Curia and Staff - what should we elect?

[Tacticalwithdrawal]

Right, probably the most contentious of my little monologues but here goes

I don't think the Curia needs to elect moderators, it's a distraction that has caused so much pain recently, whatever the source of that pain. The real issue is that I think the Curia has far, far more important jobs to do then electing (from a Hex-agreed shortlist) who should and should not be allowed to moderate our glorious posts.

I would far rather see a much more radical approach to Curia ivolvement in staff. Lets stop trying to meddle with the police-force (which is daft, they need to be left to get on with their jobs - we can always feed back if we are not happy), lets instead ask for a place at the top table

The whole vision I have for the curia is as a central driver for the development of the site, the place where ideas for the future are hammered out and placed before the owner to see if we can do them. Let staff get on with their job of keeping the site running smoothly, I want the Curia to have the job of setting the site's direction.

So, I'd like to see an elected member of Hex, a voice at that top table. Give the person the role of Content manager and let them face ratification by hex by all means (they all have to work together) but have a citizens rep in Hex.

I'd also like to see the Curator elected and (possibly) have membership of the staff forum.

This way the Curia has influence over the direction of the site, but at the same time leaves staff alone to do their job.

Comments/suggestions/brickbats......

Other monologues - please contribute to them:

• What is the Curia good for? an appeal.... http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...93#post1467293
• Curia scope - what should we be doing, and how? http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...63#post1467363
• Curia and Modders - should be a central part of the site, but how? http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=80548

[MoROmeTe]

Are we mantaining the Hex, with 6 members? Are we going for a Trium, 3 members? Cause in a Triumvirate I can see sothing like: first amongst equals, imb; modder amongst equals, a Triumvirate member ellected by the modding community and confirmed by imb; citizen amongst equals, elected by the Patricians and ratified by imb. How does that sound?

[therussian]

Are we mantaining the Hex, with 6 members? Are we going for a Trium, 3 members? Cause in a Triumvirate I can see sothing like: first amongst equals, imb; modder amongst equals, a Triumvirate member ellected by the modding community and confirmed by imb; citizen amongst equals, elected by the Patricians and ratified by imb. How does that sound?

Agreed, I was thinking of a small group of elected "higher ups", of course imb being there by default.

Though I think that the vote for the last position should be open for Civitates as well as patricians.

Now, for the second position, how would that work? It would not be only artifexes, would it? Or would the election also include other non-artifex modders?

[the Black Prince]

This is what i would like to see as well...

I think the curia is better involved in site direction, which, to some extend could also involve moderation policy in generalities. i like the police for example. Local Police Authorities are not responsible for the appointment and promotion of individual police constables.

[Kscott]

it's a distraction that has caused so much pain recently

like?

[gigagaia]

I honestly don't necesarily see a need to elect staff, just have mechanisms to make staff somewhat accountable and transparent to the curia; the curia's focus I think should be on the community's development and not necessarily its moderation per se. While elections aren't necessarily a bad thing, just that they aren't really what the curia should be focused on.
The curia's primary focus in decision making should be content-and community focused, I think. Setting up content and projects, running them and making the community work for the members who compose it. Making it modding friendly, encouraging literature and culture and developing a vibrant community. Electing moderators is somewhat irrelevant to this, I think, and so should be fairly low on the list of priorities at this point.

As to who we elect with respect to community development, I'd like to raise the possibility of reintroducing my curial-officer's bill...

[Sétanta]

We can do a couple things.

• Elect 1 member of Hex
• Elect some moderators
• Elect all moderators
• Elect no members of Staff but have "Tribunes" that are not moderators but have access to the Staff forums and resport back to the Curia

[therussian]

[*]Elect no members of Staff but have "Tribunes" that are not moderators but have access to the Staff forums and report back to the Curia[/LIST]

While I do think that that would be a good idea, it just adds one more unnecessary rank, where the problem could just be solved by one or more Curia selected Hex/Triumvirate members.

[Perikles]

Personally I would like to see 1 Hex member acting as Curator elected by the Curia. I would also like to see a 'Curial Veto' (which can only be out done by an uber-imb veto) sort of thing but that is for another time I suppose.

[Søren]

Personally I would like to see 1 Hex member acting as Curator elected by the Curia.

Completely unecessary. Far better to let the Curia stay out of staff affairs entirely, other than making suggestions - imb, as site owner, can be a reasonable safeguard of the community (and more pertinently the "establishment").

I would also like to see a 'Curial Veto' (which can only be out done by an uber-imb veto) sort of thing but that is for another time I suppose.

No.

[scottishranger]

Imb can veto the veto... sounds good.


I like he idea of the Curia having a "Tribune" in the staff forum.

Really I like everyhting that has been suggested here, some I wish I had thought up. Nice post Tac.

[Søren]

Imb can veto the veto... sounds good.

Why? What possible value could a curial veto have? It's just another layer of bureaucracy to waste everyone's time with.

[Belisarius]

A possible toy that could add entertainment?

[Søren]

A possible toy that could add entertainment?

Negatives

-Complicate things unecessarly
-Slow down staff handling
-Add extra time to procedures
-Cause Curia involvement in staff affairs --> conflict
-Cause "politicisation"

Positives

Diplomatic rendition:

The proposed change seems to serve no larger purpose than to inflate the combined self-respect, collectivly, to proportions of which it might seem expedient to ensure that they are not reached in any extant point of time in the immediate or indeed for that matter, possible sequence of happenings in the future in accordance with a linear perception of four dimensional reality.

Blunt rendition:

Civitates will feel they have larger weeners.

[therussian]

Civitates will feel they have larger weeners.

The only positive any civitate will ever need







Except maybe Kat, Makanyane and Nerwen

[Garbarsardar]

The Curia never created problems in the Staff. This is an old myth and should be finally dispelled.

The ownership and the Staff used the Curia in multiple instances as an excuse for their blunders and shortcomings.

I briefly remind you Besim who crashed the site because of technical incompetence the anti-Archer staff "coup" and the older story of the then Hex publicising the RTR chat logs.

All this controversy stemmed from in-staff problems but mostly from the distance the owner had from the site. The distance that created a space full of whispers, rumours and backstabbing.

This is not possible anymore.

I understand that some friends here are still afraid of such eventualities but I sincerely believe that the mindset that precipitated all this is quite impossible to re-appear.

The Curia should be re-instated to its advisory role. That probably entails a series of checks and balances:

First line moderators election
Election of the Curator (or a Tribunus Plebis)
Hex veto with detailed justification
Hex approval of candidates with detailed justification

The way I imagine the System is the following:

imb39 as imperator with two technical advisers as "Consuls": those three have ftp and mysql access

+5 global moderators+Curator=Hex

Hex members are made from the first line moderators that are elected.

[Wild Bill Kelso]

[QUOTE=Tacticalwithdrawal;1467341]

Comments/suggestions/brickbats......
[QUOTE]
Here is my suggestion:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=80197

The details still need to be worked out, but I think my delegation of roles between appointed and elected duties would work for us.

WBK

[John I Tzimisces]

Hex with six members garb? Are you mad??

[Garbarsardar]

I counted 9.

Imperator plus Consuls plus Global moderators plus Curator...but there could easily be more.

[John I Tzimisces]

Ah didn't notice the first +. All is well.

Specialized staff so to speak?
Ala...content manager, liason to CA, "Simetrical" (hehe)...