Death of George Floyd and Subsequent Riots.

[AqD]

I had an uncle who was shot and killed by the police back in the 50s. He was unarmed. The thing was he was the sort of person who got belligerent when he was drinking. He was a big guy and the officer who shot and killed him decided he would shot him instead of getting his butt kicked.

If you look at the people who are shot it is almost always someone of large physical stature. Nobody is going to risk getting their butt kicked when they have a gun readily available.

The thing to remember is never resist the police. They have hard days every day because there is always someone who wants to give them problems.

I'm surprised people don't see the riots and violence against each other as the bigger problem - racism in other countries don't get you killed unless it's some genocide.

How did US end up with so many people who would rob a shop when given the chance or police believing their life is always in danger?

[tgoodenow]

How did US end up with so many people who would rob a shop when given the chance

It's not hard to understand when half the politicians in the country justify looting as a brave act of retribution.

STOP generically telling us to VOTE in response to all of the police brutality we have right now. Yes we should vote. But we have to be VERY specific. Democrats, from top to bottom, are running the cities with the worst police brutality in America right now. We voted for them. -Shaun King

https://twitter.com/shaunking/status...11183878410246

A broken clock is right twice a day; and in this instance Shaun King is correct.

[skh1]

To furrow our brow and to make more anxious and care-worn our day, President Trump this afternoon delivered himself of these remarks and presumed to speak for the deceased Mr. Floyd…

[B. W.]

They seem to be pretty inclusive to me given the composition of the protesters. If you are falling for Trump's divide and rule tactics, cops are going to continue to behave as they are. You don't have to like their politics. America fought with Stalin at one time after all said and done.



To be fair Trump is delivering equality, people of all races are being beaten up by the police.

They're only inclusive to people who will buy into the rhetoric that only black lives matter. It is a racist organization. The proof is the way they go after people who say "all lives matter".

As\ to your other reference, I know there are people living in the alternate reality that says Trump is responsible for how Democrats run their cities. Like I said, the Einstein rule applies here.

If black lives matter,why would they destroy the means that poor blacks have to purchase necessities such as food and clothing and get medical care. Such a notion is insane on its face. There won't be improvement in the inner cities because of all the destruction. The situation will be worse. The fact that the people there will listen to the people that convinced them to vote for the people responsible for the ruination of their own city only proves the Einstein theorem.

Anyway, it looks like the Dems that run MN are finally going to do away with the use of neck restraint. What took them so long?

https://www.voanews.com/usa/nation-t...mpaign=dlvr.it

[Derpy Hooves]

Solution to the problem:
1. End public sector unions.
2. End qualified immunity.

Separate problem
Riots/looting is bad

[ggggtotalwarrior]

The pony has a point

[tgoodenow]

That's not the issue. As someone put it, there is a pandemic of racism in America.It needs regime change.


I see that Bunker Boys has determined that it's a great day for Floyd, who remains dead. The POTUS is a complete arse.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-george-floyd-looking-down-great-day-for-him-jobs-economy-162349431.html

Like in what world was saying that a good idea?

Trump is gonna trump.

To furrow our brow and to make more anxious and care-worn our day, President Trump this afternoon delivered himself of these remarks and presumed to speak for the deceased Mr. Floyd…

Here the real context if any of you are interested in forming your own opinion:

Equal justice under the law must mean that every American receives equal treatment in every encounter with law enforcement regardless of race, color, gender or creed. They have to receive fair treatment from law enforcement. They have to receive it. We all saw what happened last week. We can’t let that happen. Hopefully George is looking down right now and saying, “This is a great thing that’s happening for our country.” It’s a great day for him, it’s a great day for everyone. This is a great day for everybody. This is a great, great day in terms of equality. It’s really what our Constitution requires and it’s what our country is all about.

[Muizer]

How did US end up with so many people who would rob a shop when given the chance or police believing their life is always in danger?

They didn't 'end up' that way. Americans are historically extremely suspicious/allergic of the whole notion that problems can exist at, and need to be addressed at a societal level. The idea that it is the land of opportunity has as a flip side that it is the country where you must carry guns to protect yourself, your family and your possessions. Admitting that problems exist at, and can only be addressed at societal level implies government (a dirty word) is necessary and government equates with tyranny and oppression. In short, some founding principles that once were meant to solidify a revolutionary break from oppressive monarchies and aristocracies is now like a massive ball and chain preventing Americans from taking charge of their collective destiny. They don't trust each other to keep even a democratic government in check. Something that's turning into a self fulfilling prophesy: If you don't own your government, it will own you and if you try to keep government small, oppressive power just accrues elsewhere. 'Tyranny' is pretty much a zero sum game: the best you can do is try to own it collectively, or else it will find its way into less benign hands, be it governments, corporations, organized crime, warlords, religious sects or whoever accumulates raw power to impose it.

[skh1]

It’s a great day for him.

Mr. Floyd is no longer in a position to enjoy great days.

[Gaidin]

Here the real context if any of you are interested in forming your own opinion:

I'll believe what he says when he uses his federal paramilitary forces properly.

[Abdülmecid I]

The pony has a point

Not really. Abolishing the fundamental, human right of association, in order to improve public order, seems a bit counter-productive. It's also deeply anti-democratic, quite suitable for the supposed leader of the free world, as well as rather unconstitutional, as the verdict of the "National Association for the Advancement of Coloured People versus the State of Alabama" trial has established.

[Warriordude]

Don't get me started on the NAACP lol. I think these blacks that have been controlled by the democrats for decades, need to switch parties, the non racist ones, well any sane person would anyway. What have they done for them anyway, they use you and you are so blinded by the hate of the white man, that you can't see reality. You vote for the party of the KKK, you honestly think they have your best interest in mind. The rich liberal whites use you for profit, they need your vote to stay in power, they don't give a rats ass about the black man.

[Gaidin]

You vote for the party of the KKK, you honestly think they have your best interest in mind.

Lee Atwater wants the bridge to nowhere he sold you back.

[Common Soldier]

Around 300 examples of dodgy policing, that shows there is a problem. Share your view on this thread. Historic events are happening right now and all some people can manage is the current, discredited MAGA line.

By making the issue about race instead of dodgy police methods, the protesters are delaying reform, not promoting it. The looting and violence displayed by the protesters completely undermines any message they want to get across, as does there lack of social distancing.

Studies have shown that black cops just as likely ro kill blacks as white cops
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...ore-shootings/, clearly showing the issue isn't racism.

But so fixated are some people that its all due to racism that even when they know the real data, they still insist it must be due to racism like here https://psmag.com/social-justice/bla...black-suspects. Blaming institutional racism is just another way of blaming it all on racism even when the facts don't fit.

And there are groups that make in a career of blaming everything on racism, as you can see in this incident of a black security officer killing a black father over a $4 shopping lifting issue https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2000/07/murd-j08.html Even though they tried, the racism is everywhere promoters failed in this case because people couldn't see how a black security guard kiing a black man was racism, which is why the incident never got national attention.

As as it is insist that the cause is racial instead of the true causes, no progress is going to be made in addressing the problem.

[Common Soldier]

I'm surprised people don't see the riots and violence against each other as the bigger problem - racism in other countries don't get you killed unless it's some genocide.

How did US end up with so many people who would rob a shop when given the chance or police believing their life is always in danger?

It wound up like this because there a lot of people who have made it a cottage industry of promoting the theme of all problems are due to racism. Al Sharpton and his kind would be nothing if they couldn't go around protrsting racism they might have to get real jobs. It is the Democratic party's interest to promote racism, it gains them votes, and avoids them having to having to answer questions about their lack of progress in dealing with blacks and other Americans real problems.

Have you notice how Trump is now a racist, but wasn't one when he was a big friend of the Clintons?

[Gaidin]

Have you notice how Trump is now a racist,

If you go by just his public announcements I'd go with 1989.

[Love Mountain]

I'm surprised people don't see the riots and violence against each other as the bigger problem - racism in other countries don't get you killed unless it's some genocide.

How did US end up with so many people who would rob a shop when given the chance or police believing their life is always in danger?

A minority of people taking advantage of the chaos is not as big of a problem as widespread police brutality. There are literally hundreds of video clips where Police respond with disproportionate violence. Not one or two officers, but the force as a whole.

More flagrant denials and strawmen. I didn’t equivocate peaceful legitimate protests with looting and violence. You did.

Yeah, you totally didn't conflate protesters with looting and violence.

I would think acknowledging the protesters' concerns and asking them to channel their anguish in more productive/less destructive ways to be a more effective appeal than attempting to part protesters with the belief that Floyd was a victim of racism, regardless of her personal beliefs.

Stop projecting your flagrant denials on to me. The only who's making denials is you. Moreover, you're throwing accusations my way that are unfounded. I have no issue with expressing regret that there is looting and rioting. The problem with constantly bringing that fact up however, is that it's not "the" problem. The underlying issue have entirely to do with unaddressed grievances people have with the justice system, and the widespread police brutality exercised as a response to these demonstrations. Not to mention, that the "rioting and looting" is used as an excuse to crack down on any kind of dissent, be it peaceful or violent. Thus, the discussion of "civil order" is counter-productive, as is the desire for "looters" to choose not to loot. The only way to stop this is for authorities to reach an agreement with the public instead of trying to stamp them down because their protests are full of rioting and looting.

I quoted the mayor of Atlanta and other public figures’ appeal for people to channel anguish and frustration into peaceful protest and political action. Suggesting that condemnation of rioting and looting incites violence from demonstrators, or turns a blind eye to police violence, only further underscores your need for falsehood as premise for your narrative.

Addressing protesters and lumping them in with looters and rioters is absurd. Especially when in her own city, six cops were just charged with violently tazing and arresting students out of their own car. Local level changes within the police structure, within law enforcement, withing law, can happen quickly and immediately. Instead of urging protesters to go home, or to "be more peaceful" (as if they're the ones looting), you should be lambasting the inaction, the brazen police brutality, and the lack of federal action.

Absolutely your condemnation of violence and looting is insidious. Weren't you just told that looting and rioting is not a "conscious choice" by, you know, those people (wink wink). It is as though you think those people (nudge nudge) have some sort of agency and could choose not to riot and loot. Violence and stealing is inherent for those people (know what I mean).

I see you've abandoned your ability to read and think critically.

Systematic violence perpetrated by police is an avoidable choice. Looting and rioting is not a conscious choice perpetrated by an anti-police movement.

Keep conflating looters/rioters as the exact same people who choose to protest peacefully. You're doing great.

[Ludicus]

To be fair Trump is delivering equality, people of all races are being beaten up by the police.

Trump wants to be a dictator, but he is a lazy authoritarian. I couldn't take this more seriously...

Mattis's Trump broadside underscores military tensions

A Morning Consult poll released Monday found that 49 percent of registered voters in military households would vote for Trump if the election were held today, compared to 41 percent who would vote for presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden.

The same poll also found that 58 percent of registered voters either strongly or somewhat support cities calling in the U.S. military to supplement city police forces, while 30 percent either strongly or somewhat oppose doing so.

Which brings us to...www.psychiatrictimes.com
The Cult of Trump: A Leading Cult Expert Explains How the President uses mind Control

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The New Yorker, “An Abuse of Sacred Symbols”: Trump, a Bible, and a Sanctuary

...For now, as his people pleaded for leadership, a President with no personal understanding of strength or spirit offered a crude simulation of them.

He assembled a pageant of symbols that he knows have power over others—the Bible, the gun, and the shield.

And he tossed them together in a cruel jumble of nonsense.

Good luck, America.

[Lord Thesaurian]

Stop projecting your flagrant denials on to me.

You’ve spent pages running from your own words with a myriad of transparent falsehoods and deflections. I’ve affirmed mine. You excuse and rationalize rioting and looting. I condemn it. It’s that simple. The rest of your ranting is just cope because you can’t justify your own narrative.

Addressing protesters and lumping them in with looters and rioters is absurd. Especially when in her own city, six cops were just charged with violently tazing and arresting students out of their own car. Local level changes within the police structure, within law enforcement, withing law, can happen quickly and immediately. Instead of urging protesters to go home, or to "be more peaceful" (as if they're the ones looting), you should be lambasting the inaction, the brazen police brutality, and the lack of federal action.

Lol. She didn’t equivocate peaceful legitimate protests with looting and violence either. You did.

Solution to the problem:
1. End public sector unions.
2. End qualified immunity.

Separate problem
Riots/looting is bad

Qualified immunity has serious downsides but surely an alternative framework to discourage frivolous lawsuits must be maintained in fact if not in law. Immunity may embolden the “bad cops,” but the “good cops” don’t have alot of positive reinforcement built into their day jobs either.

"I can tell my supervisors that I took three people to the hospital and I saved their lives. That the child that I helped deliver is healthy," says Polanco. "I can tell them that. But that's not going to cut it."

Polanco says he encountered an unwritten rule that officers are expected to bring in "20 and one." That's 20 tickets and one arrest per month. But it was tough to get anyone outside the department to believe him, because NYPD officials would always deny there were any quotas. They still do.

https://www.npr.org/2015/04/04/39506...licing-lingers

One of the questions at the heart of the national debate over race and policing is why minorities are routinely arrested for petty offenses—drinking on the sidewalk, hanging out in the park after it closes, driving with a suspended license. One reductive explanation for these arrests is that there’s simply more crime in predominantly black and Latino neighborhoods. Another is that cops stereotype minorities as miscreants. But what if some of these arrests are motivated by something more official?

So what’s the alternative to quotas? Unlike some critics, the plaintiffs in the NYPD lawsuit aren’t arguing for the decriminalization of minor violations. What they want is to be able to use their judgment when it comes to responding to these offenses. As Gonzalez put it, “Sometimes putting handcuffs on people isn’t the way to resolve something.”

The opposition to quotas can transcend the usual ideological lines. It is one of the rare debates that finds Patrick Lynch, the outspoken leader of the Patrolman’s Benevolent Union, on the same side as the New York Civil Liberties Union. Even Bill Bratton, the commissioner of New York’s police force, who rose to national renown while championing numbers-based policing during his first stint as the head of the department back in the ‘90s, has recently said he intends to shift the department’s focus to “the quality of police actions, with less emphasis on their numbers, and more emphasis on our actual impact.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/business...quotas/398165/

Cops may be protected by their fellows and by the law, but more immediate, street level incentives also have a systemic, if banal, impact.

[mongrel]

By making the issue about race instead of dodgy police methods, the protesters are delaying reform, not promoting it.

Translation -uppity black people will continue to be beaten and murdered.

They're only inclusive to people who will buy into the rhetoric that only black lives matter. It is a racist organization. The proof is the way they go after people who say "all lives matter".

As\ to your other reference, I know there are people living in the alternate reality that says Trump is responsible for how Democrats run their cities. Like I said, the Einstein rule applies here.

If black lives matter,why would they destroy the means that poor blacks have to purchase necessities such as food and clothing and get medical care. Such a notion is insane on its face. There won't be improvement in the inner cities because of all the destruction. The situation will be worse. The fact that the people there will listen to the people that convinced them to vote for the people responsible for the ruination of their own city only proves the Einstein theorem.

Anyway, it looks like the Dems that run MN are finally going to do away with the use of neck restraint. What took them so long?

https://www.voanews.com/usa/nation-t...mpaign=dlvr.it

I think people who think like this are the instruments of America's destruction. Pity really. You recognise there is a problem, you can see a huge multi-racial movement against this, possibly with the momentum to match the fall of the Berlin Wall, yet you hide behind a Republican Party membership card. At least Cleveland gets it. They have declared racism as a public health issue.

It's not hard to understand when half the politicians in the country justify looting as a brave act of retribution.

Like the Tea Party, named after a looting incident in Boston.

I see that 57 officers in Buffalo quit their posts after a 75 year old man was assualted and rendered unconcious by 2 of their colleagues. They are leaving because the 2 were disciplined. Goes to show the poison culture people are dealing with them.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/05/u...rnd/index.html