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    We are living in historic times, we are currently experiencing the IRL version of the decline of the United States of America; i say a decline but it could just as easily turn into a collapse given current events. Whilst there are many, many factors that would contribute to the decline of the US: the pandemic, the resultant economic recession, military pullback, ascension of rivals etc, but the most tangible and most important one is the decline of the US dollar as the world's reserve currency:
    How the Coming Crash in the Dollar Will Unfold

    The argument that there is no alternative to the U.S. currency makes little sense.

    By Stephen Roach
    15 June 2020, 8:00 am AEST







    Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...?sref=fIqbqIlF

    The United States' power rests in its ability to pay for its troops and keep its people distracted with entertainment and cheap food as well as bribing foreign leaders around the world The pandemic and the recession have destroyed all of that hence why we are seeing the US undergoing religious hysteria in the form of BLM along with ethnic tensions driven by a decadent ruling class and an explosion in violent attacks by young males of military age who are unable to find a wife.

    The USG has tried to do what previous governments have done in the past: dilute the currency via overspending and printing money eg Trump's QE-infinity, and the Fed's brrrr brrr brrr printing. This is unsustainable and cannot last.
    Worries about the global economy have traditionally encouraged buying of dollars along with other havens because of the perception of the U.S. as a stable economy and currency. Roach, however, says that growing deficits will eventually change that perception and deliver a gut punch to the greenback.
    Source: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/th...?mod=home-page

    A decline by its very definition is not an instantaneous thing, so we will be revisiting this topic at certain intervals as history unfolds.

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    So very Malthusian.

    I tend to see the fact that the United States can experience crippling race riots at the same time as a once in a century pandemic and economic shutdown, and still hold an election as a sign of strength.

    It's hardly the first time the place has seen riots, political polarisation, cultural dissonance, financial instability...

    But hey... gotta play the narrative to sell a few clicks. People will click out of interest, engage out of disagreement or agreement, and by the time they'e through they've made the advertisers several cents.
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    Perhaps, but i wouldn't be so optimistic this time around; the last time there were race riots etc the american secret police (FBI) barely kept it together and only managed to maintain control by assassinating key black figures like martin luther king and Malcolm X.

    In this instance, the US' currency is under threat, since they will no longer be able to pay away their problems if other countries refuse.

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    We've heard it all before.

    Don’t Believe the China Hype



    The coronavirus pandemic seems to cement the notion that China is replacing the United States as the world’s premier economic superpower.

    Should we have expected anything else? After all, as the conventional wisdom goes, the Chinese make everything; Americans just pack the stuff into Amazon boxes. Beijing plays the long game; we can’t think beyond the next election or quarterly earnings report. China cracked down hard to grapple with the coronavirus and now appears to be on the mend; the U.S. is still languishing, as the death toll mounts and anti-racism protests grip the country.

    Well, maybe not: With China, things aren’t always what they seem. Many apparent Chinese strengths—including education, manufacturing, and technology—aren’t quite as strong as many Americans believe. And neither are China’s chances of surpassing the U.S., something policy makers and pundits in Washington should keep in mind as they fret over Beijing’s ostensibly growing might.

    China’s rise has often been presented as a historical inevitability: A decadent America, stretched to the breaking point by its global commitments, and weary of its superpower burdens, will give way to the more focused, organized, and motivated up-and-comer. Pax Americana will join Pax Britannica and Pax Romana in the dustbin of history. Ray Dalio, the founder of the hedge fund Bridgewater Associates, has placed China’s emergence within a long-established cycle of global power, comparing its ascent today to the rise of Britain after the Industrial Revolution, and the Dutch Republic, which created a seaborne empire in the 17th century.

    The Chinese propaganda machine enjoys reinforcing this perception of American decline. Amid the pandemic and protests, Chinese media have contrasted Beijing’s (supposedly) superior virus-fighting techniques with the enfeebled response of the Trump administration, claiming that Chinese governance is superior to American democracy. Adding in the tumult caused by the death of George Floyd, the Global Times, a Communist Party–run newspaper, wrote that “Chinese analysts” were warning that “the U.S. has become a ‘failed state.’”

    Historians, journalists, and experts have been predicting the United States’ demise for decades. In the 1980s, Japan seemed destined to overtake the U.S. as the world’s top economy, propelled, much like China today, by state-led economic policies deemed superior to America’s laissez-faire capitalism. But Japan didn’t have the mojo many believed: Its economy never fully recovered from a catastrophic financial crisis in the early ’90s, and the business practices once considered world-beaters are today derided.

    Can China do better? Sure, it will almost certainly continue to gain wealth and influence. But to become No. 1, Beijing must overcome hurdles even higher than Japan’s, while the U.S. has retained a host of advantages that are often overlooked or underappreciated.

    Forgotten is the gargantuan lead the U.S. still holds by just about every measure, even after China’s four decades of hypersonic economic growth. The total output of the U.S. economy was $20.5 trillion in 2018, significantly larger than China’s $13.6 trillion. Calculated on a per-person basis, the gap is even more glaring.

    But these indicators don’t capture the true extent of the American edge. Derek Scissors, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), argues that a much better comparison is of national wealth—the value of real estate, stocks, and other assets—because it accumulates over time. By this metric, Americans remain significantly richer than the Chinese. In one estimate, U.S. household wealth was $106 trillion in mid-2019, Scissors noted in a recent report, compared with an estimated $64 trillion for China.

    Nor is China challenging the American position at the core of global finance. Even though the size of Chinese stock markets continues to swell, controls on foreign share ownership and cross-border capital flows have relegated them to the international sidelines. In times of stress, such as the coronavirus pandemic, global investors don’t flee to Chinese bonds as a safe haven, but to U.S. treasuries. And despite the persistent worries about China’s currency contesting the primacy of the dollar, the tightly managed renminbi remains a bit player: According to data from the financial services network Swift, the renminbi was used in a measly 1 percent of international payments in April, compared with the greenback’s 48 percent share.

    Even where China does have an edge, it’s not as dominant as it first appears. We assume Americans don’t make anything because the “Made in China” label is so ubiquitous. China did account for 28 percent of global manufacturing in 2018, according to United Nations data. But the U.S. is no industrial slouch, with nearly a 17 percent share—almost triple that of Germany’s vaunted factories. The U.S. also tends to produce highly engineered products, such as airplanes and chips, that are difficult for China to replicate. Beijing has invested heavily in developing a commercial jet to compete with Boeing and Airbus, but the project has suffered from lengthy delays and embarrassing technical glitches. Nor is China a more competitive economy for manufacturing: The costs of operating a factory in the U.S. and China are roughly equivalent, because American workers are far more productive than their Chinese counterparts.

    The U.S. holds the upper hand in something even more crucial: technology. There is talk of a “tech war” between the U.S. and China, as Beijing’s policy makers rush to create global competitors in everything from electric vehicles to 5G telecom systems. But at the moment, that “war” is barely a skirmish: Despite a quarter century of effort and huge state financial support, China’s semiconductor firms lag badly behind their American rivals in design and know-how. “China is still far from achieving anything close to overall independence or even leadership in any specific segment of the sector,” a study by the Center for Strategic & International Studies concluded. U.S. tech giants such as Facebook, Alphabet, and Twitter are truly global enterprises, attracting users from every corner of the planet; their Chinese counterparts—firms such as Tencent, Baidu, and Sina Weibo—have struggled to expand beyond the Chinese border. Even in areas where the Chinese are making huge strides, they’re not leaving the U.S. in the dust. While China is excelling at putting artificial intelligence into commercial use, the U.S. is still better at developing the tools, theories, and chips that power AI and the computers to make it work.

    China may find that catching up is hard to do. Its students have been flooding into U.S. colleges for a reason: China’s higher education system compares poorly with its U.S. counterpart. In one ranking of the world’s best universities, the first Chinese entry, Peking University, doesn’t appear until number 92—after 50 American ones. Professors and students at Chinese colleges aren’t allowed to speak, write, or study freely, either. A new index of academic freedom, released in March, ranked China behind such paragons of intellectual openness as Cuba and Iran.

    All of this means China is vulnerable to falling into the “middle-income trap.” That’s where many high-growth, emerging economies tend to end up: After reaching a comfortable level of income, they stall and struggle to leap into the ranks of the world’s most advanced economies, held back by their inability to become more productive and innovative. Only a small handful of developing nations, including South Korea and Singapore, have managed that jump in recent times.


    There are indications that China could get stuck in this snare. The heavy hand of the state in China’s economy—a source of envy for many U.S. policy makers—may be dragging it down. Bureaucrats direct bank loans, subsidies, and other resources to notoriously bloated and inefficient state-owned enterprises, loss-making “zombie” companies, and useless infrastructure projects, amassing a potentially destabilizing mountain of debt and killing off much-needed productivity gains. Add in a shrinking workforce—fallout from the one-child policy—an inadequate welfare system, and a waste-ridden property sector, and China may be primed for economic turmoil as much as triumph.

    Of course, none of this means that China is not a threat to the United States—economically, strategically, and ideologically. Beijing will continue to expand its political clout and beef up its military capabilities. But its grand ambitions could be hamstrung if its economic miracle falters.
    The economic challenges facing China have possible implications for U.S. policy. Rather than worrying so much about what Beijing is up to, Washington might be better off focusing on the home front and enhancing American advantages over China, by, for instance, strengthening the education system and investing in research and development.

    “Is China going to displace the U.S. as the dominant economic power? No,” AEI’s Scissors told me. “If we handle our own policies correctly, the Chinese can’t catch us.”
    The simple fact remains that, were China as great and superior in every way as you claim, you wouldn't need to spend day after day desperately trying to convince people you don't even know of it.

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    Intriguing, sadly this thread is about the decline of the United States, not the Ascension of China (though i don't mind starting another thread about that either).

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    It has to be part of the human condition to believe we live in historic times. The early Christians certainly felt the End Times were just around the corner, and there had to be a lot of Romans who felt Rome was 'finished' multiple times over the centuries of civil war and internal strife. This is all just moral panic and doomsday-thrill seeking and it makes sense for a culture that churns out more and more apocalyptic pieces of culture every year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kritias View Post
    It has to be part of the human condition to believe we live in historic times. The early Christians certainly felt the End Times were just around the corner, and there had to be a lot of Romans who felt Rome was 'finished' multiple times over the centuries of civil war and internal strife. This is all just moral panic and doomsday-thrill seeking and it makes sense for a culture that churns out more and more apocalyptic pieces of culture every year.
    The United States is a young country, it barely survived the last civil war and time will only tell if it survives this current cold civil war; personally i don't have much faith in the survival of the United States since the mass of young, unemployed males of military age are causing too much damage and chaos in american society and are unfit for military service for america's war machine. It's actually very similar to the problems that caused the Arab Spring: too many young, unemployed males of military age unable to find a woman when too many american females would rather become prostitutes via OnlyFans than become a wife and mother and help raise the next generation.

    Furthermore, the rot in the Institutions of the United States is akin to the rot in too many failing states, thanks for Coughdrop Addict, we have this:
    Why America’s Institutions Are Failing

    The country’s law-enforcement and public-health systems are flunking 2020’s test.
    JUNE 16, 2020





    Source: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...ailing/613078/

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    The United States is a young country, it barely survived the last civil war and time will only tell if it survives this current cold civil war; personally i don't have much faith in the survival of the United States since the mass of young, unemployed males of military age are causing too much damage and chaos in american society and are unfit for military service for america's war machine. It's actually very similar to the problems that caused the Arab Spring: too many young, unemployed males of military age unable to find a woman when too many american females would rather become prostitutes via OnlyFans than become a wife and mother and help raise the next generation.
    Nowhere in this paragraph do you address the massive poverty within the employed classes. Nowhere do you describe that it could be more an outcome of not being able to get by through full employment, not to mention while working two or even three jobs. It's certainly true for women who are pushed to accommodate a growing sex industry in porn, with thousands of new girls entering the sets every year, or through selling their own privates and bodily fluids to strangers, or using webcams to make ends meet. It's certainly true for men who feel ashamed to go out with young women when they can't even provide the basics of a meal and a conversation and ashamed to be a burden on their families even though they are working. Or those who have to enlist and fly half-across the world to kill foreigners for companies, only to find themselves homeless and forgotten after the fact with only a pat in the back and a thank you for your service in return.


    A crisis is just a conflict of contradictions in a society, and once a temporal solution is found people will go back to their homes and miserable lives with the power dynamics restored. But of course it could be because the catastrophic tendencies of men are not channeled in the military and because women do not want to raise kids they can not even feed. Please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kritias View Post
    Nowhere in this paragraph do you address the massive poverty within the employed classes. Nowhere do you describe that it could be more an outcome of not being able to get by through full employment, not to mention while working two or even three jobs. It's certainly true for women who are pushed to accommodate a growing sex industry in porn, with thousands of new girls entering the sets every year, or through selling their own privates and bodily fluids to strangers, or using webcams to make ends meet. It's certainly true for men who feel ashamed to go out with young women when they can't even provide the basics of a meal and a conversation and ashamed to be a burden on their families even though they are working. Or those who have to enlist and fly half-across the world to kill foreigners for companies, only to find themselves homeless and forgotten after the fact with only a pat in the back and a thank you for your service in return.


    A crisis is just a conflict of contradictions in a society, and once a temporal solution is found people will go back to their homes and miserable lives with the power dynamics restored. But of course it could be because the catastrophic tendencies of men are not channeled in the military and because women do not want to raise kids they can not even feed. Please.
    You raise excellent points in the crisis in sexual dynamics in american society, but it appears to me that a solution, temporal or otherwise, remains elusive.

    This generation is the most celibate in years:
    Many young men are shunning sex. Is it because feminism and #MeToo are constant reminders of the inferiority of male identity?


    Source: https://www.rt.com/op-ed/491852-men-celibacy-sex-metoo/

    You have a large population of young males who are not meaningfully employed, don't have money from decent employment to take girls out on dates and even if they do, they have to compete with much older and wealthier males, usually boomers or Gen-Xers who are more established and users of Sugar Baby sites and Seeking Arrangements.

    This is not a sustainable model for society, and those angry young men who are penniless and lacking sex are either going to end up as celibates or react violently not unlike what was observed in the Calhoun Mouse Utopia experiment. Taking the model of the Arab World, a lot of the disenfranchised arab youth ended up fighting for Islamic State and we're already seeing the same effects today in the West with the re-rise of Nazism and "race realists" and "blood and soil" type paramilitaries.

    Have you ever heard an older gent from past generations say something to the effect of "we need another war" because they hope it will bring the country back into 1950s style conservatism? That's how you get a nation in decline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    You raise excellent points in the crisis in sexual dynamics in american society, but it appears to me that a solution, temporal or otherwise, remains elusive.

    This generation is the most celibate in years:

    Source: https://www.rt.com/op-ed/491852-men-celibacy-sex-metoo/

    You have a large population of young males who are not meaningfully employed, don't have money from decent employment to take girls out on dates and even if they do, they have to compete with much older and wealthier males, usually boomers or Gen-Xers who are more established and users of Sugar Baby sites and Seeking Arrangements.

    This is not a sustainable model for society, and those angry young men who are penniless and lacking sex are either going to end up as celibates or react violently not unlike what was observed in the Calhoun Mouse Utopia experiment. Taking the model of the Arab World, a lot of the disenfranchised arab youth ended up fighting for Islamic State and we're already seeing the same effects today in the West with the re-rise of Nazism and "race realists" and "blood and soil" type paramilitaries.

    Have you ever heard an older gent from past generations say something to the effect of "we need another war" because they hope it will bring the country back into 1950s style conservatism? That's how you get a nation in decline.
    I beg your pardon, but most young people today are employed meaningfully. You could also say, in the case of a catastrophe like a natural disaster or a pandemic, that many of them are 'essentially' employed. The problem is the system's answer to their essential employment is to agree that its essential but not essential enough to earn a living wage. Which causes a lot of them to fight on with two or three jobs. Only when these incomes don't break even do you see people turning to "innovative" measures as Robert Merton would call it.

    The Calhoun Mouse Utopia ended in mouse cannibalism. The current crisis, hopefully, won't be near as dramatic.

    Also, again you seem to believe that the most important thing for social stability is sex and you correlate this with a lack of cash. It's an interesting approach, for sure, but unsupportable; here in Greece during the economic crisis sex rates went up, not down, with Greeks topping the world (check last page of findings) in 2005, reporting more than 130 sexy times in a year. At the same time according to the bank of Greece [1] around or more than 50% couldn't pay their credit cards, their loans, their rent, or their utility bills.

    Is it maybe that the falling status of employment is to blame? I certainly believe so. According to the research "Class, Status and Power" what seems to be happening is that the voters who perceive they are closer to a fall in class and status classifications will swing to the right. So, the more you're afraid you're becoming poorer and less important in your community/city/nation etc, the more you tend to move to conservationism (ie the call for a return to the good old days). I am not saying conservativism like the political party, but conservationism as in trying to stabilize social stratification by, among other means, calling for or making underclasses (ie immigrants).
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    Mass unemployment in the heart of America witnesses scenes not seen since the Great Depression: long lines of americans, snaking their way across city blocks to file for benefits.



    Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/business/bus...fices-n1231367



    Quote Originally Posted by Kritias View Post
    I beg your pardon, but most young people today are employed meaningfully. You could also say, in the case of a catastrophe like a natural disaster or a pandemic, that many of them are 'essentially' employed. The problem is the system's answer to their essential employment is to agree that its essential but not essential enough to earn a living wage. Which causes a lot of them to fight on with two or three jobs. Only when these incomes don't break even do you see people turning to "innovative" measures as Robert Merton would call it..
    I'd consider that a problem of underemployment; many of these young people who work "essential" jobs at Starbucks etc are bound to have College degrees, and are unable to find work that would require that degree. Needless to say, the College debt is a ticking time bomb as well, impeding young peoples' abilities to save and raise families.

    The Calhoun Mouse Utopia ended in mouse cannibalism. The current crisis, hopefully, won't be near as dramatic.
    i'd take mouse cannibalism as being equivalent to the human version of civil revolt/revolution. In the context of economic breakdown, many civilisations in the past have similarly broken down when they were unable to receive their usual food and entertainment.


    Also, again you seem to believe that the most important thing for social stability is sex and you correlate this with a lack of cash. It's an interesting approach, for sure, but unsupportable;
    Absolutely, sex is the prime motivator of every man and woman, save for the very very small minority who are asexual- and you see this in the behaviour of americans. Specifically the Americans who are unable to convince a woman to give him sex such as famed Incel shooter, Elliot Rodger.


    here in Greece during the economic crisis sex rates went up, not down, with Greeks topping the world (check last page of findings) in 2005, reporting more than 130 sexy times in a year. At the same time according to the bank of Greece [1] around or more than 50% couldn't pay their credit cards, their loans, their rent, or their utility bills.

    Greece, indeed Europe isn't the United States where people are expected to be at each others' throats; Greece has a better social safety net and prostitution is legal, not to mention family and social life and more important to Greeks which does wonders for one's needs according to Maslow's hierarchy.
    Americans have neither, and are therefore more likely to lash out in violence if they are not drugged with anti depressants.


    Is it maybe that the falling status of employment is to blame? I certainly believe so. According to the research "Class, Status and Power" what seems to be happening is that the voters who perceive they are closer to a fall in class and status classifications will swing to the right. So, the more you're afraid you're becoming poorer and less important in your community/city/nation etc, the more you tend to move to conservationism (ie the call for a return to the good old days). I am not saying conservativism like the political party, but conservationism as in trying to stabilize social stratification by, among other means, calling for or making underclasses (ie immigrants)
    Fantastic point, yes it is absolutely a perception of "relative decline" that compels dissatisfaction and a feeling that one is not "keeping up with the Jones'" that causes these feelings of inadequacy resulting in extreme swings to the Right or Left on the political spectrum.
    It certainly accounts for events since 2017 with the race riots, street fights and neo nazism.

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    How Hegemony Ends

    The Unraveling of American Power
    Source: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...-hegemony-ends
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    Scientific racism and social darwinism is not the thread topic. Please keep your posts related to the decline or perceived decline of the USA.
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    Only 3-4 months later and evidence is starting to mount of the obvious decline of the United States; we have political violence, attempted militias kidnapping of government officials and now the american deity has show his disfavour by relinquishing the Mandate of Heaven and expressed God's Will by afflicting the leader of the nation with the plague.
    Much like the leper king of Jerusalem, the United States' decline is symbolised by typhoid trump and the COVID cluster of the White House afflicting government officials.

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    Only 3-4 months later and evidence is starting to mount of the obvious decline of the United States; we have political violence, attempted militias kidnapping of government officials and now the american deity has show his disfavour by relinquishing the Mandate of Heaven and expressed God's Will by afflicting the leader of the nation with the plague.
    Do you have an actual random generator to produce statements like that?

    Much like the leper king of Jerusalem, the United States' decline is symbolised by typhoid trump and the COVID cluster of the White House afflicting government officials.
    Good thing we are elected democrat republic so the president is not the land and the land is not the president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kritias View Post
    I beg your pardon, but most young people today are employed meaningfully. You could also say, in the case of a catastrophe like a natural disaster or a pandemic, that many of them are 'essentially' employed. The problem is the system's answer to their essential employment is to agree that its essential but not essential enough to earn a living wage.
    "Essential worker" is such a misnomer where low skilled labour is concerned. Only the work they do is essential. They themselves are expendable. There are signs this may be a major contributor to the ongoing pandemic, because with no financial reserves and no welfare to fall back on, they have no choice but to continue working even when they are sick/contagious. It would be against the 'American way' to do something about that though.

    More importantly in the context of this admittedly highly erratic thread topic, Victorian Britain is proof a fast growing under class living and working in increasingly abysmal conditions is no obstacle to a nation reaching and maintaining unchallenged economic and geopolitical dominance. It may even be a plus.
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    The US seems a very long way from destruction. That said, there is a more or less open conspiracy to replace the president with an unelected ruler, a monarchy if you will, but that coup will be heralded by a trumpet.

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    The US seems a very long way from destruction. That said, there is a more or less open conspiracy to replace the president with an unelected ruler, a monarchy if you will, but that coup will be heralded by a trumpet.


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    Seemed like a good reference given the rant, but you right its awkward as I typed it.

    On you point about cosperacy. Not so sure it amounts to besides its the Judges I worry more about.
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    Default Re: The Decline Of The United States of America

    Quote Originally Posted by conon394 View Post
    Good thing we are elected democrat republic so the president is not the land and the land is not the president.
    You can't help but look at the mass natural disasters affecting the United States from the plague, the red skies over California, the hurricanes and the riots in the street to not accept that the United States is in a precarious state and in an obvious state of decline.

    To the evangelical christians who form a core part of this administration like Pence and Pompeo, Trump's infection with COVID-19 is a clear sign of God's disfavour. The fact that the Pope refuses to meet a self proclaimed Godly man like Pompeo tells you just how far the United States has strayed. Excalibur references aside, the chattering classes in western journalism wax lyrical about such mandates of heaven when it comes to say the PRC so it's natural to assume they would hold such views of the United States.



    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    The US seems a very long way from destruction. That said, there is a more or less open conspiracy to replace the president with an unelected ruler, a monarchy if you will, but that coup will be heralded by a trumpet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conon394 View Post
    Seemed like a good reference given the rant, but you right its awkward as I typed it.

    On you point about cosperacy. Not so sure it amounts to besides its the Judges I worry more about.
    Actually the constitutional crisis when it comes to the appointment of supreme court judges and the evident corruption therein is a clear sign of the need for change in the United States. That there is clear infighting and conspiracies amongst the ruling classes of the United States and the 'cold civil war' portends a future of civil strife especially in the upcoming election.

    However, and more pointedly to this topic, there is another more serious indication of the decline of the Anglo dominated United States: declining birth rates of white americans, the prostitution of white american females, and the death of the petrodollar.

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