Certainly, there is probably less dissonance in those who are conservative. By in large, these riots are occurring in communities that primarily vote left, so processing this is going to happen in that community. And even in a polarised community there is a spectrum of experiences and motivations.
But don't make the mistake of assuming that people who have broadly similar views to yours are being less inflammatory, or more constructive. I'm fairly sure that it wouldn't take much digging on Twitter or the comments section of right leaning news media websites to illustrate that the propensity for inflammatory statements about these riots doesn't exactly scream "let's get to the bottom of what's going on and see if we can work together to solve it"
One area where I think you are missing a trick, is in leaning heavily on Chauvin's guilt or innocence. These riots aren't occurring because of this one event. The incident is a trigger for an existing grievance (legitimate or not). A straw breaking a camel's back. Focusing on one 'bad apple' cop (which Fox news have done as well) goes counter to the perception that there seems to be enough 'bad apples' to suggest that perhaps the apple tree is a little unwell. Chauvin's guilt or innocence becomes somewhat incidental, if it is yet another in a line of similar incidents. This is a perception that is strong enough that hundreds of thousands have risked health to march the streets during a pandemic, and hundreds or thousands have been able to take advantage to instigate violence. If I were you, I'd use this as an opportunity to debate this perception, rather than zero in on Chauvin himself.
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It was mentioned in the previous 9 pages. And debunked.
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Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be. - Pope Leo XIII
Simply put, America suffers from a generalized, endemic racism.They are both guilty, Democrats and Republicans.But the Republican Party is re-positionating itself, aggressively and progressively, as the Party of Trump's racism.
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Suddenly, it occured to me Clinton's infamous phrase: "Nobody likes Sanders". I was just remembering the man who would - eventually - make the difference.
berniesanders.com/issues/criminal-justice-reform/
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Every human society must justify its inequalities: reasons must be found because, without them, the whole political and social edifice is in danger of collapsing”.
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Precisely.Paradoxically.
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An ignorant, stupid, highly biased statement.There is no other way to say it.The average voter simply isn't interested in hard left activism - particularly since it is also contaminated by anti-Semitism..
Are you talking about Trump, the Hater -in- Chief? Donald Trump: The Revenge of the White Man | Time...and ideas of racial vengeance.
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Every human society must justify its inequalities: reasons must be found because, without them, the whole political and social edifice is in danger of collapsing”.
Thomas Piketty
I'm so so glad I don't live in the racist hole that is the United States of America. Imagine having no workers rights, no affordable health care and a militarized police that can kill anyone they like without impunity.
And this is the Land of the Free? Lol...
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BUT- America is a land of cultural diversity, and Americans are generally friendly and generous. I can also say a lot of positive things about this amazing country.
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On a side note: it also occured to me that Sanders never said:"You ain't Black" if you don't vote for me". And, btw,the anti-Semitic card is getting old. Sanders was on a path of being the first Jewish President of the USA.
Il y a quelque chose de pire que d'avoir une âme perverse. C’est d'avoir une âme habituée
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Every human society must justify its inequalities: reasons must be found because, without them, the whole political and social edifice is in danger of collapsing”.
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Lets get it clear, prejudice just doesn't affect African Americans. But I don't see any Indians, Asians or Hispanics amongst any of those looters. But in these videos we shouldn't just assume all black folk are looters right! anymore than all police officers are prejudiced thugs in that video of the death of Floyd. Assuming that these people have a criminal tendency. You can imagine what anyone in the police has to put up with on a daily basis. After Floyd's death that task is made considerably harder to deal with and society as a whole, will be the worse off.
Trump has been very slow to act on this national emergency apart from the usual Tweets. I guess the election is on his mind. The President quickly needs to set up a new Secretarial position to coordinate a response to these disturbances at a national level. And that position should ideally should be an African American, like Ben Carson. It is not just about the events in Minneapolis. Social order must be secured firstly, because this is destroying the Country from the inside.
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There is no paradox. The US is one of the most successful countries in the history of humanity. The vast majority of voters - including African Americans - don't want revolutionary solutions. A minority of criminals and political radicals exploiting GF's death isn't going to change that.
As usual, you're prepared to nonchalantly accuse the US of suffering from a "generalized endemic racism", but when the same charge is leveled against the far-left, suddenly it's an "ignorant, stupid and highly biased statement".An ignorant, stupid, highly biased statement.There is no other way to say it.
It is undeniable that elements of the radical left align themselves with viciously anti-Semitic regimes/organizations like Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah and Assad out of a loathing for Israel. Others spread insidious anti-white rhetoric in the US and Europe in order to inflame racial tensions. You need only spend an afternoon on Twitter to see it all hanging out.
The white coalition for Trump (58%) was much smaller than the non-white coalition for Clinton (88% African American, 65% Hispanic and 65% Asian). Though in the age of "orange man bad" facts are subservient to narrative. A valiant, if not lazy, attempt to deflect though.Are you talking about Trump, the Hater -in- Chief? Donald Trump: The Revenge of the White Man | Time
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In many instances, it appears that it's white trust fund sissy babies that are breaking open the doors of businesses and encouraging the looting. I can't help but wonder who paid for those pallets of bricks that suddenly appeared in places where no construction was taking place. I guess they just innocently appeared there.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/01/k...-retail-riots/
Meanwhile, if things don't change, Ford is going to have to turn its SUV factory completely over to the production of police cruisers.
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Because Europe is significantly better? I have a great deal of experience having lived for a year in Austria, and I can say that racism is deeply pervasive particularly against Africans and Arabs, and there are known cases of brutality among the police towards those racial groups. The European Union’s labor rights are also extremely exclusive, only really for EU citizens. Non-citizens have hardly any rights and are worked like dogs, and they support the illusory economy of prosperity and equality for the rest.
Austria is my closest reference point, but we can see the same patterns elsewhere. Why is the National Front a popular and viable movement in France?
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A Multi-Level Bayesian Analysis of Racial Bias in Police Shootings at the County-Level in the United States, 2011–2014 [/quote]
Blacks also commit 52% of the homicides as well. When you factor in the percentage of murders and other violent crimes committed by Africsn Americans, the 47% exoneration rat is peoportion ro.rhe number of homocides being committed by blacks.
Likewise, the police shootings of African African is in proportion to the homocides African American commit, and does not reflect a bias by the police, once you take the proper.context into account https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...s-commit-crime
Incidentsof unarmed whites being killed by police are just as frequent as blacks, such as this shooting of a man in bed this year by police https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...lling-69587748 the shootings.just don't get the same amount of media attention.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/national-g...215000273.html
Deploying a bunch of soldiers without any kind of police training or riot training will not help the situation.
How do you know they have no riot/crowd control training? One of the functions of the NG is to manage civil unrest in times of crisis (as it has done in the past).
Well if you’re Vanoi it’s best to toss out a bunch of bull in favor of your argument and see what sticks
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You mean like at Kent State? I am actually referring to the US Army. Senators like Tom Cotton are suggesting invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807, allowing the government to send in active duty soldiers even without the request of state governments. Active duty members of the US Army do not have riot training.
How did things go at Kent State again? Oh and try and read the source next time cause its evident you didn't read .
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