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    Let us begin by celebrating the successful launch of the Chinese taikonauts to the Chinese Space Station. Even the fact that the ISS will be decommissioned this decade whilst the Chinese Tiangong-2 will remain in orbit, is proof positive of the decline of the United States.

    for instance,
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    A true OH&S hazard and lawsuit waiting to happen, compared to the Enterprise D interior of the Chinese space station:
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    Other nations are taking note of the decline of the US and the accompanying restoration of the Chinese hegemon.


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    When I know that their bias indicates their paymasters' desires to see a weakened and divided West, yes, I can deny their arguments, assertions, and conclusions, because those observations and conclusions were shaped by the outcomes they specifically desire.


    Here is another take from Canada's CBC that indicates that Ottawa has come out from the conference with a very optimistic picture.


    As much as the United States State Dept. loves to think that Canada is our best buddy and emphasizes the "special relationship" due to shared geographic and cultural aspects, Canada has, since at least Pierre Trudeau's (Justin's father) tenure as Prime Minister, often stood up against US policy rather than serve as an extension of the US. Trudeau the Elder went so far as to personally visit Cuba under Castro, standing blatantly against America's embargo on the communist island. More recently, the US-Canada border remains closed to travel, even though America is no longer an epicenter to the pandemic, and that vaccinated Americans have only a minimal risk of spreading the virus. Much of this, of course, signals that Canada is not the 51st state and that it can stand socially and economically on its own, and that it doesn't need US trade and American tourists to survive. In short, Canada often goes against the wishes of the United States and is by no means obligated to comply with Washington wishes, yet, they went with many of America's proposals at G-7.

    And no, I don't perceive Canada's behavior as a rebellion against the "crumbling" US hegemony because they have been acting this way for decades. Nor can this be written off by Anglo racism either: almost half of the Canadian population is not Anglo, and they have the highest proportion of Asians in North America, and Trudeau is a Quebecois.
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    Several things; the United States is Canada's largest trading partner and given the same anglo cultural heritage, Canadians would naturally be ok with the anglo supremacist "rules based order" of the United States.

    Needless, to say, Trudeau the Younger aka "blackface" Trudeau is very much the Commodus to the Elder's Aurelius. Exactly what has the young Trudeau done other than coast on his father's legacy and adopt the new religion of "woke-ism" which is itself the originator to the new american religion of BLM? All Anglo nations can be best considered as outposts of american anglo hegemony, hence why the Five Eyes are a privileged group of espionage that later became the oligarchy of power that it is today.

    Yes, impending inflation is a very serious issue. The previous president is to blame for allowing it, and this president is especially to blame for allowing the Fed to continue. If I were in charge, I would've sacked the Federal Reserve chairman when he said that they are no longer counting the M2, the total supply of money held by the American population
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    The President does not have the power to do that mess with the FED that was the point).

    Take chill pill on inflation man.

    https://ihsmarkit.com/research-analy...june-2021.html

    I believe I already posted the raw data earlier. the rate spike is driven almost entirety by supply chain issues in a minority of of sectors. The inflation of the last two months would have been met with a yawn back in the 60s. Let's recall the fed has been desperate for around 10 years now to avoid deflation. Stop listening to anything Larry Summers bloviates about.
    wishful thinking and burying one's head in the sand is not a sound strategy. The white supremacist anglos of the Five Eyes also assumed China would never surpass them...until it did.

    Already, inflation is threatening the US covid recovery:



    For those who don't know, Michael Burry who was portrayed by christian bale in The Big Short famously predicted the 2008 housing crash and made billions from it. If ppl here are so convinced that hyperinflation aint here, maybe they could show us their Calls.


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    Yes long before I would marry a women worked for the goons who helped Amazon crush union organizing, anyone who ever crossed a picket line, or was vulture capital manager I can think of more but I think the point is made.
    You're a Leftist; ironically, China overpowering the United States would be beneficial for leftists; you would have true socialism in the United States.

    This is what an America built on Chinese socialist principles could look like:
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    So the colonial American sit in and calm dialog won US independence. It was Jackson's measured voluntary Oklahoma resettlement program that made the Cherokee move, Hamilton just put down the whisky rebellion with a few town hall meetings about the need for a strong national financial base, Buchanan won a second term on the strength of great compromise that ended slavery. You really have no ideal about the labor movement in the US do you you Walter Ruther just walked into negotiations with GM 1950 and used his wit and charm to get that deal or was he standing on shoulders of well of 200 years of labor leaders and members blood (some of it his) being shed and sacrificed and the hands of savage industrial responses to get to that moment?
    Socialism in the United States was castrated by the feudal oligarchs of the american elites; but the American elites also used racial apartheid to ensure they would be protected from socialism; getting working class irish to attack Chinese and negro workers by appealing to racism was one such tactic.
    Such a system built on racial apartheid will only collapse as was observed in apartheid south africa, even when the last enclave of the white afrikaans threatened to use a neutron bomb.


    I am rather a lot more about Amazon or Google. Snowden in my opinion is basically a Russian spy he impresses me not at all.
    So you're not really a socialist after all, you're an Establishment Democrat.


    So a play game what the US need to do to restore garment product back to the US from Bangladesh. Not niche high end product but mass garment production supplying Walmart for example?
    That'll never happen for the same reason why americans won't pick fruit or cotton and have migrant labourers do it: americans, especially white americans believe they're too good for that sort of "slave labour".
    Once again, proving the point that the american people as a culture now lack the capacity for hard work which is essential for a nation to thrive.

    When young americans choose to aspire to become Youtubers and TikTokers, rather than astronauts and scientists as the Chinese do, it's clear the trajectory of the United States lies in decline.

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    I don't know about, the ISS has been a tremendous technological success for the past 23 years. I'm sure, too, that its retirement just has to do with the fact it has been in orbit for a quarter-century. Compare the Taiphong-2, which is almost brand new, having been launched in 2016. The ISS has had no major accidents with the station itself, and routine problems will inevitably occur on any machine built by humans, especially when such a machine is suspended in outer space and outside the physics of normal earth gravity.

    Regarding the G-7: I can't get your position here. You say on one hand that all of the West is in complete disarray and that nobody will listen to America's proposals anymore, but then you say that the Anglosphere countries and Western Europe are all locked in and coordinated with one another through underground espionage networks and a unified oligarchy. Which is it?

    Finally, the whole thing about socialism: No, China is not concerned with spreading socialism. Their state propaganda will tell you that they are practicing some aspects of a private market in order to achieve Marxism, but that is all a cynical lie used to keep their population ideologically cohesive. In any case, China got to where it is because they opted to integrate some elements of capitalism, which then allowed them to promote a certain degree of innovation, and then pirating, counterfeiting, and reverse-engineering the rest of the stuff that the West asks them to make. And what is that picture supposed to convey? Who would ever think such a scene would be a paradise?

    When young americans choose to aspire to become Youtubers and TikTokers, rather than astronauts and scientists as the Chinese do, it's clear the trajectory of the United States lies in decline.
    Yeah, those classical Greeks like Aeschylus wasted their time writing plays. Just like how the artists of the Renaissance and the novelists of 19th century America and Europe wasted their time not being scientific, and so did the filmmakers, and TV producers which came the century thereafter.

    YouTube and Tik-Tok are the new forms of entertainment media, just like those plays, those novels, those movies, and TV programs, and all those past forms of entertainment are importance vessels of culture throughout the ages, and remain greatly valued. I am also sure plenty of Chinese youths want to become social media celebrities, as many Americans want to become scientists (I mean, just look at how much STEM education has been shoved down the throats of American children over the past twenty years, at the expense of the arts and humanities: surely, at least, all this STEM schooling got some kids inspired to be scientists and engineers). One must be incredibly careful not to overgeneralize, there is no way of knowing the intentions of millions of people at a single given time.

    Again, I have to ask, how is some people's aspirations involving the creation of entertainment a sign of decline? The flourishing of art and entertainment have often been viewed by historians as a positive indicator of societal health and prosperity, parallel to scientific developments. In some cases, art is the primary indicator of societal success: take, for example the Golden Age of Rome, where we know Roman society prospered because they left a lot of art and literature behind during a given period, even if the Romans were not a terribly scientifically innovative people (I think of one art historian William Ivins of the Metropolitan Museum of New York, who raved that the Romans and Greeks were overrated because they were not that scientifically innovative, and that we don't give Medieval people credit for the burst of scientific knowledge and technological development that only happened after Rome fell). On another note, Tik-Tok and YouTube are great educational tools to teach people about things like science, so being either a YouTuber or a Scientist is not a mutually exclusive, give-or-take kind of deal, you can actually do both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorBatman999 View Post
    I don't know about, the ISS has been a tremendous technological success for the past 23 years. I'm sure, too, that its retirement just has to do with the fact it has been in orbit for a quarter-century. Compare the Taiphong-2, which is almost brand new, having been launched in 2016. The ISS has had no major accidents with the station itself, and routine problems will inevitably occur on any machine built by humans, especially when such a machine is suspended in outer space and outside the physics of normal earth gravity.

    Regarding the G-7: I can't get your position here. You say on one hand that all of the West is in complete disarray and that nobody will listen to America's proposals anymore, but then you say that the Anglosphere countries and Western Europe are all locked in and coordinated with one another through underground espionage networks and a unified oligarchy. Which is it?
    It appears the european nations are reluctantly forced to follow the Anglo cabal, as they were forced to ditch lucrative iranian contracts from the JCPOA deal when America had a change in President and therefore a change in policy. Even now, Europeans are reluctant to commit more than token support to Biden since there could well be a Trump 2.0 come 2025. A third of the country did vote for Trumpism after all.

    Secondly, it speaks to the weakness of America's position when it has to threaten its own allies who do business with China, attempts to steal Chinese companies, and even ends up copying Chinese policies in direct contravention to its stated ideals of free markets. The USG has now adopted the state capitalism of China but lacks the social cohesion in China to implement it.

    In effect, the United States resembles the soviet union of the 80s attempting to copy the US in trying to stay ahead.

    Finally, the whole thing about socialism: No, China is not concerned with spreading socialism. Their state propaganda will tell you that they are practicing some aspects of a private market in order to achieve Marxism, but that is all a cynical lie used to keep their population ideologically cohesive. In any case, China got to where it is because they opted to integrate some elements of capitalism, which then allowed them to promote a certain degree of innovation, and then pirating, counterfeiting, and reverse-engineering the rest of the stuff that the West asks them to make. And what is that picture supposed to convey? Who would ever think such a scene would be a paradise?
    China's rise is actually really dangerous for US elites or even western european elites- because they present a successful model compared to the dysfunction that is the modern United States.

    Workers and citizens can point to the success of China and ask some hard questions why the USG is failing, in spite of the propaganda of the US oligarchy.



    Yeah, those classical Greeks like Aeschylus wasted their time writing plays. Just like how the artists of the Renaissance and the novelists of 19th century America and Europe wasted their time not being scientific, and so did the filmmakers, and TV producers which came the century thereafter.

    YouTube and Tik-Tok are the new forms of entertainment media, just like those plays, those novels, those movies, and TV programs, and all those past forms of entertainment are importance vessels of culture throughout the ages, and remain greatly valued. I am also sure plenty of Chinese youths want to become social media celebrities, as many Americans want to become scientists (I mean, just look at how much STEM education has been shoved down the throats of American children over the past twenty years, at the expense of the arts and humanities: surely, at least, all this STEM schooling got some kids inspired to be scientists and engineers). One must be incredibly careful not to overgeneralize, there is no way of knowing the intentions of millions of people at a single given time.

    Again, I have to ask, how is some people's aspirations involving the creation of entertainment a sign of decline? The flourishing of art and entertainment have often been viewed by historians as a positive indicator of societal health and prosperity, parallel to scientific developments. In some cases, art is the primary indicator of societal success: take, for example the Golden Age of Rome, where we know Roman society prospered because they left a lot of art and literature behind during a given period, even if the Romans were not a terribly scientifically innovative people (I think of one art historian William Ivins of the Metropolitan Museum of New York, who raved that the Romans and Greeks were overrated because they were not that scientifically innovative, and that we don't give Medieval people credit for the burst of scientific knowledge and technological development that only happened after Rome fell). On another note, Tik-Tok and YouTube are great educational tools to teach people about things like science, so being either a YouTuber or a Scientist is not a mutually exclusive, give-or-take kind of deal, you can actually do both.
    Very good point.

    I would counter though that modern art is now a matter of taste and i'd be really surprised or shocked if future connoisseurs considered say Logan Paul or VitalyZ as on par with Andy Warhol, and whilst i enjoy the thirst traps on tiktok as much as anyone else, how else can the promotion of OnlyFans links on Tiktok and Youtube be anything other than the prostitution of the american female, on par with roman society women indulging in orgies and mysteries?

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    I, for one, welcome our new Chinese overlords. But as excited as I am about copying superior Chinese technology and customs, I really don’t think I can handle full assimilation:

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    I do hope the US can one day achieve the level of harmony and socioeconomic sustainability China enjoys.

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    I, for one, welcome our new Chinese overlords. But as excited as I am about copying superior Chinese technology and customs, I really don’t think I can handle full assimilation:

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    I do hope the US can one day achieve the level of harmony and socioeconomic sustainability China enjoys.



    What is with this animosity?

    The decline of the United States was assured the moment the american people went against nature and God.

    Regarding your point about real estate, the future of the american people is serfdom and feudal peonage:



    That is the entire point of The Great Reset, ie the social restructuring as decided by the anglo american elite like bill gates, where americans will own nothing and be happy.

    Already, America's leaders are commencing sinocising the country:

    Where China leads, the West will follow
    Source: https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion...st-will-follow

    Maybe your can get away with learning Chinese, but your kids are definitely going to need to know Chinese to get ahead in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch
    Regarding your point about real estate, the future of the american people is serfdom and feudal peonage:
    You mean one day we, too, can live like mainland Chinese people? Can’t wait.
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    You're a Leftist; ironically, China overpowering the United States would be beneficial for leftists; you would have true socialism in the United States.
    China is not leftist its an Oligarchy. I want no part of it. Its easy to eliminate poverty per your example when you set the so low it a bar a roll over in your sleep and have a nice big state run media show about.

    wishful thinking and burying one's head in the sand is not a sound strategy. The white supremacist anglos of the Five Eyes also assumed China would never surpass them...until it did.
    By which metric? If you want to play the 5 eyes game you aggregate all five economies you know.

    Already, inflation is threatening the US covid recovery:
    Gasp no it is not in fact doing that.

    For those who don't know, Michael Burry who was portrayed by christian bale in The Big Short famously predicted the 2008 housing crash and made billions from it. If ppl here are so convinced that hyperinflation aint here, maybe they could show us their Calls.
    A broken clock is right twice a day. Show me the data say going back 40 years of all the predictions of this that or the other economic event and show the life record of predictions of any one famous person and than so the win right wrong rate. What other predictions has Mr Burry made over his career. He is vulture a vile element of US capitalism that should taxed out of existence. His occasional self profiteering prognostication is the stuff of legend but what of his mistakes those do not get news time. I really do not care what he says.

    Compare:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/15/warr...e-regrets.html

    https://grow.acorns.com/warren-buffe...ors-can-learn/


    In any case Inflation in the US right now is very much supply side driven and limited to a few sectors that are struggling to deal with re opening. With only two months of dat there is no possible way to read in hyperinflation. Another two months will provided a more clear picture and frankly the US Could us Inflation moving away from a line on on the edge of deflation.

    So you're not really a socialist after all, you're an Establishment Democrat.
    No I just willing to call a spy a spy. I don't recall Daniel Ellsberg running off to mother Russia. Snowden lacked the courage of supposed convictions

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    the ISS has been a tremendous technological success for the past 23 years. I'm sure, too, that its retirement just has to do with the fact it has been in orbit for a quarter-century
    I would say rather a waste of money no matter its success as a project. What did it or has produced for all that waste of money. To repeat myself from another thread many orbital observatories and robotic missions could have been funded with that money. Maned space stations going back to Mir are just vanity projects. Had the ISS build a spinning system to simulate gravity and see if worked that might have been an achievement but name any scientific advance of any note that you can trace back to anything done on the ISS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    It appears the european nations are reluctantly forced to follow the Anglo cabal, as they were forced to ditch lucrative iranian contracts from the JCPOA deal when America had a change in President and therefore a change in policy. Even now, Europeans are reluctant to commit more than token support to Biden since there could well be a Trump 2.0 come 2025. A third of the country did vote for Trumpism after all.

    Secondly, it speaks to the weakness of America's position when it has to threaten its own allies who do business with China, attempts to steal Chinese companies, and even ends up copying Chinese policies in direct contravention to its stated ideals of free markets. The USG has now adopted the state capitalism of China but lacks the social cohesion in China to implement it.

    In effect, the United States resembles the soviet union of the 80s attempting to copy the US in trying to stay ahead.


    China's rise is actually really dangerous for US elites or even western european elites- because they present a successful model compared to the dysfunction that is the modern United States.

    Workers and citizens can point to the success of China and ask some hard questions why the USG is failing, in spite of the propaganda of the US oligarchy.


    Very good point.

    I would counter though that modern art is now a matter of taste and i'd be really surprised or shocked if future connoisseurs considered say Logan Paul or VitalyZ as on par with Andy Warhol, and whilst i enjoy the thirst traps on tiktok as much as anyone else, how else can the promotion of OnlyFans links on Tiktok and Youtube be anything other than the prostitution of the american female, on par with roman society women indulging in orgies and mysteries?
    When we begin to get into deep-state conspiracies like the Five Eyes, it is important to remain consistent. Usually deep state conspiracies suggest that such intelligence-states don't follow the direction of elected officials and act unilaterally to achieve their goals. So if Europe, North America, and ANZAC are linked in a supranational deep state that only follows its own prerogatives, why would they be concerned with interference from a particular meddlesome president? Who, in your belief, has the power here, the intelligence agencies, or elected officials?

    I haven't heard anything about the US threatening its allies into embargoing China. It has, instead, worked to convince its allies through highlighting China's human rights problems, appealing to morality. And regarding state capitalism: pretty much every Western country has embraced some degree of state capitalism. Modern industry wouldn't be able to survive without a close relationship with the state. Germany is another example of state capitalism, having a government that collaborates with industry in creating economic policy and promoting growth. If anything, China learned from Europe and the US on how to execute such a political economy. China's cohesion, meanwhile, only remains so as long as they constantly relive the spirit of Tiananmen '89 and brutally crush any nascent dissent.

    Warning: Depictions of violence.

    Massive Protests Erupt in Mainland China
    There are still protests in China, despite the extent of the security state, but the government has to constantly crack down on such protests. Eventually, I doubt they will have the capacity to keep doing this, especially if discontent with the government continues to rise.

    Now, on to Chinese political forms: you speak about the strength and unity of the Chinese government and how they have such compelling cohesive power, and then you claim that China is pretty much the Worker's Paradise (it is not: as an abundance of evidence shows, the standard of living for the average Chinese worker is abysmal compared to Western standards). So who drives the Chinese nation? Political elites in the Party, who no longer have identarian ties to the proletariat and are instead involved in Big Business (embracing, as you say, State Capitalism), or the Chinese workers? And no, occasionally playing The Internationale at some state events does not count as this country being a genuine nation of workers. And China certainly isn't a nation for the Uyghur slaves, I mean workers.

    In re art: The fascinating thing about time's relationship to art is that time tends to filter out almost everything except for a handful of examples, and those examples continue to exist as classics and the standard of quality. Look at any top 100 billboard chart from the past 50 or 60 years and onward and pick out which songs you still often hear. Likely not many. So yes, YouTube and Tik-Tok are filled with trash now, but so was any other form of media before it. Most of the writings from Ancient Rome were works that medieval monks felt were particularly high quality and worth preserving, but even some junk got through like the Historia Augusta. The same will happen to our current media today, the best will last and the rest will fade away.

    The decline of the United States was assured the moment the american people went against nature and God.
    Any evidence for how the US went "against nature and God"? Arguably, if you look at this from the point of view of Rousseau, humanity went against nature and God when we chose to leave the State of Nature and build human civilization.

    Do you know who I think went against nature and God? China: for their gain-of-function research designed deadly viruses such as COVID, effectively playing God and punishing the rest of humankind for it.

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    At the very least, ISS has symbolic value as a multinational effort to collaborate for the sake of advancing human knowledge. They do perform plenty of experiments on a regular basis, such as growing crops in low-gravity and such, but most won't likely benefit humanity until we perform further exploration and colonization in space.
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    When we begin to get into deep-state conspiracies like the Five Eyes, it is important to remain consistent. Usually deep state conspiracies suggest that such intelligence-states don't follow the direction of elected officials and act unilaterally to achieve their goals. So if Europe, North America, and ANZAC are linked in a supranational deep state that only follows its own prerogatives, why would they be concerned with interference from a particular meddlesome president? Who, in your belief, has the power here, the intelligence agencies, or elected officials? .
    I'd say no-one, not unless you had a strong President who had already cultivated networks from his years as a Senator; the current United States resembles warring factions of eunuchs, jealous of its own fiefdoms and content to fight each other for bigger budgets. Not to mention the religious nutters, the Tea Partyers and the MAGAtards.

    Since none of these groups appear to have a grounding of reality and appear to want to push for an eschatological event eg Rapture, End times, Revolution to Make America Great Again with fascism, it's obvious the United States is headed for a very dark future.

    About the Five Eyes, it's not simply an intelligence grouping based on anglo culture nations but also a racial ideological commonwealth motivated by anglo chauvinism and white anglo supremacy. Spiritual influences include Cecil Rhodes, apartheid south africa and of course godwin's law.

    I haven't heard anything about the US threatening its allies into embargoing China. It has, instead, worked to convince its allies through highlighting China's human rights problems, appealing to morality. And regarding state capitalism: pretty much every Western country has embraced some degree of state capitalism. Modern industry wouldn't be able to survive without a close relationship with the state. Germany is another example of state capitalism, having a government that collaborates with industry in creating economic policy and promoting growth. If anything, China learned from Europe and the US on how to execute such a political economy. China's cohesion, meanwhile, only remains so as long as they constantly relive the spirit of Tiananmen '89 and brutally crush any nascent dissent.
    You appear to get all your news from anglo propaganda; the fact is that the US is unable to match what China offers the world, it lacks 5G technology so has to resort to stealing it (hacking Huawei's source code), it lacks true innovation so attempts to steal it (TAO ops and PRISM program), the United States even lacks the economics to pull countries away from China- in fact it's the reverse, the perfidious albion has China as its largest trading partner, not the anglo US.

    Now, on to Chinese political forms: you speak about the strength and unity of the Chinese government and how they have such compelling cohesive power, and then you claim that China is pretty much the Worker's Paradise (it is not: as an abundance of evidence shows, the standard of living for the average Chinese worker is abysmal compared to Western standards). So who drives the Chinese nation? Political elites in the Party, who no longer have identarian ties to the proletariat and are instead involved in Big Business (embracing, as you say, State Capitalism), or the Chinese workers? And no, occasionally playing The Internationale at some state events does not count as this country being a genuine nation of workers. And China certainly isn't a nation for the Uyghur slaves, I mean workers.

    In re art: The fascinating thing about time's relationship to art is that time tends to filter out almost everything except for a handful of examples, and those examples continue to exist as classics and the standard of quality. Look at any top 100 billboard chart from the past 50 or 60 years and onward and pick out which songs you still often hear. Likely not many. So yes, YouTube and Tik-Tok are filled with trash now, but so was any other form of media before it. Most of the writings from Ancient Rome were works that medieval monks felt were particularly high quality and worth preserving, but even some junk got through like the Historia Augusta. The same will happen to our current media today, the best will last and the rest will fade away.
    Once again, you are assuming China must fit into your neat little category of socialism/communism. China's leaders aren't like that, Chinese leaders are pragmatic and will make it work, regardless. This is the can do attitude that americans used to possess and now lack due to moral decadence and depravity.

    americans are ideologues and made free market capitalism their new religion and when it is obviously failing, they cannot bring themselves to abandon the ideology; instead they pervert the idea of free markets by re-marketing Chinese state capitalism as their own, but i'm sceptical that it will work since chinese success requires social cohesion which the United States lacks. Currently, the USG is attempting to form unity with a new cold war, a new race war as the Five Eyes are now attempting to prevent the implosion of their own society.


    Any evidence for how the US went "against nature and God"? Arguably, if you look at this from the point of view of Rousseau, humanity went against nature and God when we chose to leave the State of Nature and build human civilization.
    US Elites are predators of the pizza gate variety, sick, twisted corrupt soulless, tasteless vampires (looking at your peter Thiel); given the globohomo movement of the US elites, it's like america's elites inherited great wealth and power but were themselves damaged psychologically as to perpetrate such sins against humanity.

    Now whether or not QAnon is true or not, there is a sizeable proportion of the US public who believes it to be so, and are willing to revolt as they did on Jan 6th. American secret police, the Cheka of the anglos, called the FBI are currently hunting and torturing these QAnon cultists.

    At the very least, ISS has symbolic value as a multinational effort to collaborate for the sake of advancing human knowledge. They do perform plenty of experiments on a regular basis, such as growing crops in low-gravity and such, but most won't likely benefit humanity until we perform further exploration and colonization in space
    symbolically, with the passing of the ISS, the torch of human space exploration passes to the Chinese.

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    symbolically, with the passing of the ISS, the torch of human space exploration passes to the Chinese.
    Exactly how? Again the Chinese space station is a rather pointless vanity project something the US and USSR achieved long ago and gleaned no great stride into space from. Something that Europe or Japan (collaborators in the ISS) could have done themselves had wanted the waste the money. It cool and all that China has joined the race to waste money in space club. But I I'm still a bit perplexed that think a space station has anything to to do with space exploration.


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    At the very least, ISS has symbolic value as a multinational effort to collaborate for the sake of advancing human knowledge. They do perform plenty of experiments on a regular basis, such as growing crops in low-gravity and such, but most won't likely benefit humanity until we perform further exploration and colonization in space.
    The growing things experiments are more or BS/BA level demonstrations they are kind of meaningless if yuo have have real understanding of how complex and large and long term real agricultural research is. I won't dismiss intentional cooperation but I would have rather seen that invested in something useful. For example we are the cusp of finally letting companies start raking the deep sea bed for nodules. Because thay are full valuable rare elements needed in the modern economy. The environmental impact of that is likely to very destructive but out of sight out of mind right. All the money and time on the ISS might for example have funded probing the asteroid belt to see if the same resources could have been harvested from it without risking destroying delicate ecosystems at home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conon394 View Post
    Exactly how? Again the Chinese space station is a rather pointless vanity project something the US and USSR achieved long ago and gleaned no great stride into space from. Something that Europe or Japan (collaborators in the ISS) could have done themselves had wanted the waste the money. It cool and all that China has joined the race to waste money in space club. But I I'm still a bit perplexed that think a space station has anything to to do with space exploration.




    The growing things experiments are more or BS/BA level demonstrations they are kind of meaningless if yuo have have real understanding of how complex and large and long term real agricultural research is. I won't dismiss intentional cooperation but I would have rather seen that invested in something useful. For example we are the cusp of finally letting companies start raking the deep sea bed for nodules. Because thay are full valuable rare elements needed in the modern economy. The environmental impact of that is likely to very destructive but out of sight out of mind right. All the money and time on the ISS might for example have funded probing the asteroid belt to see if the same resources could have been harvested from it without risking destroying delicate ecosystems at home.
    You really should just transfer all of these posts to the space thread in the mudpit.

    In any case, the racialised and depraved toxic nature of apartheid american society naturally makes them more amenable to violence against non whites- indicative of the rise in pogroms against Asians in america as USG Elites prove incapable of competing against China.

    This is a nation in free fall:
    Racial bias makes white Americans more likely to support wars in nonwhite foreign countries – new study
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    Racial bias makes white Americans more likely to support wars in nonwhite foreign countries – new study
    I had to lol at this “study.” For one thing, the authors appear to use political conservatism, especially in foreign policy, as a proxy for their “white racial resentment” metric. The majority of the paper reads like an NYT editorial with very little in the way of consistent measurement. Attitudes about Iran/Middle East and China are theorized as racially significant, without even testing those same survey questions against current or former US adversaries like Russia, Germany or Japan. I sincerely hope I overlooked something (maybe the charts they didn’t include have more information), because if this is how far scholarship has to bend to fit the political narrative du jour, this is the blackpill I didn’t need today.
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    I had to lol at this “study.” For one thing, the authors appear to use political conservatism, especially in foreign policy, as a proxy for their “white racial resentment” metric. The majority of the paper reads like an NYT editorial with very little in the way of consistent measurement. Attitudes about Iran/Middle East and China are theorized as racially significant, without even testing those same survey questions against current or former US adversaries like Russia, Germany or Japan. I sincerely hope I overlooked something (maybe the charts they didn’t include have more information), because if this is how far scholarship has to bend to fit the political narrative du jour, this is the blackpill I didn’t need today.
    you still haven't refuted the fact that the american people favour war on coloured nations, reflecting the racist and apartheid white supremacist nature of american society.

    however, whereas ethnocentrism would have resulted in greater fighting combat ability as seen in the Chechens, this is not observed amongst the american people.

    For eg Afghanistan: military defeat and humiliating retreats are observed by the americans fleeing taliban revenge; this has flight form Saigon vibes to it.

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    I had to lol at this “study.” For one thing, the authors appear to use political conservatism, especially in foreign policy, as a proxy for their “white racial resentment” metric. The majority of the paper reads like an NYT editorial with very little in the way of consistent measurement. Attitudes about Iran/Middle East and China are theorized as racially significant, without even testing those same survey questions against current or former US adversaries like Russia, Germany or Japan. I sincerely hope I overlooked something (maybe the charts they didn’t include have more information), because if this is how far scholarship has to bend to fit the political narrative du jour, this is the blackpill I didn’t need today.
    The study treats greater agreement with liberal axioms on race/race relations (specifically regarding African Americans) as being inversely proportional to one's "racial resentment". It then extrapolates that this "racial resentment" applies to "all nonwhite minority groups". Thus, conservatives (who have a tendency to favor proactive national security policies) are erroneously treated as racist by default. The fact that most of the significant American military interventions over the last 30 years have occurred in majority "white" countries is ignored.

    Furthermore, a closer look at the the ANES data being used by the study indicates that white Americans (most likely to be conservative) were also the least racially biased of all the major racial groups in America.

    It shouldn't be surprising that these sort of misleading, low-information, correlative studies which are deployed by liberal partisans double up as propaganda pieces for foreign agitators.
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    In any case, the racialised and depraved toxic nature of apartheid american society naturally makes them more amenable to violence against non whites- indicative of the rise in pogroms against Asians in america as USG Elites prove incapable of competing against China.
    Not sure how get form point A to last point but whatever.
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    Not sure how get form point A to last point but whatever.
    1) USG elites, a product of the same US education system have proven incapable of beating china despite all the advantages granted to it by their parents.
    2) Enraged and impotent, the USG elites resort to inciting hatred and violence against Asian Americans including filipino and korean americans who have themselves endured assault and pogroms by racist american mobs.
    3) The US- already a deeply divided racist apartheid society- wastes no time switching its 2 minute hate against China and Asians whilst the american elites declare a race war against China- what Kiron Skinner let slip as 'an all of society response...against a non caucasian power'.

    In a way, an apartheid state like america has to fight a two front war both at home and against external enemies:



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    former soldiers who had once fought for the decadent United States now increasingly suicidal.

    4 times as many US soldiers and vets died by suicide than in combat since 9/11 War on Terror – study


    Source: https://www.rt.com/usa/527233-us-mil...uicides-study/

    Is this God's Justice for the whore of babylon? If the cause was righteous, why do so many american servicemen end up dead, even after having served their tour of duty?

    Famous bitcoin billionaire, Max Keiser had this to say about the growing inflation in the United States and the growth of crypto as a replacement for the US dollar.
    Can other nations follow Russia’s lead in ditching the US dollar? RT’s Keiser Report finds out

    Source: https://www.rt.com/business/527234-m...sia-us-dollar/
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    Hey Exarch you still have not offered a good counter argument on how low the US poverty rate would be (orthe one in the UK) if they used the 2.30 dollars a day line for an individual adult. China has eliminated poverty by using a line typically reserved for non industrial poor countries like the Sudan. But I though it was taking us to the stars which is it?

    Is this God's Justice for the whore of babylon? If the cause was righteous, why do so many american servicemen end up dead, even after having served their tour of duty?
    Because fighting a war sucks. And realistically about 1/3 of the men and women who do so will come back permanently scared. NO matter how good or bad the cause or the place in the modern world.
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    Hey Exarch you still have not offered a good counter argument on how low the US poverty rate would be (orthe one in the UK) if they used the 2.30 dollars a day line for an individual adult. China has eliminated poverty by using a line typically reserved for non industrial poor countries like the Sudan. But I though it was taking us to the stars which is it?
    But China is still a developing country; what does it say about the United States when a developing country has eliminated poverty and yet the rich first world United States hasn't?
    How is that not decline?



    Because fighting a war sucks. And realistically about 1/3 of the men and women who do so will come back permanently scared. NO matter how good or bad the cause or the place in the modern world.
    I'd say it's because the United States society in its decline no longer provides the same support systems that would have cushioned these veterans and eased them back into civilian life. The family unit is no longer around to provide support and the masculinity promoted in most militaries is now frowned upon by the new woke religion in the US.

    Taking the analogy of Rome, when Rome as starting its ascension to greatness, its senators and leaders all served in a military capacity. Later, when the empire was in its decline- most of the fighting was done by immigrants.

    Similarly, in the United States the Elites cowardly flee combat, Bush Jr famously got a cushy role in the national guard and cheney never served, to say nothing of trump and biden nor the draft dodging clinton.

    Since these leaders never served, they don't know how important it is, nor what veterans need to get back into civilian life.

    Effectively, the corruption at the head of the american state leads to rot in the body whole.

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    I'd say it's because the United States society in its decline no longer provides the same support systems that would have cushioned these veterans and eased them back into civilian life. The family unit is no longer around to provide support and the masculinity promoted in most militaries is now frowned upon by the new woke religion in the US.

    Taking the analogy of Rome, when Rome as starting its ascension to greatness, its senators and leaders all served in a military capacity. Later, when the empire was in its decline- most of the fighting was done by immigrants.

    Similarly, in the United States the Elites cowardly flee combat, Bush Jr famously got a cushy role in the national guard and cheney never served, to say nothing of trump and biden nor the draft dodging clinton.

    Since these leaders never served, they don't know how important it is, nor what veterans need to get back into civilian life.

    Effectively, the corruption at the head of the american state leads to rot in the body whole.
    The United States has never had good support systems for veterans, especially those suffering from PTSD. If anything, it was worse after previous wars like Vietnam, as PTSD was still a horribly misunderstood issue. Hell, even in what you might picture to be America's "glory days" during World War II, General Patton was nearly fired for slapping a soldier suffering from a breakdown caused by his PTSD, saying that the soldier was a pathetic man trying to fake insanity to get out of returning to combat. At least PTSD is recognized as a real medical disorder with treatment protocols we can use to help those who suffer from it, and now the US government has worked aggressively to help veterans reintegrate: for example, veterans are given absolute non-competitive priority for hiring in federal jobs, and the federal government strongly encourages private companies to favor hiring protected veterans, even if there are more competent civilians available for unemployment.

    Not sure about the connection with "family" being the magic cure-all for PTSD. Usually the only people with whom soldiers can find solace over their traumas are fellow soldiers. Family members, most of whom likely have never faced combat, don't have the framework for understanding what their loved one is going through after coming back from the war.
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