Death of George Floyd and Subsequent Riots.

[Infidel144]

The person who bought the gun for Kyle Rittenhouse has been arrested and charged:

Dominick Black, of Kenosha, was charged with two counts of intentionally giving a dangerous weapon to a person under the age of 18, causing death
https://www.wisn.com/article/man-cha...ouse/34619225#

[Aexodus]

Who is this guy and why did he give him a rifle instead of a small(er) and I gather legal arm?

[Gaidin]

Who is this guy and why did he give him a rifle instead of a small(er) and I gather legal arm?

You have to be 21 to buy a pistol. So uhh...no.

[Aexodus]

Ah, I assumed you could be 17-18 and carry something or other.

[swabian]

I think pistols are regulated more tightly, because they can be concealed more easily.

[Infidel144]

The Peaceful Protester who educated a homeless, trans, neo-nazi and the white supremacist who tried to help the homeless, trans neo-nazi that Black Lives Matter gets 20 months for his Peaceful and Educational actions:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Marquise Lee Love was sentenced to 20 months in prison after “months of pretrial negotiations and a judicial settlement conference,” according to the district attorney’s office. Love admitted that he was helped by another person to cause physical injury to the victim, identified as Adam Haner, and “that he and others engaged in tumultuous and violent conduct and created a grave risk of causing public alarm.”

https://www.kptv.com/news/man-pleads...lock_id=994431

[Love Mountain]

The cop that shot Jacob Blake, Rusten Sheskey, is an exemplary officer.

Sheskey was reprimanded three times over three years for crashing his squad car on separate occasions, causing at least $7,000 in damage. He also was investigated for his actions in traffic stops in 2015 and 2017, although the reviews found he didn’t violate department policy.

The records show Sheskey, now 31, joined the Kenosha department in 2013 after working as a campus police officer at the University of Wisconsin-Parkside. During his stint at Parkside he investigated a series of death threats and nooses targeted at Black students in an alleged hate crime.

The first crash occurred in 2014 when he made an illegal left turn and hit another vehicle. No one was injured. Five months later he backed out of a city parking space and hit a concrete pillar. And in 2016 he smashed into a light pole after pulling away from a traffic stop. He received a one-day suspension — the only suspension on his record — and remedial training.

Sheskey was among a group of four officers who were investigated in November 2014 for their actions during a traffic stop. According to the records, a woman called 911 from a car saying her boyfriend was driving and wouldn’t let her or her children out of the vehicle.

The officers stopped the car. Officer Ryan Alles drew his gun and ordered the driver out of the vehicle. Dash-cam video shows the man struggling with his seatbelt while officers bombarded him with commands.

The driver appeared to take his foot off the brake and the car slowly moved forward. Officer Willie Hamilton told him to put the car in park or he would “blow your (expletive) head off.” The driver stopped the car. Sheskey and Alles dragged him from the vehicle, took him to the ground and handcuffed him. A fourth officer, Trevor Clayton, briefly kneeled on the driver’s head.

Then-Deputy Chief Daniel Miskinis wrote in a memo to then-Chief John Morrissey that Sheskey and Alles’ decision to drag the man from the car was “justified and appropriate.”

Sheskey was investigated again in 2017 after a driver alleged discrimination during a traffic stop. According to the records, the man and his car resembled the description of a domestic violence suspect who had threatened to bomb a local women’s shelter where his ex-girlfriend was staying.

Sheskey and other officers stopped the man at gunpoint because the suspect in the bombing threat was known to have a gun. The man was handcuffed but released after officers verified he wasn’t the suspect. All the officers involved were cleared of any discrimination.

The records show Sheskey has earned 16 awards, letters or formal commendations. He received two awards two months before the August shooting.

Sounds like police need to all be fired and retrained.

[Aexodus]

How common is it for officers to be investigated?

[Love Mountain]

It will vary from state to state, from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. This data also isn't typically easily accessible. Journalists often have to request specific reports to acquire such information. Police departments fight it of course. That's the biggest problem, there is no national database so we don't have a a wealth of information from which to derive statistics. This is why articles like these are not very helpful in answering your question. Certainly, we know that complaints exist, that investigations exist, that many officers are blacklisted, but we don't have a meaningful reference point to rely upon.

Is Shesky an exception? How does his record compare to his fellow officers? How about surrounding cities? Other states? How does he compare to an officer 40 years ago? Can't answer such questions without data we don't have. The closest thing is probably the National Decertification Index, but it falls far short of what is required.

[Aexodus]

You're right. We at least need something about Kenosha Dept, and then compare it to other similar forces.

[Mithradates]

Ah, I assumed you could be 17-18 and carry something or other.

IIRC its 18 years in Wisconsin, he was 4 months younger at the time. The guy who gave him the gun was a 19yo friend.

[swabian]

IIRC its 18 years in Wisconsin, he was 4 months younger at the time. The guy who gave him the gun was a 19yo friend.

Those boys need to be armed by the military only, not by their dysfunctional dad's substance abusing neighbourhood, or whatever. The military needs lost souls like that which are eager to please and eager to die and kill. Reintroducing military drafting might actually help there. He could have died in Afghanistan and received honours he could only have dreamt of in his civilian life, obviously.

[Lord Thesaurian]

Statues of Washington, Lincoln and others vandalized by rioters over the holiday period. This from the people who won the election. The unrest shows no signs of stopping any time the slightest pretext may be found, and with a sympathetic Administration now in the White House, it’s unclear whether local authorities will receive any coordinated assistance in tracking down and arresting these far left saboteurs who’ve been rampaging periodically for months now.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/27/us/th...ack/index.html

[antaeus]

Statues of Washington, Lincoln and others vandalized by rioters over the holiday period. This from the people who won the election. The unrest shows no signs of stopping any time the slightest pretext may be found, and with a sympathetic Administration now in the White House, it’s unclear whether local authorities will receive any coordinated assistance in tracking down and arresting these far left saboteurs who’ve been rampaging periodically for months now.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/27/us/th...ack/index.html

News flash... a large nation with a long history of oppression of minority out-groups struggles to come to terms with current day fringe out-groups using that history of oppression to push their own agenda. More at 6.

[Cope]

News flash... a large nation with a long history of oppression of minority out-groups struggles to come to terms with current day fringe out-groups using that history of oppression to push their own agenda. More at 6.

The issue is not the existence of "fringe out-groups"; its the liberal establishment's agenda-driven facilitation of them.

[antaeus]

The issue is not the existence of "fringe out-groups"; its the liberal establishment's agenda-driven facilitation of them.

People have been seeking discredit those in power in Washington by assigning or associating fringe out-group behaviour to them for as long as there has been a power in Washington. Be they the KKK or anti-war university protestors in the 60s, or communists in the 50s or whatever.

There's 530 something whatever individuals who are representatives on Capitol Hill, plus god knows how many people with microphones in the President and President elect's offices. I'm sure I can find one or two who actively support or unintentionally endorse flat-eartherism or moon landing hoaxes. But it's a logical fallacy to assume that because a few Democrats or Republicans make statements in support of moon landing hoaxes, and the President or President elect doesn't immediately disavow that sentiment, that that's evidence of an establishment facilitation.

I roll my eyes at people making this argument here, much like I rolled my eyes at people who made the same types of statements in reverse over the previous months and years when people sought to link Trump to white supremacists.

[Aexodus]

If Biden sends in Homeland Security or similar against anarchist rioters I will let him off the hook.

[Cope]

People have been seeking discredit those in power in Washington by assigning or associating fringe out-group behaviour to them for as long as there has been a power in Washington. Be they the KKK or anti-war university protestors in the 60s, or communists in the 50s or whatever.

There's 530 something whatever individuals who are representatives on Capitol Hill, plus god knows how many people with microphones in the President and President elect's offices. I'm sure I can find one or two who actively support or unintentionally endorse flat-eartherism or moon landing hoaxes. But it's a logical fallacy to assume that because a few Democrats or Republicans make statements in support of moon landing hoaxes, and the President or President elect doesn't immediately disavow that sentiment, that that's evidence of an establishment facilitation.

I roll my eyes at people making this argument here, much like I rolled my eyes at people who made the same types of statements in reverse over the previous months and years when people sought to link Trump to white supremacists.

Neither Joe Biden, nor any other senior Democrat, nor any major liberal news outlet made any substantive attempt to moderate the lunacy being abetted by Democratic politicians in Seattle, Portland or New York. None of them spoke out about the C19 threat being posed by large gatherings of BLM protesters (on the contrary, such gatherings were promoted), even though they had furiously denounced lawful conservative activism in Michigan and Trump rallies.

Pelosi responded to widespread vandalism by saying that “people will do what they do”; Biden referred to Antifa, who were likely complicit in an organized attack on police officers in Chicago and the blinding of federal agents in Oregon, as “an idea”; Newsom locked down CA, but exempted BLM protests; CNN reported that arson ridden disorder was “peaceful” protesting.

This goes well beyond a handful of radicals or eccentrics. It was part of a Democratic strategy to ignore and/or facilitate chaos (most of which was occurring within Democratic districts) in order to destabilize the Trump presidency.

Extensive examples have been provided throughout this thread.

[Lord Thesaurian]

The Democrat party and politically friendly organs have peddled the same racial grievance narratives and fallacious historical revisionism advanced by these extremist groups to stir up the base and whip votes for years. These have borne fruit amidst historic levels of unrest caused by the pandemic, and the response from party leadership has been to lean into these narratives even harder while downplaying the violence and destruction.

[Abdülmecid I]

Neither Joe Biden, nor any other senior Democrat, nor any major liberal news outlet made any substantive attempt to moderate the lunacy being abetted by Democratic politicians in Seattle, Portland or New York. None of them spoke out about the C19 threat being posed by large gatherings of BLM protesters (on the contrary, such gatherings were promoted), even though they had furiously denounced lawful conservative activism in Michigan and Trump rallies.

Pelosi responded to widespread vandalism by saying that “people will do what they do”; Biden referred to Antifa, who were likely complicit in an organized attack on police officers in Chicago and the blinding of federal agents in Oregon, as “an idea”; Newsom locked down CA, but exempted BLM protests; CNN reported that arson ridden disorder was “peaceful” protesting.

This goes well beyond a handful of radicals or eccentrics. It was part of a Democratic strategy to ignore and/or facilitate chaos (most of which was occurring within Democratic districts) in order to destabilize the Trump presidency.

Extensive examples have been provided throughout this thread.

Most of these points are either misleading or outright wrong. Protests have not been found to contribute to the propagation of the virus, presumably because they occur outdoors, while the participants show individual responsibility, in stark contrast to several of Donald Trump's rallies. Biden has repeatedly condemned the violence of the protests. Given that he has no executive power yet, condemning them on numerous occassions seems as a "substantive'' as possible. Moreover, during the debate, Biden quoted the FBI director, who identified the Antifa as a movement or an idea. Since the Antifa movement is indeed an ideological movement, principally founded upon its opposition on fascism and its various offshoots, and not an organisation with an established hierarchy and official charter, the aforementioned statement of the FBI director is accurate. I don't even understand why that objective observations triggers the far right so profoundly. Ideas and movements are neither inherently positive nor immune to cricitism. As for California, the general lockdown actually ended one month before George Floyd was killed.

The part about CNN is also false. CNN actually reported that the protests were peaceful until night, when the situation derailed and violence/fire broke out. That specific example also reflects the general trend, where protests remain largely peaceful, despite the frequent unprovoked outbreaks of police violence against civilians lawfully excercising their constitutional rights. Finally, the last sentence is just a personal interpretation, which doesn't appear particularly convincing, judging from how fundamentally untrue its foundations were. Keep also in mind that these inaccurate arguments had already been disproven numerous times in the very same thread, but they mysteriously keep being repeated, thus unnecessarily polarising the American society and undermining its unity and cohesion during an exceptionally precarious period. I took special care to use conservative-leaning sources (Forbes, Washington Post etc.), which cannot be (easily) accused of being controlled by liberal elites and the Bolshevik infiltrators Bezhmenov wisely warned us about.