Death of George Floyd and Subsequent Riots.

[Infidel144]

Title 10 defines the militia as the National Guard. It even mentions declared intention. That part alone would extreme hard to prove on Kyle's behalf.

I provided the quote for the definition of militia in Title 10:
"The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard."

It does not define the militia as the National Guard. It defines the NG as a part of the militia (specifically the organized militia).

The "declared intention" is to become a citizen. Not a member of the NG or the militia.

[Vanoi]

It does not define the militia as the National Guard. It defines the NG as a part of the militia (specifically the organized militia).

It defines the militia of the United States. And that the militia consists of the National Guard. It does not define any other group as being part of the militia of the US.

The "declared intention" is to become a citizen. Not a member of the NG or the militia.

Nope.

who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard."

That passage isn't for citizenship otherwise they wouldn't have mentioned people who already are American citizens. Hence the "who are" passage. And it also makes it clear you have to be in the National Guard in the very last sentence of Title 10.

[Infidel144]

It defines the militia of the United States. And that the militia consists of the National Guard. It does not define any other group as being part of the militia of the US.

False. The Naval Militia is also part of the organized militia. As defined in the section 246.
It also defines the unorganized militia.

Nope.

Yep.
"The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States..."

That passage isn't for citizenship otherwise they wouldn't have mentioned people who already are American citizens. Hence the "who are" passage.

That passage is stating that you have to be a citizen or have declared the intent to become a citizen, for this section of Title 10 to apply.
E.g. it would not apply to tourists or others temporarily residing in the country.

And it also makes it clear you have to be in the National Guard in the very last sentence of Title 10.

The part referring to females: "female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard".

Under Title 10 an able bodied male 17-45 is a member of the militia, as long as he is a citizen or has stated an intention to become a citizen (with certain exceptions). Any female citizens who are members of the National Guard are also part of the militia.

10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes
(a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b)The classes of the militia are—
(1)the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246

[Vanoi]

False. The Naval Militia is also part of the organized militia. As defined in the section 246.

Except the defense is using Title 10 as their defense, not section 246. And last time i checked Kyle wasn't part of any Naval Militia.

Yep.
"The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States..."




That passage is stating that you have to be a citizen or have declared the intent to become a citizen, for this section of Title 10 to apply.
E.g. it would not apply to tourists or others temporarily residing in the country.

So you agree with me the passage isn't just for citizenship? Thanks.

The part referring to females: "female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard".

Nice try but that passage pertains to both men and women hence why it mentions regular citizens earlier in the passage.

[Cope]

WI state law which appears to make it legal for a 17 y/o to carry rifles over a certain length seems like a more promising defence on the firearm charge (which is itself only a misdemeanor anyway).

[Infidel144]

Except the defense is using Title 10 as their defense, not section 246.

Section 246, which I quoted from, is part of title 10...
And of which you said "It does not define any other group as being part of the militia of the US."
As I noted and quoted it does define other 'groups' as part of the militia.

And last time i checked Kyle wasn't part of any Naval Militia.

Good thing he does not have to be, to be part of the militia under Title 10.

So you agree with me the passage isn't just for citizenship? Thanks.

I said the "declared intention" (which you brought up) is to become a citizen.

Nice try but that passage pertains to both men and women hence why it mentions regular citizens earlier in the passage.

The portion I quoted pertains to only women who are female citizens and who are members of the National Guard. Only those females are militia under Title 10.
That is, your claim:
"the militia consists of the National Guard. It does not define any other group as being part of the militia of the US"
is false.
The militia consists of the National Guard, the Naval Militia and a range able bodied males who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

[Infidel144]

Judge drops third-degree murder charge against Derek Chauvin in George Floyd death
A Minnesota judge has dismissed a third-degree murder charge lodged against ex-Minneapolis cop Derek Chauvin in the death of George Floyd.


https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/judge-...e-floyd-death/

[Gaidin]

I'm just going to leave this hear for the whining earlier in the thread.

[saxdude]

Really hope the protests keep up. Full support to BLM.

[Heathen Hammer]

I'm just going to leave this hear for the whining earlier in the thread.

Funny how not even a month ago liberal journos called Boogaloo Boys "far-right". Its almost like there is a trend of journos jumping in to blame "far-right" for outbreak of violence that had nothing to do with "far-right" or what has generally anything to do with right-wing ideas.

[Lord Thesaurian]

Apparent suicide-by-cop sparks riots and looting in Philadelphia. Warning: footage of man killed

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/video-...ia-94742085794

[swabian]

Apparent suicide-by-cop sparks riots and looting in Philadelphia. Warning: footage of man killed

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/video-...ia-94742085794

One can't really see what is happening, so why are you even presenting this footage. It is not visible, if the person who is shot are themselves creating a reason for the policemen to shoot them down. There were several gunshots against an assailant of doubtable danger. Why? For what? Whom is this supposed to protect? US cops have less dangerous jobs than prostitutes, how is it justified to teach them to kill without prejudice like this? They are POLICEMEN, not SOLDIERS. They ought to serve the public, not be executors on the spot!

[Aexodus]

It is not visible, if the person who is shot are themselves creating a reason for the policemen to shoot them down.

He had a knife.

[swabian]

Thank you sir, i needed a knife to sweep me a nicely buttered bread.

A knife... seriously?

A nation armed to the teeth needs a knife to know that it is the blade itself.

[Lord Thesaurian]

The video clearly shows cops backing away from the subject, ordering him to drop the knife, as he rapidly advances towards them waving said knife at them. Suicide-by-cop. Police are not going to get stabbed if they can avoid it just to “serve the public,” nor should they.

Guess the same thing would happen in Germany or France. I wonder if Germans and French rioted and looted in response? Maybe that sort of thing isn’t condoned or even praised as the work of civil rights heroes over there.

https://dw.com/en/germany-police-in-gelsenkirchen-shoot-dead-knife-wielding-attacker/a-51895038
https://dw.com/en/germany-investigation-into-deadly-police-shooting-in-bremen/a-53870938

[PointOfViewGun]

Yes, walking towards a cop, at a safe distance, is rapidly advancing on him, and totally deserves at least 5 bullets...

[Aexodus]

Police in America are often trained to keep a ‘reactionary gap’ of about six to eight feet unarmed, 20 feet with a sharp weapon. Within that distance is considered the danger zone. The suspect in Philly looked to be about 8 feet away with a knife. Granted, this rule of thumb is intended for an officer with his weapon holstered, but if someone is refusing to drop their weapon, while walking towards police or frankly anyone, I wouldn’t begrudge anyone for shooting the threat.

https://www.police1.com/police-train...jF9gRYlpo3uMJ/

Next, remember “police proxemics” defined as “the distance between an officer and the threat posed by certain weapons.”

Here are some numbers to keep in mind:• Firearms Threats: Generally your safety zone is defined as “line of sight unbroken by cover.”
• Edged Weapons: Generally a 20-25 foot zone of safety, depending on the circumstances and the level of the officer’s response. That distance could be more if you have information that the suspect may be skilled with EWs.
• Impact Weapons: Bludgeons, pipes, baseball bats, and the like require a minimum reactionary gap of 10-12 feet plus the length of the object — maybe more, depending on the circumstances.
• Empty Hands: For most empty-hand situations, you’re going to want at least a 5-6 foot reactionary gap between you and the subject you’re dealing with — maybe more, depending on your prior knowledge of the subject.

Here’s an incident that shows the danger a man armed with a knife can pose when he closes the distance. It took 21 shots to drop him. https://www.police1.com/edged-weapon...4XTpibegOpDmy/

[Infidel144]

If the circumstances were same, except that the person with the knife was a skinhead or a kkk dude would anybody be trying to blame the cops for shooting him...

[PointOfViewGun]

If the circumstances were same, except that the person with the knife was a skinhead or a kkk dude would anybody be trying to blame the cops for shooting him...

Yup. Circumstances doesn't change just because of political ideology of a person. Back in 2017, for example, a vigil was held with participation from Black Lives Matter protesters for Daniel Shaver. Just because a black person was shot by cops doesn't mean he is analogous to a skinhead or a KKK member as well.

[Mithradates]

Who was Walter Wallace Jr., the man shot by Philadelphia police?

Court records show Wallace was currently awaiting trial for allegedly threatening to shoot a woman and her house up.

In 2017, he pled guilty to robbery, assault, and possessing an instrument of crime after kicking down the door of another woman and putting a gun to her head.

He was sentenced to 11-23 months behind bars.

And in 2013, he pled guilty to assault and resisting arrest after punching a police officer in the face.

Another BLM hero, ehh...