Death of George Floyd and Subsequent Riots.

[Common Soldier]

o.o

I have never heard of that case but would love to hear about it too.

For now would you share the Reverse Trayvon case you mentioned? Not that I am calling you a liar. I just want to learn about it. Couldn’t find it on google. Not even on the sites for crazies.

Please share the case
Share the Case
Share the Case

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The case is here: https://radioviceonline.com/media-ro...chris-cervini/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/roderick-scott/



A few key points:

1. The white student die not touch the black Scott. This is unlike Zimmerman, who showed physical.signs of assault by Martin.

2. The companions of the white kid killed, Cervini, dispute and contradict Scott's testimony

3. The police say the white kid who was killed was shot in the back, which is consistent with the testimony of his companions, who claim the kid Cervini was running away not charging at Scott as Scott claims.

4. No physical evidence that cooroborates Scott's testimony that he was being charged by his victim, and his claims are disputrd by eyewitnesses. In contrast, all the physical evidence in Zimmerman's support what Zimmerman said - grass stains on his back, the gunpowder residue, the injuries on his face and back of his head.

6. Scott fired multiple times (2) while Zimmerman only fired once.

7. Cervini did have a couple of other companions but they were walking away and not threatening Scott by Scott's own testimony.

8. It is alleged by Scott the people he saw were hreaking into cars, but that apparwnrly consisted of checking to.see if the cars were unlocked. There was evidence by Scott's own testimony that these people displayed any violent behaviour nor did Scott have any legitimate reason to think the kids were armed.

9. The president did not.get inovled in the killing

10. The shooting happened severals years before rhe Trayvon Martin shooting.

The fact that you were not aware of the case says a lot about thr reporting of.the media and its bias, doesn't it?

[wanderwegger]

Does say a lot about the news media in 2009, although might me I missed it because I was 10. Even fox wouldn't touch it; could indicate there is more to the case because Fox is known to love stories like this. Might consider Scott being charged immediately instead of his lawyer playing it out in the media and the feds hovering played a part.. No phone call either to 911 saying I am going after them.

I agree. This is enlightening. The only clear definitive difference was that one was a case of a man confronting a group of 3 people committing a crime for that reason, while the other is the case of a man accosting a 17 year old walking down the street because he was black and in a hoodie.

Impressed the case existed though. Let me go back through your posts. I think I can find more questions to ask and information is my favorite.

I have never heard of that case but would love to hear about it too.

For now would you share the Reverse Trayvon case you mentioned? Not that I am calling you a liar. I just want to learn about it. Couldn’t find it on google. Not even on the sites for crazies.

Please share the case
Share the Case
Share the Case

picture a slow clap scene[/QUOTE]


The case is here: https://radioviceonline.com/media-ro...chris-cervini/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/roderick-scott/



A few key points:

1. The white student die not touch the black Scott. This is unlike Zimmerman, who showed physical.signs of assault by Martin.

2. The companions of the white kid killed, Cervini, dispute and contradict Scott's testimony

3. The police say the white kid who was killed was shot in the back, which is consistent with the testimony of his companions, who claim the kid Cervini was running away not charging at Scott as Scott claims.

4. No physical evidence that cooroborates Scott's testimony that he was being charged by his victim, and his claims are disputrd by eyewitnesses. In contrast, all the physical evidence in Zimmerman's support what Zimmerman said - grass stains on his back, the gunpowder residue, the injuries on his face and back of his head.

6. Scott fired multiple times (2) while Zimmerman only fired once.

7. Cervini did have a couple of other companions but they were walking away and not threatening Scott by Scott's own testimony.

8. It is alleged by Scott the people he saw were hreaking into cars, but that apparwnrly consisted of checking to.see if the cars were unlocked. There was evidence by Scott's own testimony that these people displayed any violent behaviour nor did Scott have any legitimate reason to think the kids were armed.

9. The president did not.get inovled in the killing

10. The shooting happened severals years before rhe Trayvon Martin shooting.

The fact that you were not aware of the case says a lot about thr reporting of.the media and its bias, doesn't it?[/QUOTE]

[Common Soldier]

Thats the point. Its why he is shifting the focus from the story to how i worded it. Its why he's actually not discussing what the police found about the man or why they claim he's a member of the Hells Angles or his ties to the Aryan Brotherhood.

What evidence? The police have not presented any. They have a suspect, based apparently just on an email, with no actual evidence to link him to being the Umbrella Man, which is why thr police have not arrested the suspect.


Gievn how the police would really like to pin the crime on an ex con racist in this case (Aryan Cowboy Brotherhood is a prison gang), there a lot of room for doubt. Since the suspect is not arrested, it sounda like is all they have is someone's email, likely made anonymously, linkijt him to crime.


It is you who, having distrusted the police, now suddenly trust everything the police say. Again, what actual evidence do the police have to support their view? They didn't claim to have any eyewitnesses to identify the suspect, they only claim to have an email. And the fact the police are claiming, despite other claim$s, that the protest are all peaceful until Umbrella Man came along indicates the police are woekikg to blame the violence on the white supremacist.

Given how badly the police handled rhe whole affair, it would definitely help them if they could pin this on a white supremacist, it could win them.badly needed brownie points.

It is not the first time.that police have bowed political pressure. The police were originally not going to charge Zimmerman, it was under political pressure from Obama's Whitehouse.that they changed their mind, and disregarded a clear case of self defense. So would a police department under a lot political heat as Mineapolis is try to drum up charges if they could? Heck yes, we have seen it happen before.

Again, what actual evidence have the police provided to support their claims? The fact they are making claims without.any real evidence to back them up up is proof of their bias and, untrustworthiness. They should not be making a claim.they have identified the person before they had actual evidence. They have a suspect, and now they are trying get the evidence, but they clearly don't have it yet. The idea of innocent until proven guilty only applies apparenrly to people that liberals like or agree with.


Now, after they get their information, they will have the evidence to prove their claim, so we will see. If we don't have an arrest in thr next few days we will have an answer.






It is typical of liberals

[wanderwegger]

What evidence? The police have not presented any. They have a suspect, based apparently just on an email, with no actual evidence to link him to being the Umbrella Man, which is why thr police have not arrested the suspect.


Gievn how the police would really like to pin the crime on an ex con racist in this case (Aryan Cowboy Brotherhood is a prison gang), there a lot of room for doubt. Since the suspect is not arrested, it sounda like is all they have is someone's email, likely made anonymously, linkijt him to crime.


It is you who, having distrusted the police, now suddenly trust everything the police say. Again, what actual evidence do the police have to support their view? They didn't claim to have any eyewitnesses to identify the suspect, they only claim to have an email. And the fact the police are claiming, despite other claim$s, that the protest are all peaceful until Umbrella Man came along indicates the police are woekikg to blame the violence on the white supremacist.

Given how badly the police handled rhe whole affair, it would definitely help them if they could pin this on a white supremacist, it could win them.badly needed brownie points.

It is not the first time.that police have bowed political pressure. The police were originally not going to charge Zimmerman, it was under political pressure from Obama's Whitehouse.that they changed their mind, and disregarded a clear case of self defense. So would a police department under a lot political heat as Mineapolis is try to drum up charges if they could? Heck yes, we have seen it happen before.

Again, what actual evidence have the police provided to support their claims? The fact they are making claims without.any real evidence to back them up up is proof of their bias and, untrustworthiness. They should not be making a claim.they have identified the person before they had actual evidence. They have a suspect, and now they are trying get the evidence, but they clearly don't have it yet. The idea of innocent until proven guilty only applies apparenrly to people that liberals like or agree with.


Now, after they get their information, they will have the evidence to prove their claim, so we will see. If we don't have an arrest in thr next few days we will have an answer.






It is typical of liberals

Define liberal for me. I understand they are a homogenous bloc when it comes to some things in your definition. What is the reminder of your criteria to be a liberal?

[Common Soldier]

Define liberal for me. I understand they are a homogenous bloc when it comes to some things in your definition. What is the reminder of your criteria to be a liberal?

No group is homgenous and agree on everything. Howeverin this case, a liberal used here is ok in applying whatever method and means they can get away with as long as it promotes social.justice and what they deem worthy goals. Liberals find it ok.to.lie, as.long as they.don't get caught. They.reject the ideas they have to play by the same rule if those rules.and the truth doesn't produce the.proper results.


So a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty unless that does not promote the liberal social agenda of social change, and racial gender equality, equality being the equality of outcome, it being assumed.differences of.condition must be due to inequality of treatment. Any pay differences between men and women, for example, must be because of bias against women and not any other factor. If the presumption of innocence.does not.promote the right social goals, it can be abandoned, as can freedom of speech. If speech is deemed.to be hate.speech, it can be censored, although it won't be called.censorship.

For example, NBC edicted the Zimmerman telephone call in the Trayvon Martin shooting to givr a misleading impression. NBC eventually fired 3 persons over that, but not.so.much because it was dishonest but because.because NBC got caught and it made NBC and the racial narrative they were trying to sell look bad https://deadline.com/2012/05/third-p...-audio-266597/. When Trump won, a.group of major Hollywood liberals tried to get the Electors forgo.their legal and moral.duty and not vote the way they were elected to. When they don't like judicial nominee, they will use any means possible to block it. They had to go back.30 years in his college.days dig up dirt to block Cavanaugh's nomination, and even then it sas totally unconvincing, the sleazily tried the same thing mwith Clarence Thomas, they sat on Bork's nomination for months so.they could organized an unprecented.tv campaign to block it.

Lying is horrble and people should go to jail, unless it is by people liberals support, in which case it is ok - there is no question Clinton lied, but that is.applying the same standard to everyone, which liberals flat out reject.. The ends justify the means.

[wanderwegger]

Who would you say lies the most Trump or Hilary Clinton?

No group is homgenous and agree on everything. Howeverin this case, a liberal used here is ok in applying whatever method and means they can get away with as long as it promotes social.justice and what they deem worthy goals. Liberals find it ok.to.lie, as.long as they.don't get caught. They.reject the ideas they have to play by the same rule if those rules.and the truth doesn't produce the.proper results.


So a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty unless that does not promote the liberal social agenda of social change, and racial gender equality, equality being the equality of outcome, it being assumed.differences of.condition must be due to inequality of treatment. Any pay differences between men and women, for example, must be because of bias against women and not any other factor. If the presumption of innocence.does not.promote the right social goals, it can be abandoned, as can freedom of speech. If speech is deemed.to be hate.speech, it can be censored, although it won't be called.censorship.

For example, NBC edicted the Zimmerman telephone call in the Trayvon Martin shooting to givr a misleading impression. NBC eventually fired 3 persons over that, but not.so.much because it was dishonest but because.because NBC got caught and it made NBC and the racial narrative they were trying to sell look bad https://deadline.com/2012/05/third-p...-audio-266597/. When Trump won, a.group of major Hollywood liberals tried to get the Electors forgo.their legal and moral.duty and not vote the way they were elected to. When they don't like judicial nominee, they will use any means possible to block it. They had to go back.30 years in his college.days dig up dirt to block Cavanaugh's nomination, and even then it sas totally unconvincing, the sleazily tried the same thing mwith Clarence Thomas, they sat on Bork's nomination for months so.they could organized an unprecented.tv campaign to block it.

Lying is horrble and people should go to jail, unless it is by people liberals support, in which case it is ok - there is no question Clinton lied, but that is.applying the same standard to everyone, which liberals flat out reject.. The ends justify the means.

[Common Soldier]

Who would you say lies the most Trump or Hilary Clinton?

Trump, by far. But the difference is that the media exposes Trumps lies, which are so stupid and obviously false they really don't fool a lot people, while the media ignores Clinton lies as much as they can.


It is like the way she treated her emails and violated procedure by using her personal computer. When Russian hackers exposed her lies, the left was angry with Russians for exposing her lies, not at Hillary for lyijg and being dishonest. The same FBI agent fired for his text on "stopping Trump" is the same agentnwho whitewashed Hillary. Even he couldn't completely exonerate Hillary without totally discrediting himself, but had a Republican done what Hillary did, the same people defending Hillary would be screaming for long prison terms. At the very least, such poor judgement and cavalier treatment of government email contray to procedure should have rendered her disqualfied for thebhighrst office of the land.


Do you have anything relevant to the topic of the thread? Exactly what do the relative of Clinton and Trump have to due with anything?

If the George Floyd death can be an indictment of all the police, please explain to me why the horrific murders by blacks cannt be used as an indictment of the entire black community? It would merely be doing the same thing. Blacks have a murder rate 4 times that of whites, and more than Hispanics. There are more black homicides against whites than unarmed blacks killed by the police, so if the relatively few deaths of unarmed blacks killed by police, which represent only a fraction of all blacks murdered.(mostly by other blacks), why are not these.othet numbers equally relavent? Just as it does not matter that deaths like George Floyd only represent a faction of all black homicides, it shouldn't matter that most white deaths.are due to other whites. Blacks still have more homicides against whites than th reverse.


According to FBI, there were 533 whites murderd by blacks but only 243 blacks murdered by whites in 2016 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ta-table-3.xls According to thisfrom 2017 to 2020 around 220 to 235 blacks were shot and killed by police per year, far fewer than the number of whites murdered by blacks https://www.statista.com/statistics/...olice-by-race/. Note, when it comes to police killings, FBI numbers under reports actual deahs by around 50% I read, since FBI firgures rely on police departments.volunteer reporting and not all do. Still, the black murder rates.of whites seem of the same order as blafks killed by police and many, most? could have been armed blacks. Someone could make a issue out of these statistics.


Now I agreee that far too many people are killed by police, white or black, and blacks are more likely to suffer, by virtue of being poorer on the average and committing many types of crime at a greater rate, thus bringing blacks more likely in conflict with the police. But BLM treating it as mostly a racial matter does a disservice and fails to address a problem with US use of deadly usr of force, not just by pice but by security guards and such. Necessary change is less likely to result by BLM polarizing and exclusively racial stance.

Here is an example of a deadly choke hold by a black security guard over a potential few dllar shoplifting charge which could have been merely accidental https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2000/07/murd-j08.html Nor are blacks thr only victims of police assaults https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kelly_Thomas or the killing of former ER actress Venessa Marquez by police https://www.azcentral.com/story/ente...ce/1163005002/, but these deaths attracted little attention by the media becauae the victims.were not black. BLM is.concerned only about the few victims killed by the.police and not about the 90+ % of blacks killed by othet blacks. Appqrently Black Lives Don't Matter when killed by other blacks.

[wanderwegger]

You brought up Clintons lying. I asked a question. Is George Floyd’s death an indictment of all police? For me it’s more the catalyst for the most recent calls to redress the systemic racism in police enforcement.

Depends on how deep one can see I guess.

The one lie you are focused on which coincidently the media also covered ad nauseam when it was revelant in 2016 of a twice failed presidential candidates shouldn’t be covered at all at this point. While the stream of consciousness lies of the current sitting president of what is still the most powerful nation on earth should be covered constantly.

Don’t you think

Trump, by far. But the difference is that the media exposes Trumps lies, which are so stupid and obviously false they really don't fool a lot people, while the media ignores Clinton lies as much as they can.


It is like the way she treated her emails and violated procedure by using her personal computer. When Russian hackers exposed her lies, the left was angry with Russians for exposing her lies, not at Hillary for lyijg and being dishonest. The same FBI agent fired for his text on "stopping Trump" is the same agentnwho whitewashed Hillary. Even he couldn't completely exonerate Hillary without totally discrediting himself, but had a Republican done what Hillary did, the same people defending Hillary would be screaming for long prison terms. At the very least, such poor judgement and cavalier treatment of government email contray to procedure should have rendered her disqualfied for thebhighrst office of the land.


Do you have anything relevant to the topic of the thread? Exactly what do the relative of Clinton and Trump have to due with anything?

If the George Floyd death can be an indictment of all the police, please explain to me why the horrific murders by blacks cannt be used as an indictment of the entire black community? It would merely be doing the same thing. Blacks have a murder rate 4 times that of whites, and more than Hispanics. There are more black homicides against whites than unarmed blacks killed by the police, so if the relatively few deaths of unarmed blacks killed by police, which represent only a fraction of all blacks murdered.(mostly by other blacks), why are not these.othet numbers equally relavent? Just as it does not matter that deaths like George Floyd only represent a faction of all black homicides, it shouldn't matter that most white deaths.are due to other whites. Blacks still have more homicides against whites than th reverse.

[Common Soldier]

You brought up Clintons lying. I asked a question. Is George Floyd’s death an indictment of all police? For me it’s more the catalyst for the most recent calls to redress the systemic racism in police enforcement.

Is there the systemic racism innthr police that you assert? Blacks commit half the murders in thr US and more than half the robberies too https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...s-commit-crime Therefore, blacks are more likely to come in conflict with the police, and the overpresentation of blacks in being killed by police is.merely reflective of the fact that blacks commit crimes that will potentially bring them into violent conftontation with the police.

Black officers are just as likely to kill blacks as white officers, which disputes.the claim racism is involved https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...ore-shootings/ https://psmag.com/social-justice/bla...black-suspects less than 1% of thr blacks were unarmed that were killed by police. The higher rate of black deaths by police is simply due to higher rate of violence and crime by blacks. Nt

Depends on how deep one can see I guess.

The one lie you are focused on which coincidently the media also covered ad nauseam when it was revelant in 2016 of a twice failed presidential candidates shouldn’t be covered at all at this point. While the stream of consciousness lies of the current sitting president of what is still the most powerful nation on earth should be covered constantly.

Don’t you think[/QUOTE]

[Mithradates]

So now surfing is racist. Wow! I never knew that back in the sixties I was being racist while surfing. I made some spots on the gulf coast and California, but never made it to to Hawaii. If there are any statues of white surfers anywhere they should be immediately taken down because they were racist white people of privilege. Imagine that, white guys surviving on hot dogs just so they could spend their time surfing was racist. Anyway, it seems that it is black surfers that matter:

https://michaelsavage.com/breaking-surfing-is-racist/

"A 2014 CDC study found that Black American children were up to 10 times more likely to drown than white children. “I think the lineup is really just an extension of colonialism,” says Kyla Langen, co-founder of San Francisco based Queer Surf."

(On a side note, for those who cant swim every pool is a lava-pit, not learning how to swim doesnt make sense. It costs nothing, its free, and might save your/others life one day. Also its fun lol)

[Common Soldier]

You brought up Clintons lying. I asked a question. Is George Floyd’s death an indictment of all police? For me it’s more the catalyst for the most recent calls to redress the systemic racism in police enforcement.

Is there the systemic racism innthr police that you assert? Blacks commit half the murders in thr US and more than half the robberies too https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...s-commit-crime Therefore, blacks are more likely to come in conflict with the police, and the overpresentation of blacks in being killed by police is.merely reflective of the fact that blacks commit crimes that will potentially bring them into violent conftontation with the police.

Black officers are just as likely to kill blacks as white officers, which disputes.the claim racism is involved https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...ore-shootings/ https://psmag.com/social-justice/bla...black-suspects less than 1% of thr blacks were unarmed that were killed by police. The higher rate of black deaths by police is simply due to higher rate of violence and crime by blacks. Nt

Depends on how deep one can see I guess.

The one lie you are focused on which coincidently the media also covered ad nauseam when it was revelant in 2016 of a twice failed presidential candidates shouldn’t be covered at all at this point. While the stream of consciousness lies of the current sitting president of what is still the most powerful nation on earth should be covered constantly.

Don’t you think

The prezident is not responsible for the.training and conduct of local police, the mayor is, so shouldn't the mayor be the one we hold accountable? And if the media and the had had done reforms after unarmed white Justine Diamond was gunned down in her pajamas instead of being ignored because was white, perhaps Floyd would still be alive. Makes you think.

More blacks were killed yearly by police under Obama than Trump In 2015 258 blacks were killed by police https://www.ibtimes.com/police-shoot...-races-2421634 while Trumps highest year so far has been only 235 blacks killed https://www.statista.com/statistics/...olice-by-race/ By your own standard, Obama stands more condemned than Trump, since under hia watxh more blacks were being killed and he had twice the time to fix the problem. So shouldn't you be condemning Obama even more than a Trump?

More blacks kill police than police kill blacks, and police homicides of whites (12%) is more.than twice the percemtage of.police homicides of blacks (4%) https://www.dailywire.com/news/5-sta...-aaron-bandler It should make you think, but I doubt it will, since run counter to your beliefs. Do you have any facts at all to give relevant to the issue? So far younhave presented none, qnd your claims I have readily countered wirh real facts.

[wanderwegger]

Those are some sources. Interpreted in a way I have heard before. For brevity let’s go with blacks commit more crimes so are more likely to come in contact with police. Have you considered that blacks are overpoliced so are arrested more often being a factor in the contacts. Black police officers being as likely to to kill blacks is as easily an argument in favor of systemic racism than against. More blacks being killed in 8 years under Obama than 3.5 under Trump is maybe not as quality an argument as you thought when writing it.

Has Trump ever been held accountable for anything George Floyd related or not? The mayor bit was a new one to me. Give you that. Do you think Mayors are behind police training? If so you are wrong.

Is there the systemic racism innthr police that you assert? Blacks commit half the murders in thr US and more than half the robberies too https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...s-commit-crime Therefore, blacks are more likely to come in conflict with the police, and the overpresentation of blacks in being killed by police is.merely reflective of the fact that blacks commit crimes that will potentially bring them into violent conftontation with the police.

Black officers are just as likely to kill blacks as white officers, which disputes.the claim racism is involved https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...ore-shootings/ https://psmag.com/social-justice/bla...black-suspects less than 1% of thr blacks were unarmed that were killed by police. The higher rate of black deaths by police is simply due to higher rate of violence and crime by blacks. Nt



The prezident is not responsible for the.training and conduct of local police, the mayor is, so shouldn't the mayor be the one we hold accountable? And if the media and the had had done reforms after unarmed white Justine Diamond was gunned down in her pajamas instead of being ignored because was white, perhaps Floyd would still be alive. Makes you think.

More blacks were killed yearly by police under Obama than Trump In 2015 258 blacks were killed by police https://www.ibtimes.com/police-shoot...-races-2421634 while Trumps highest year so far has been only 235 blacks killed https://www.statista.com/statistics/...olice-by-race/ By your own standard, Obama stands more condemned than Trump, since under hia watxh more blacks were being killed and he had twice the time to fix the problem. So shouldn't you be condemning Obama even more than a Trump?

More blacks kill police than police kill blacks, and police homicides of whites (12%) is more.than twice the percemtage of.police homicides of blacks (4%) https://www.dailywire.com/news/5-sta...-aaron-bandler It should make you think, but I doubt it will, since run counter to your beliefs. Do you have any facts at all to give relevant to the issue? So far younhave presented none, qnd your claims I have readily countered wirh real facts.

[Common Soldier]

Those are some sources. Interpreted in a way I have heard before. For brevity let’s go with blacks commit more crimes so are more likely to come in contact with police. Have you considered that blacks are overpoliced so are arrested more often being a factor in the contacts. Black police officers being as likely to to kill blacks is as easily an argument in favor of systemic racism than against. More blacks being killed in 8 years under Obama than 3.5 under Trump is maybe not as quality an argument as you thought when writing it.

Again, while I have provided numerous source while you have provide nothing worthless opinions.

1. If you actually read my sources at least one addressed the fac of racial bias and was able to dismiss it. You can see a high murder rate in the black communities, that is a fact that cannot be hand waved away. If blacks commit 52% of the murders younwould expect them to fom in contact with the police 52% of the time, and if police kill suspects at the same rate (a certain percentage of police contacts will result in killings by the police) then you would expect half police deaths.to be blacks. But the actual rate is much less than 52% of the police deaths meaning the that police kills blacks at a much lower rate than whites. The police are biased against whites apparrently. Apparently you.hate facts worse than a vampire hates sunlight.

2. If you bothered actually read my sources and what I said, I said that Obama on a yearly basis had more blacks killed than Trumps worse year. A yearly basis accouns for the difference in the total length of Obama's office being longer than Trumps. Apparently you also hate logic, honesty and reading what people aftually wrote worse than a werewolf hates silver bullets also

Has Trump ever been held accountable for anything George Flgoyd related or not? The mayor bit was a new one to me. Give you that. Do you think Mayors are behind police training? If so you are wrong.

Has Obama ever been held accountable for police killings? The death of Kelley Thomas occured under Obamas watch. Has Obama been ever held accountable for the death of unarmed Gilbert Collar by officer Trevis Austin https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2...ack-cop-trev/? If Obama wasn't held responsible for polife killings under his watch, why should Trump.

The mayor can replace a replace a police chief if the police are not being properly trained. So ultimately the mayor is responsible for police training.. So you are wrong again as usual. The mayor is certainly is more responsibility for the police in his city than the president is, so has the mayor been held acccountable? City policr reports to mayor not the president.

Have you ever been right about anything? So far you have a 100% track record of being wrong and not providing any facts.

Again, how about answering my questions for a change. I am still waiting for your answers to my questions in previous post.

[Common Soldier]

Those are some sources. Interpreted in a way I have heard before. For brevity let’s go with blacks commit more crimes so are more likely to come in contact with police. Have you considered that blacks are overpoliced so are arrested more often being a factor in the contacts. Black police officers being as likely to to kill blacks is as easily an argument in favor of systemic racism than against. More blacks being killed in 8 years under Obama than 3.5 under Trump is maybe not as quality an argument as you thought when writing it.

Again, while I have provided numerous source while you have provide nothing worthless opinions.

1. If you actually read my sources at least one addressed the fac of racial bias and was able to dismiss it. You can see a high murder rate in the black communities, that is a fact that cannot be hand waved away. If blacks commit 52% of the murders younwould expect them to fom in contact with the police 52% of the time, and if police kill suspects at the same rate (a certain percentage of police contacts will result in killings by the police) then you would expect half police deaths.to be blacks. But the actual rate is much less than 52% of the police deaths meaning the that police kills blacks at a much lower rate than whites. The police are biased against whites apparrently.


2. If you bothered actually read my sources and what I said, I said that Obama on a yearly basis had more blacks killed than Trumps worse year. A yearly basis accouns for the difference in the total length of Obama's office being longer than Trumps.

3. I don't see how thr fact black officers kill blacks just as often as white officers proves any kind of racism by the police. It seems a pathetic denial that racism is not the cause, the facts just do not support it. Given thst blacks fommit more crime, and thusnmore likely to encounter the police, their deaths at the handa of thr police are lower than expected. .peobablu an indication that.black neighborhoods are underpoliced, becausr the cities they are in typically are power andncan't afford ad much policr protrction, ths neighborhoods have a highrt crime rwte and poorer relationship with the police, so.the police.likely avoid those neighborhoods when they can to avoid.trouble. if they shoot a white susprct theynare less likely to have to worry about the national.media getting on their.caee. if Floyd were white, the policemen involved in his death would likely still have their jobsm

Has Trump ever been held accountable for anything George Flgoyd related or not? The mayor bit was a new one to me. Give you that. Do you think Mayors are behind police training? If so you are wrong.

Has Obama ever been held accountable for police killings? The death of Kelley Thomas occured under Obamas watch. Has Obama been ever held accountable for the death of unarmed Gilbert Collar by officer Trevis Austin https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2...ack-cop-trev/? If Obama wasn't held responsible for polife killings under his watch, why should Trump.

The mayor can replace a replace a police chief if the police are not being properly trained. So ultimately the mayor is responsible for police training.. So you are wrong again as usual. The mayor is certainly is more responsibility for the police in his city than the president is, so has the mayor been held acccountable? City policr reports to mayor not the president.

Have you ever been right about anything? So far you have a 100% track record of being wrong and not providing any facts.

Again, how about answering my questions for a change.

[wanderwegger]

Why would Obama or Trump need be held accountable for police killings unless you agree it is a systemically racist system? (Even then not really any individual politicians fault in the present) Most of your sources are trash.

Sounds like you think you are right 100% of the time. You ever sourced the psychological the studies on the psychological traits of people who believe so?


I admit. Your posts are tired old oft disproved arguments and so so boring so I read them like I do my 7 year old nephews stories. With wonder but no need to apply intellect.

If you make a list of questions or start using sources that aren’t laughable (national review I acknowledge is a conservative but quality source) I will try to answer your questions.

Not all mayors can replace a police chief. Most police training occurs long before a mayor arrives. The complexities of how police training is instituted at the macro and micro etc so forth. Admitting you are wrong on the mayor thing would go a long way in me being able to treat you with the respect an 100% right person craves.

Again, while I have provided numerous source while you have provide nothing worthless opinions.

1. If you actually read my sources at least one addressed the fac of racial bias and was able to dismiss it. You can see a high murder rate in the black communities, that is a fact that cannot be hand waved away. If blacks commit 52% of the murders younwould expect them to fom in contact with the police 52% of the time, and if police kill suspects at the same rate (a certain percentage of police contacts will result in killings by the police) then you would expect half police deaths.to be blacks. But the actual rate is much less than 52% of the police deaths meaning the that police kills blacks at a much lower rate than whites. The police are biased against whites apparrently. Apparently you.hate facts worse than a vampire hates sunlight.

2. If you bothered actually read my sources and what I said, I said that Obama on a yearly basis had more blacks killed than Trumps worse year. A yearly basis accouns for the difference in the total length of Obama's office being longer than Trumps. Apparently you also hate logic, honesty and reading what people aftually wrote worse than a werewolf hates silver bullets also




Has Obama ever been held accountable for police killings? The death of Kelley Thomas occured under Obamas watch. Has Obama been ever held accountable for the death of unarmed Gilbert Collar by officer Trevis Austin https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2...ack-cop-trev/? If Obama wasn't held responsible for polife killings under his watch, why should Trump.

The mayor can replace a replace a police chief if the police are not being properly trained. So ultimately the mayor is responsible for police training.. So you are wrong again as usual. The mayor is certainly is more responsibility for the police in his city than the president is, so has the mayor been held acccountable? City policr reports to mayor not the president.

Have you ever been right about anything? So far you have a 100% track record of being wrong and not providing any facts.

Again, how about answering my questions for a change. I am still waiting for your answers to my questions in previous post.

[nhytgbvfeco2]

Those are some sources. Interpreted in a way I have heard before. For brevity let’s go with blacks commit more crimes so are more likely to come in contact with police. Have you considered that blacks are overpoliced so are arrested more often being a factor in the contacts.

So.. you're saying that blacks statistically commit more murders because of.. overpolicing? Is it not more likely that they are overpoliced because of the higher murder rate?

[wanderwegger]

So.. you're saying that blacks statistically commit more murders because of.. overpolicing? Is it not more likely that they are overpoliced because of the higher murder rate?

No. Blacks are statistically arrested more often for crimes because of overpolicing. No one debates this in criminal justice. What they debate is the why. Overpolicing of blacks could just be called normal policing in the US. Whites kill more people than blacks in the US annually on straight numbers of convictions. Though the US homicide conviction rate is not impressive.

[Vanoi]

What evidence? The police have not presented any. They have a suspect, based apparently just on an email, with no actual evidence to link him to being the Umbrella Man, which is why thr police have not arrested the suspect.

https://www.ajc.com/news/police-iden...ENHMCUHN6ZTLY/

Investigators with the Minneapolis police spent “innumerable hours” poring over videos of the incident on social media but didn’t learn who the man was until last week after someone emailed a tip. From there, detectives used photographs and a driver’s license to positively identify him, according to reports.

They identified him through a tip sent through e-mail. And later referenced this with photos and his DL to positively identify the Umbrella Man.

Gievn how the police would really like to pin the crime on an ex con racist in this case (Aryan Cowboy Brotherhood is a prison gang), there a lot of room for doubt.

So you are claiming the police are lying and that this man was not involved in the vandalizing of that store? You have proof for this claim right?

[nhytgbvfeco2]

No. Blacks are statistically arrested more often for crimes because of overpolicing. No one debates this in criminal justice. What they debate is the why. Overpolicing of blacks could just be called normal policing in the US.

Note how I didn't dispute over-policing.
My point was that there is over-policing because when it comes to crime black are over-committing.

Whites kill more people than blacks in the US annually on straight numbers of convictions. Though the US homicide conviction rate is not impressive.

How did you get this number? From 1980 to 2008 blacks committed 52.5% of homicides in the US. Same numbers persisted since, for example numbers for 2013 were provided in the same article. Add to this the fact that of the US population 13% is black, and of that half are males, you have roughly 6.5% committing over 50% of the murders. So yes, in light of these statistics it makes sense why over-policing exists.

[Common Soldier]

No. Blacks are statistically arrested more often for crimes because of overpolicing. No one debates this in criminal justice. What they debate is the why. Overpolicing of blacks could just be called normal policing in the US. Whites kill more people than blacks in the US annually on straight numbers of convictions.

No, blacks more than whites according to FBI statistics which I have posted, but it is close to 50% so exact figure likely changes from year to year. It is not over policing if blacks commit 50% of the murdersnand 50% of the murderers convicted are black. That is normal policing not overpolicing. Where.do younger your statistics from?


Black juries are less likely to.convict (think OJ) and cities where blacks livd typically have lower percrntage of murders solved - in some large cities murder solve rates.are only 50%. So it is possible.are underpresented in the conviction rates - blacks overall are less likely to be convicted of the murders they commmit than whites, it is possible. But younhave only to look at the murder rates of mostly black cities to see that blacks.really do commit 4 times more murders per person than whites. If you did a graph, the greater percrntage of blacks in a fity, thr bighrt the murder rate.

Though the US homicide conviction rate is not impressive.

US murder solve rate usrd to be much higher in several decades ago, around 90 percent, but now it isnaround 50% in large cities and even lower in heavily black cities. Black juries unwilling to convict blacks and lack.cooperation with the police are factors, increase in loop joles.crrated by liberal judges making it easier.to get case thrown out is another, a level of police epxperience another. When BLM talk about defunding the police, should we be surprised the US conviction rates are poor sknce blscks are doing most of thr killings in mostly black neighborhoods? I am sure thr conviction rate would be much bighrt if the.blscks could try mostly white suspects but unfortunately.for blacks, most of the murders of blscks are by blacks so.they can't blame white supremacist.for.thr murders for thr vast majority of the time.