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    bitterhowl's Avatar Centenarius
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    Default Old skirmishers tactical bug

    So we get a new tactical AI with some good potential but tactical engine still sing same old song about defend mode - archers and especially skirmishers still start their suicidal rally to attacking enemy from own defensive line.

    Maybe somebody discovered a way to fix it with config_ai_battle to make skirmishers hold their position in army formation before enemy comes closer? It's vital to fix this issue for normal battle performance.

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    Default Re: Old skirmishers tactical bug

    Shouldn't there be a value in that file setting the distance from which certain type of units can actually "see" the enemy? Maybe lowering that value you can fix that.
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    Default Re: Old skirmishers tactical bug

    Seems that it's not an engage distance, but an AI order to shoot'em up. I think there should be a parameter about missile attack priority.

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    Default Re: Old skirmishers tactical bug

    I decided to start investigation ab ovo and look at Rome I files. Realized that this ranged units bug in M2 is Rome's legacy. At the moment didn't find any information about battle_config and config_ai_battle for Rome. Are they exist in Rome or maybe similar files with another names?

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    Default Re: Old skirmishers tactical bug

    Have you tried a different approach - turning off skirmishing from foot missile units (keep for cavalry and javelins )
    As it is they often run backwards and forwards being useless.
    Might be better for them to stay put, keep firing and accept they'll take casualties if engaged in melee.

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    Default Re: Old skirmishers tactical bug

    I even set Hold_Fire melee state for them in defend purposed ai_formation, they stand for 1-2 seconds and then run towards enemy again.

    I'll try Fire_At_Will only as you suggest. But seems that it's friendly-to-enemy-missile-strenght modificator or something like this is the solution.

    I saw mention about passive behavior even in attack in Darth Vader's mod, so technicaly it's possible to do it, we just have to find a way.

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    Default Re: Old skirmishers tactical bug

    I think the EBII team has gathered much experience in this (iirc, they turned on and off javelins between various versions, perhaps because of this issue).

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    Default Re: Old skirmishers tactical bug

    As a start I used z3n's .xml from Skynet, seems that problems are the same.

    Now I'm trying to change parameters there but their names and purpose are totally uncertain - outshoot-bias, stall-limit, missile-contribution etc. All I see is that changing those parameters have effect, mostly negative - units ignores enemy untill the melee cohesion and don't help fighting neighbours that suffer just near. So those findings are blind and low effective but I keep it on.

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