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    Nicely done!

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    I think the tip of the sword is a bit too triangular, can you make it more rounded almost at the edge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl of Memory View Post
    I think the tip of the sword is a bit too triangular, can you make it more rounded almost at the edge?
    The falchion is the bad boy I have to work on alongside the tunics' textures. I built it quickly to have a taste of the model as a whole. 2 boxes quickly pasted together onto one of the hilts I already had

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    I share you the warhammer I made for your Pelargir units. It is in OBJ format (if you need another format just let me know, but that is the easiest to import into Milkshape).
    If you already know how to import it to your units just ignore the following:

    1.- Extract the zip file to your working directory.
    2.- Go to: File > Import > Wavefront OBJ
    3.- The warhammer model should appear now. Select it.
    4.- Assign materials.
    5.- Assign bones.
    6.- Assign comments. (extremely important! or you will get Jesus syndrome or CTD or both).
    7.- Adjust textures as necessary.

    It is NOT textured, I leave that to you
    If you have any issue with it in game let me know, as I did not play test it, but it should be alright.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl of Memory View Post
    I share you the warhammer I made for your Pelargir units. It is in OBJ format (if you need another format just let me know, but that is the easiest to import into Milkshape).

    It is NOT textured, I leave that to you
    If you have any issue with it in game let me know, as I did not play test it, but it should be alright.
    3d wise I work solely on Milkshape, so it's perfect. Merci!

    EDIT: I had to start working on that

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    Quote Originally Posted by ErTidda View Post
    3d wise I work solely on Milkshape, so it's perfect. Merci!

    EDIT: I had to start working on that

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    Bravooo! It's very cool man

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    The poor lad looks frustrated,
    That's a nice model, though, well done!
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    Quote Originally Posted by paleologos View Post
    The poor lad looks frustrated,
    That's a nice model, though, well done!
    They got caught robbing. happens. Now the bath is somehow no more locked 24/7. Edit: dang I'm getting censored. That emote is quite on point tho

    Sad facts aside, I actually finished the model. I'm pretty satisfied, I only have to work on the normals and maybe some more detailing on the texture.

    Spoiler for hammerers side

    Spoiler for hammerers front


    I also redid the falchions for the buckler unit. It still needs some love on the texture, but I focused on the hammerer

    Spoiler for swashbuckler


    Now, some technical speaking.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Lux View Post
    Your transparency issue might be caused by the fall-off from regular brushes. I suggest you try the pencil tool to paint your alphas.
    Alternatively you can try sharpening your alpha channel.
    I actually hand-erased every pixel of the figure both diffuse and normalmap, RGB and alpha channel. Looked a bit on the forums, turned out it's probably due to how the m2tw engine handles the transparency. No workaround for that. I had to better redraw the model.

    One thing I might need a help on. The hammerers animation (I used the MTW2_mace one) was really cluncky during melee fight. Is my animation pack bugged or is it me not knowing something?

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    I think the shields would look better if they had some rim visible in the front side, otherwise they look cool!

    One thing I might need a help on. The hammerers animation (I used the MTW2_mace one) was really cluncky during melee fight. Is my animation pack bugged or is it me not knowing something?
    First time I've seen anyone mention this.

    Looked a bit on the forums, turned out it's probably due to how the m2tw engine handles the transparency.
    I think it may depend on the graphics settings of the game to some degree too. In some people's screenshots things with transparency look better than on other people's screenshots.

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    Not a big fan of alphas myself. Adding some more detail to the mesh is a good idea.

    The shields look thin, I would make them a bit thicker.

    The swords look a bit dark and dull, can't say if it's the mesh or the texture (maybe both). Can you post a pic of the sword meshes from the milkshape viewport (with and without texture)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Araval View Post
    I think the shields would look better if they had some rim visible in the front side, otherwise they look cool!
    I actually thought them to be built as a metal foil nailed on wood. So no real rim, except for the nails (that were lacking in the screenshot)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Araval View Post
    First time I've seen anyone mention this.
    The soldiers that are not actually fighting have like a random frame during the animation. It's weird.But maybe it's just me. I'd have to reinstall m2tw to be sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Araval View Post
    I think it may depend on the graphics settings of the game to some degree too. In some people's screenshots things with transparency look better than on other people's screenshots.
    But then it's border-line random, not exactly my favorite adjective. Not the biggest problem, it would have only been a tiny time-saver, amen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Lux View Post
    The shields look thin, I would make them a bit thicker.
    I can see you point. I readjusted them so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Lux View Post
    The swords look a bit dark and dull, can't say if it's the mesh or the texture (maybe both). Can you post a pic of the sword meshes from the milkshape viewport (with and without texture)?
    Yes sir yes (I already lightened the texture a bit here). I'm not too keen on unwelding vertices on the blades tho.
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    You have a problem there with the vertex normals, which is causing the black shadows around the edge of the blade. There is a fix that doesn't involve unwelding vertices.
    What you want to do is slightly move the UV coordinates of one side of the blade.

    -hide every group except the sword group you are working on
    -in the model tab, pick the Select tool and select option Face, also tick ignore backfaces
    -select the blade faces from the top viewport
    -go to Window>Texture Coordinate Editor (ctrl+T)
    -with the move tool move the blade UV coordinates slightly to the left or right
    -go to Edit>Refresh Textures with auto-smooth selected
    -shadows should not be visible anymore
    -repeat it with the other sword groups

    It seems a bit long but it should only take a couple of minutes to do.
    It's a rule of milkshape, vertex that occupy the same 3D space and same uv coordinates create smoothed edges and vertex that do not occupy the same 3d space OR same UV coordinates create hard edges.

    As for the texture, I would add some brighter highlights to the blade diffuse texture or work on the specular map to make the metal more reflective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Lux View Post
    It's a rule of milkshape, vertex that occupy the same 3D space and same uv coordinates create smoothed edges and vertex that do not occupy the same 3d space OR same UV coordinates create hard edges.
    Wow, I didn't know that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Lux View Post
    As for the texture, I would add some brighter highlights to the blade diffuse texture or work on the specular map to make the metal more reflective.
    Yeah, I'm using a pretty dark palette for the normal's alpha at the moment, I was already thinking of changing that for that same reason.

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    These are nice falchions ErTidda, but don't you think that their poly count is on the "high" end for a game like this?
    In any case if you re-weld vertices remember to use the "Clean" function (under the tools tab) of milkshape before you save and exit, or ms3D will mess up the UV mapping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paleologos View Post
    These are nice falchions ErTidda, but don't you think that their poly count is on the "high" end for a game like this?
    You're trying to sow the seed of doubt in me. They don't have to trick your eyes tho, those falchions don't have much polys. It's a game of stretch and wide. Still, I'm testing perforce every unit on my windows xp laptop before taking screenshots with the desktop. If I can run things there, I'm pretty sure the game can handle it. I cannot technically run ETW on that thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by paleologos View Post
    In any case if you re-weld vertices remember to use the "Clean" function (under the tools tab) of milkshape before you save and exit, or ms3D will mess up the UV mapping.
    Another thing I didn't know. Luckily it still hasn't happened to me.

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    Default Re: [WIP] Unit Workshop

    Long time no see, but I could go back to work, so less time for modding. So, this is how it's going for Lebennin as for now:

    Spoiler for elite pelargir unit, hammerers

    Spoiler for shock unit, "swashbucklers"

    Spoiler for line infantry, halberdiers

    Spoiler for line infantry, crossbowmen


    I'm still struggling a bit with the textures (dunno why the officer's cape keeps being freaking glossy as hell), so I'm progressing slowly.
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