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    Default [Decision] Dissolve the Curia

    I propose that we just dissolve the Curia entirely. The Curia doesn't actually do anything anymore, so we may as well just bring an end to it.

    Edit: I have been informed that this proposal is not pretentious enough for the Curia. Hopefully this photographic image will rectify this shortcoming.
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    Default Re: [Decision] Dissolve the Curia

    You would, cos you just landed a plushy job with the Curia. C'mon the Curia does nothing.




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    Sorry, you the proposal lack pretentiousness, thus does not qualify as a Curia initiative. OPPOSED.

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    Default Re: [Decision] Dissolve the Curia

    Opposed. When your dog is sick, you don't kill him straight away but (I hope) try to cure him first.
    The Curia recognizes contributions to the site and gives awards. It also appears quite important for some people for whatever reason that I respect nevertheless. That's enough for me to justify its existence for now.
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    Default Re: [Decision] Dissolve the Curia

    Quote Originally Posted by Commissar Caligula_ View Post
    I propose that we just dissolve the Curia entirely. The Curia doesn't actually do anything anymore, so we may as well just bring an end to it.

    Edit: I have been informed that this proposal is not pretentious enough for the Curia. Hopefully this photographic image will rectify this shortcoming.
    Dont mind me, just here to say: Nice.

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    Default Re: [Decision] Dissolve the Curia

    If this was a serious proposal, with an alternative to take care of awards. I'd support it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halie Satanus View Post
    If this was a serious proposal, with an alternative to take care of awards. I'd support it.
    A basic structure (with curial staff and rules/constitution) is needed to carry out the distribution of prizes. (You need a guy to open a poll, declare a winner, close a thread, etc.)
    If you want to get rid of dead weight, get rid of official referrals, voncs, proposals and amendments, things that any user can do from the questions and sugestions subforum. Maybe it would result in chaos, but at least it would be fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mishkin View Post
    A basic structure (with curial staff and rules/constitution) is needed to carry out the distribution of prizes. (You need a guy to open a poll, declare a winner, close a thread, etc.)
    If you want to get rid of dead weight, get rid of official referrals, voncs, proposals and amendments, things that any user can do from the questions and sugestions subforum. Maybe it would result in chaos, but at least it would be fun.
    I support this approach.
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    I disagree because it would water down the principle of citizenry. That perhaps doesn't mean much for you but it still does for some members as explained by Veteraan here. That's actually the main reason why I'm involved, still and again, in the Curia despite my own opinion about it.
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    It seems good to me to reward citizenship only to those who have good behavior and I think it is good to expect good behavior from citizens, but the citizen referrals have no relation to how the vast majority of citizens behave, nor does it serve as a deterrent to the very few citizens who from time to time act like idiots. That said, nor did it seem wrong to me simply to grant a consul or the administration the power to withdraw their citizenship from people who have really screwed it up. (What I have proposed in my first post is all a bit of a wild west approach, not very thought out, of course).
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    Opposed.

    Dissolving the Curia will never happen, not as long GED is the site owner.

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    Default Re: [Decision] Dissolve the Curia

    Quote Originally Posted by Leonardo View Post
    Dissolving the Curia will never happen, not as long GED is the site owner.
    Even the most stubborn may fall to time, context, and depressing revelation.

    That said, all this obviously runs in contrast to my motives at the moment. Three guesses what I think of it. That said, if we don't want to try and spark up the Curia for what it is/was, it might as well be downscaled permanently per some of the thoughts in this thread, because for all a scant few members get of it these days, the net result is depressingly irrelevant.

    If revival is not an option for the time being and the choice is between neutering it further or skipping along the lake per now... I'd probably still oppose on the principle that an eventual waste of time in the current result is still time you're wasting here and not elsewhere, as would happen if there wasn't even the pretense of more to do. At least with the way it is we have something to about, even if I'd probably drop off and do something else eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lifthrasir View Post
    I disagree because it would water down the principle of citizenry.
    Sadly, that's been an ongoing process for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commissar Caligula_ View Post
    C'mon the Curia does nothing.
    The Curia is actually important for the Tribunal and that's to observe moderation not being too harsh and a member, any member, can appeal (citizen or non-citizen can appeal for either reducing or removing an infraction) in the Tribunal.

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    Although the judges could also be appointed by Hex or elected by a concilium plebis of non-citizens, as i remember by registering on the site only to subdue myself to the TOS, not to the will of not from me elected citizens, which judge me in court or representing my will on this site.

    A lot would be won if citizen understand that citizenship is an honorary title and no noble patent and in the public act like that.
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    So citizenship still exist for the sake of rewarding those on the site, but we can't get rid of citizenship because we need someone to give awards.

    if members no longer value citizenship and citizens no longer value it to pass it along, is there a point in awarding members?

    The Curia is like someone dying an agonizing death, the living relatives bear not the thought of doing anything to end all hope why everyone else would neither miss nor feel the loss personally.

    I think I Decided to be UNDECIDED.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mishkin View Post
    It seems good to me to reward citizenship only to those who have good behavior and I think it is good to expect good behavior from citizens, but the citizen referrals have no relation to how the vast majority of citizens behave, nor does it serve as a deterrent to the very few citizens who from time to time act like idiots. That said, nor did it seem wrong to me simply to grant a consul or the administration the power to withdraw their citizenship from people who have really screwed it up. (What I have proposed in my first post is all a bit of a wild west approach, not very thought out, of course).
    Taking the risk to disgress a bit and that will be my last bit on that point: the point in the actual curial system is that referrals have to be approved by the Praefects first before to actually take place. The recent case is not enough to review that principle for now imo. Of course, if referrals become again a bad habbit of some, then that principle can be reviewed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Morticia Iunia Bruti View Post
    Although the judges could also be appointed by Hex or elected by a concilium plebis of non-citizens, as i remember by registering on the site only to subdue myself to the TOS, not to the will of not from me elected citizens, which judge me in court or representing my will on this site.

    A lot would be won if citizen understand that citizenship is an honorary title and no noble patent and in the public act like that.
    Well, in that case, no point at all to keep such feature/principle and just act like any other site in where basically Moderation is the Law and no discussion about its decisions is peritted. Then, TWC would loose its specificity. Not sure that most of the members would agree, especially from the Mudpit.
    Quote Originally Posted by Halie Satanus View Post
    Sadly, that's been an ongoing process for a long time.
    Quote Originally Posted by PikeStance View Post
    So citizenship still exist for the sake of rewarding those on the site, but we can't get rid of citizenship because we need someone to give awards.

    if members no longer value citizenship and citizens no longer value it to pass it along, is there a point in awarding members?

    The Curia is like someone dying an agonizing death, the living relatives bear not the thought of doing anything to end all hope why everyone else would neither miss nor feel the loss personally.

    I think I Decided to be UNDECIDED.

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    BTW, this is a serious proposal.
    Possibly. Who knows? But there's still new blood coming to the Curia and this kind of discussion like here, here or even here (even if minor) makes me think that nothing is engraved in stone for sure yet.
    In any case, dissolving the Curia won't change anything nor help. The Curia might be useless or agonizing for some but it can not be blamed for the site issues. In the worst case, let it die "natural".
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