fractured nation, even with the greatest totalitarian apparatus in human history kicking into high gear their entire economy is a paper dragon. Plus the women not wanting to have kids with the men thing. You can't really believe this. They haven't even conquered Russia or small islands off their mainland or the koreas. The US has no rivals in its entire hemisphere. LEL

Be realistic.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57154574

[Exarch]

The future is more like 1/10th Chinese genetically as already acknowledged. And China is a fractured nation, even with the greatest totalitarian apparatus in human history kicking into high gear their entire economy is a paper dragon. Plus the women not wanting to have kids with the men thing. You can't really believe this. They haven't even conquered Russia or small islands off their mainland or the koreas. The US has no rivals in its entire hemisphere. LEL

Be realistic.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57154574

Nothing you've posted above is factual and resembles more the Copium inhaled by anglo america to convince themselves that they are not in decline when the facts prove otherwise.

The US actually is struggling with its own population crisis ie the diminishing caucasoid demographic and the rise of the new religion of BLM echoes the rise of christianity in the fall of Rome; here's a great but lengthy read on how BLM is america's new state religion:

Finally, it provides an even greater sense of community to the faithful, helping to overcome the atomizing isolation and loneliness of liquid modernity. This is a somewhat odd community though. Just as Tickle predicted, communications technology has made it simultaneously vast and hyper-democratic. You might question whether the strict orthodoxy and blasphemy codes of the New Faith, to which one must submit or be canceled, are democratic, but that is only because you have forgotten your Plato and Aristotle, either of whom could have warned you what tends to happen to pure democracies. As Aristotle put it in his Politics:

[T]here demagogues spring up. For the people becomes a monarch, and is many in one; and there many have the power in their hand, not as individuals, but collectively… At all events this sort of democracy, which is now a monarchy, and no longer under the control of law, seeks to exercise monarchical sway, and grows into a despot.

If you ever wonder why something you said that was fine 72 hours ago is now an unredeemably racist, sexist, excommunicable offense, it’s because the disembodied Swarm Pope, who leads the People’s Democratic Priesthood of All Believers, crowd-sourced it from the swirling Id of the mob on Twitter while you weren’t looking.
***

Source: https://theupheaval.substack.com/p/a...ous-revolution

Secondly, the US has another problem with the mass of young men who are virgins and therefore more prone to violence and unrest:

Adult male "virginity" soars

Source: https://boingboing.net/2021/03/22/ad...ity-soars.html

This decline in the masculinity of american men who are unable to convince females to have sex with them has led to a rise in Incel type murders eg Atlanta massacre.

It's not hard to see the social equation being disrupted here, but it's not politically correct to address these issues because it doesn't conform to the new woke agenda. Whereas previously these young men would have formed families and found gainful employment they are instead becoming Otakus, neckbeards, basement dwellers, goddamn Virgins(!!) and not contributing towards society.

The american females have been observed to commit towards prostitution via OnlyFans as opposed to motherhood and families for easy cash and prizes.

How can anyone claim this is not Decline?

EDIT:

Get ready for Hyperinflation, folks; better get them wheelbarrows ready to buy your milk and groceries!!!

Costco disagrees with the Federal Reserve on the future of inflation

Retail giant Costco may be offering the clearest signs yet that the current inflationary spike the U.S. is experiencing as the economy emerges from the grips of the pandemic will be anything but transitory as countless Federal Reserve members continue to trumpet.

Source: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/costc...103738080.html

Also,
Russia is ditching the USD, which means a significant portion of the world's oil and gas market will exit the US Petrodollar system

Dollar to be dropped from National Wealth Fund structure within one month, says minister

Russian Finance Ministry has decided to reduce the funds of the NWF invested in dollar assets and replace them by an increase in the euro and gold

https://tass.com/economy/1297717

No wonder the american elites want to start WW3, they're months away from civil revolt and rioting in the streets.

[conon394]

Really?
Ray Dalio leads the world's largest hedge fund, consistently delivering positive returns whilst you take someone like say...george soros who tried to short HK and China and ended up losing badly.
Hell, rumour had it that when Soros tried to pull his money out of HK after his short attack failed in 2019, there was a mysterious power failure than prevented him from being able to do so. It was like that scene in Oceans 13 where al pacino's character gets locked in the room and can only watch whilst his money gets sucked dry on losing bets

Hedge funds are basically a con for wealthy people (and a back scratching vehicle for say elite ivy school admins to channel endowment money to their friends) and their mangers are rich because they charge usury rates for front line number that in the long term any conservative investor can match. Their managers are always good for some unfounded quotes because they need to convince more marks who have too much money to give it to them and pay for the privilege or making just about as much money if not often less than could have on their own (and hiring a likely less expensive good accountant).

Russia is ditching the USD, which means a significant portion of the world's oil and gas market will exit the US Petrodollar system

Oh god oh god no... sorry who cares about a myth or the actions of a country who has an economy just marginally larger than Australia I'm sure the US will break any day now.

The american females have been observed to commit towards prostitution via OnlyFans as opposed to motherhood and families for easy cash and prizes.

Your data or a fever dream for this.

This decline in the masculinity of american men who are unable to convince females to have sex with them

Maybe men are just more honest now?

[chriscase]

Speculation about the personal characteristics of other members is off topic.

[Cyclops]

Getting way back to the Op I still think the US is hegemon for the foreseeable future. China while performing miracles to improve the wealth of its peoples has staggered politically: Xi becoming Dear Leader For Life (after he argued so eloquently for this feature to be removed in a previous incarnation), like Putin's seizing power for life, is a sign of a regime unable to function with power sharing. the more concentrated to power the more force needed to rule and the system eats itself.

For all its faults (and we get to see a lot of them, a reasonably healthy sign) the US allows its citizens to play the game. there is racism and elitism etc but its partial, not absolute, and there's some meritocracy and some participation allowed. There's more incentive to work "for and with" the system than to be worked "by and against" it for most of the population. Its a shame recent US administrations have traded out freedoms and benefits for profits for the few, but its still waaaay healthier and more enduring than say Russia's fragile system, or China's (still really accomplished) polity.

[enoch]

The US is the only true super power.

[Exarch]

Hedge funds are basically a con for wealthy people (and a back scratching vehicle for say elite ivy school admins to channel endowment money to their friends) and their mangers are rich because they charge usury rates for front line number that in the long term any conservative investor can match. Their managers are always good for some unfounded quotes because they need to convince more marks who have too much money to give it to them and pay for the privilege or making just about as much money if not often less than could have on their own (and hiring a likely less expensive good accountant).

The United States is soft feudal society, and hedge funds along with journalism tend to be the 'make work' employment pools for the fail sons and fail daughters of excess elites. Needless to say, elite overproduction is also conducive towards riot, unrest and Revolution as observed in the lead to the French Revolution.

In that sense, we both agree that the current wealth inequality of the US will create unstable conditions for the decline of the United States.

Oh god oh god no... sorry who cares about a myth or the actions of a country who has an economy just marginally larger than Australia I'm sure the US will break any day now.

Given how much the US Elite wants to go to war against russia, i'd say Russia's actions are pretty significant.

In fact,

Going for gold: Russia to eliminate US dollar from sovereign wealth fund THIS MONTH amid warning of politics sabotaging currency

Source: https://www.rt.com/russia/525569-dol...fund-currency/

Your data or a fever dream for this.

do you deny that Onlyfans is prostitution? The massive spike in popularity of OnlyFans and Seeking Arrangements ie prostitution services in the US reveals a breakdown in social mores.

Maybe men are just more honest now?

I disagree, you have a generation of american men raised by single mothers and who lack a positive male role model in life; this is why they have so much trouble controlling their emotions and resort to shooting up schools when they get rejected. Unable to make a woman desire them, they end up despondent virgins, prone to violent outbreaks such as we saw in Atlanta.
You see this sort of behaviour in places like India and Pakistan where rejected men get emotional enough to throw acid on girls' faces. In America, the boys prefer to shoot people.

Getting way back to the Op I still think the US is hegemon for the foreseeable future. China while performing miracles to improve the wealth of its peoples has staggered politically: Xi becoming Dear Leader For Life (after he argued so eloquently for this feature to be removed in a previous incarnation), like Putin's seizing power for life, is a sign of a regime unable to function with power sharing. the more concentrated to power the more force needed to rule and the system eats itself.

For all its faults (and we get to see a lot of them, a reasonably healthy sign) the US allows its citizens to play the game. there is racism and elitism etc but its partial, not absolute, and there's some meritocracy and some participation allowed. There's more incentive to work "for and with" the system than to be worked "by and against" it for most of the population. Its a shame recent US administrations have traded out freedoms and benefits for profits for the few, but its still waaaay healthier and more enduring than say Russia's fragile system, or China's (still really accomplished) polity.

This belief stems from a lot of propaganda that reveals more about the marketing of the US elite rather than the concrete reality, ie hard statistics.
at best it is wishful thinking, at worse it's an inability to move on from the 90s-2000s.

In fact, the american monied elites see the writing on the wall, even as far back as early 2020:

[EmperorBatman999]

What is remarkable about all this is that many people (especially those who are well-read) see exactly what is happening with our national decline, we can all see the symptoms and understand, but we can't come up with a way to overcome the problem. I suppose, too, that this was the hope behind studying the fall of Rome: so that we would not see the tragic collapse of such a state again. This isn't healthy, this isn't normal for a society. What is remarkable, too, is how brief the American Golden Age was: likely only less than 60 years, rather than the mutligenerational golden ages experienced by Rome,

I'm not sure what would stop China, or revive America. I suspect that we are experiencing the dynamics of inertia and momentum. China has built so much weight behind its own economic and political growth that it probably can't be stopped, at least not without catastrophic consequences for the rest of the world. Meanwhile, the US will need deep institutional changes that will upset the elites in power just to dislodge ourselves from the static friction, and the intellectual problem-solving institutions like the universities and think-tanks are more concerned about self-affirmation, patronage, and institutionalized bribery, rather than developing ingenious solutions to our problems.

[Exarch]

What is remarkable about all this is that many people (especially those who are well-read) see exactly what is happening with our national decline, we can all see the symptoms and understand, but we can't come up with a way to overcome the problem. I suppose, too, that this was the hope behind studying the fall of Rome: so that we would not see the tragic collapse of such a state again. This isn't healthy, this isn't normal for a society. What is remarkable, too, is how brief the American Golden Age was: likely only less than 60 years, rather than the mutligenerational golden ages experienced by Rome,

It's quite ironic really; all that the US Elites have to do is actually serve the people but they lack the sense of noblesse oblige. Too much debauchery, cocaine and sex (looking at you, hunter biden), and pizza gate sex parties (clinton and biden). This deficiency of moral character translates into inept governance. Gibbon was right, after all.

What the US elites should do is pay more taxes, accept that they're dumb asses and relinquish power in favour of more adept leaders. America is crying out for a Caesar and there would have been one, except that natsec/Swamp bureaucrats tend to marginalise and destroy would be Caesars eg Petraeus, McMaster etc.

I'm not sure what would stop China, or revive America. I suspect that we are experiencing the dynamics of inertia and momentum. China has built so much weight behind its own economic and political growth that it probably can't be stopped, at least not without catastrophic consequences for the rest of the world. Meanwhile, the US will need deep institutional changes that will upset the elites in power just to dislodge ourselves from the static friction, and the intellectual problem-solving institutions like the universities and think-tanks are more concerned about self-affirmation, patronage, and institutionalized bribery, rather than developing ingenious solutions to our problems.

Let me give you an eg of american elite incompetence: the USG/Trump/Beltway thought they could prevent China's rise by banning android OS and updates from Chinese tech firms. End result, China just released their own OS competitor.

Effectively, US leaders in Washington ruined a perfectly good trade relationship where alphabet could've continued collecting royalties along with the USG, only to effectively created the very nemesis they so feared because the white supremacists in Washington can't handle being bested by an Asian. We're seeing the same effect in terms of semiconductors as well where China is at least 1-2 years away from flooding the market with cheap and reliable semiconductors.

Let me give you another example, the crown jewel of Anglo american elite wealth: Boeing, has been begging the Beltway Elites to cease from this path of confrontation with the rising Asian Superpower:

Boeing Warns China Trade Impasse Threatens Company’s Global Sway

Source: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...?ocid=msedgntp

[conon394]

do you deny that Onlyfans is prostitution? The massive spike in popularity of OnlyFans and Seeking Arrangements ie prostitution services in the US reveals a breakdown in social mores.

Not altogether via wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OnlyFans

However even where it absolutely - your claim lacks any time series data. You need to construct such to make your claim. going back to the days of small local publications and classified adds all around the US, the period where craigslist became a location for advertising sex (note it killed the roll for itself right as OnlyFans was being rolled out) and dig up the find of public health papers by researchers that describe the local networks where women who are not prostitutes but poor and do trade sex for say auto repair or plumbing services.

Source: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...?ocid=msedgntp

You know it really tiresome listing to US CEO whine access to the china Market this great nirvana that really only seems to make them money.

Check list for Boeing. Don't build corner cutting planes that are right out of the McDonald Douglas playbook - there is a reason that company failed and could be bought for cheap. Why not go back to stocking your board and senior management with engineers. Hay get a huge trump windfall trump tax why not spend that on R&D vs completely pointless stock buybacks that do noting but pay out to the oligarchs. Do that I will give crap about whining about a trade with China.

[enoch]

It's quite ironic really; all that the US Elites have to do is actually serve the people but they lack the sense of noblesse oblige. Too much debauchery, cocaine and sex (looking at you, hunter biden), and pizza gate sex parties (clinton and biden). This deficiency of moral character translates into inept governance. Gibbon was right, after all.

What the US elites should do is pay more taxes, accept that they're dumb asses and relinquish power in favour of more adept leaders. America is crying out for a Caesar and there would have been one, except that natsec/Swamp bureaucrats tend to marginalise and destroy would be Caesars eg Petraeus, McMaster etc.

Very very very very very very exciting to see the more ridiculous of the Q/Liberal Elite messaging. Cope and the others who relay this conspiracy stuff tend towards the mildly less easily disprovable statements. Very very very excited. To make this more coherent I will only ask one question per post, and will respond to a question in kind to show I am not just some moron trolling.


Question 1

Name a country (that matters) where the elites possess noblesse oblige and their priority is to serve the people?






omg I am so happy someone with such beliefs is a part of our community

[EmperorBatman999]

It's quite ironic really; all that the US Elites have to do is actually serve the people but they lack the sense of noblesse oblige. Too much debauchery, cocaine and sex (looking at you, hunter biden), and pizza gate sex parties (clinton and biden). This deficiency of moral character translates into inept governance. Gibbon was right, after all.

What the US elites should do is pay more taxes, accept that they're dumb asses and relinquish power in favour of more adept leaders. America is crying out for a Caesar and there would have been one, except that natsec/Swamp bureaucrats tend to marginalise and destroy would be Caesars eg Petraeus, McMaster etc.

Eh, I'm not sure America needs a Caesar. If anything (and as you allude to with the short-sighted military and warmonger NatSec Council), the military can't really produce a trustworthy, honest, and reformist-minded national leader. In any case, I don't think Petraeus or McMaster would fit the role of an American Caesar, or even a successor to Washington or Eisenhower. You might also say that the tendency for civilian elites and the general public to destroy potential Caesars before they can get power is a testament to the strength of our democratic norms, despite the battering those democratic foundations have received since the '60s.

In any case, Caesar's dictatorship opened the path for the Empire, which was even more instable most of the time than the Republic at its worst. Replicating the emergence of a Caesar-like figure might shock the American public from its socio-cultural malaise, but the instability, chaos, and authoritarianism following the dictatorship would end America's position as the global leader of democracy...even as much as I think America is slipping from that world leadership anyway.

Your points about moral debauchery otherwise are well-taken. It seems to me that politicians have mastered the "meta" (to borrow a gaming term) of national governance, having been able to achieve the most benefits of leadership (wealth, prestige, networks), all while minimizing the actual effort the comes with the responsibility of leadership.