War drums; beating softly for now

[Vanoi]

Please address the concerns of your own white american Generals in the Pentagon. Then we can have a real discussion.

Sorry you gotta address the J-15 and China's severe problem with modern air combat experience.

[Exarch]

Sorry you gotta address the J-15 and China's severe problem with modern air combat experience.

That's not a concern for me, but it's concerning enough for your Generals who think they can't stand against China and her J-15s.

But of course, let's just forget about the West Point/Annapolis/etc trained Generals who came up with their war-games and listen to mighty keyboard warriors like yourselves.

On that note, i would also downgrade the US' ability to go to war with China considering how many Americans were talking about how to dodge the draft in January 2020 when the US killed Solemeini.

[Vanoi]

That's not a concern for me, but it's concerning enough for your Generals who think they can't stand against China and her J-15s.

Did you read your link? Its about a book thats not written by a general.

And if China can beat the US now, then why not take Taiwan? Whats stopping China if the US is so weak now?

[Exarch]

Did you read your link? Its about a book thats not written by a general

It's written by policymakers working with Generals on war-games that arrived at the same conclusion: China has the US beat in every likely scenario in Asia.
It's about policymakers, Generals and their advisors acknowledging that they can't win a modern war with China in 2020 and every year that passes, whatever little advantage and edge they used to have diminishes tenfold.

And if China can beat the US now, then why not take Taiwan? Whats stopping China if the US is so weak now?

why should it? That's like the US going ahead and invading Canada as per War Plan Red.

Taiwan's reunification is inevitable at this point, barring some suicide by PLA action by the DPP.

[Vanoi]

It's written by policymakers working with Generals on war-games that arrived at the same conclusion: China has the US beat in every likely scenario in Asia.

No its only written by one person. Again did you bother to read your own link?

It's about policymakers, Generals and their advisors acknowledging that they can't win a modern war with China in 2020 and every year that passes, whatever little advantage and edge they used to have diminishes tenfold.

Again its just one guy. And its scare mongering. My favorite part is where he talks about China being able take out US satellites. A capability the US has itself. And honestly blowing up satellites in space is a horrible idea that will everyone over in the end.

why should it? That's like the US going ahead and invading Canada as per War Plan Red.

Taiwan's reunification is inevitable at this point, barring some suicide by PLA action by the DPP.

So what you're saying is that China can't Taiwan and beat the US?

[Exarch]

No its only written by one person. Again did you bother to read your own link?

Again its just one guy. And its scare mongering.

Just one guy who conducted war-games as part of his job as the "staff director of the Senate Armed Services Committee and a close adviser to late senator John McCain (R-Ariz.)."

Yeah, just one guy.

My favorite part is where he talks about China being able take out US satellites. A capability the US has itself. And honestly blowing up satellites in space is a horrible idea that will everyone over in the end.

By the time the white supremacist Anglos in the Beltway decide to go to war with China, worrying about the Kessler syndrome will be a moot point. People, specifically americans should be more concerned about fighting super mutants and avoiding radiation.

So what you're saying is that China can't Taiwan and beat the US?

If it helps you sleep better at night, believe what you wish.

See, the problem your leaders have is that they believe a new Cold War is just what America, the Nation needs to save itself from collapse; a new foreign Enemy to give the american people a purpose; your leaders believe they can calibrate this new Cold War and rake in the $$$ when they retire to piss easy jobs at xyzzy think tank and Halliburton and Boeing. That's why they talk stupid like "low yield nuclear warheads" and "limited war with China".

You think China's going to agree to let it remain "limited"?

[Vanoi]

Just one guy who conducted war-games as part of his job as the "staff director of the Senate Armed Services Committee and a close adviser to late senator John McCain (R-Ariz.)."

So he's not a general like you claimed?

Yeah, just one guy.

Yep he is the sole author of the book.

By the time the white supremacist Anglos in the Beltway decide to go to war with China, worrying about the Kessler syndrome will be a moot point. People, specifically americans should be more concerned about fighting super mutants and avoiding radiation

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China only just recently developed the ability to hit all of the US with its missiles. I'm not worried. US has China outclassed in nukes.

If it helps you sleep better at night, believe what you wish.

You compared it to War Plan Red. Biggest problem with War Plan Red is the US couldn't win. So basically admitted China doesn't have the capability to take Taiwan.

See, the problem your leaders have is that they believe a new Cold War is just what America, the Nation needs to save itself from collapse; a new foreign Enemy to give the american people a purpose; your leaders believe they can calibrate this new Cold War and rake in the $$$ when they retire to piss easy jobs at xyzzy think tank and Halliburton and Boeing. That's why they talk stupid like "low yield nuclear warheads" and "limited war with China".

You think China's going to agree to let it remain "limited"?

Not just the US building low-yield nukes. Russia, Pakistan, and China itself are too.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/chinas-l...s_3313888.html

Seems China itself believes the war can be limited.

[RedGuard]

are we really discussing the absurdity of limited nuclear warfare with such nonchalance?

[Vanoi]

are we really discussing the absurdity of limited nuclear warfare with such nonchalance?

Should we be panicking instead?

[Exarch]

So he's not a general like you claimed?

lol ah the eternal american and his love of twisting words like they're spells. I can't say i'm surprised, American colleges think reality can be twisted with words.

In case you aren't aware the Senate Armed Services Committee works with Generals to arrive at conclusions in the article.

Yep he is the sole author of the book.

uh huh.

China only just recently developed the ability to hit all of the US with its missiles. I'm not worried. US has China outclassed in nukes.

Not according to reality.

China's DF-41D has the furthest range out of the existing ICBMs in 2020.

You compared it to War Plan Red. Biggest problem with War Plan Red is the US couldn't win.

War Plan Red was a plan for the US to invade Canada "in perpetuity"; China will take taiwan sooner or later, and there's nothing you can do about it because americans just aint willing to die in another Asian war.

Oh and according to the Pentagon, america's recruits are also too fat:

A staggering number of troops are fat and tired, report says

Source: https://www.militarytimes.com/off-du...d-report-says/

Not just the US building low-yield nukes. Russia, Pakistan, and China itself are too.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/chinas-l...s_3313888.html

the Epoch Times? the Trump loving, falun dafa outlet? LOL ok, at least use OANN next time.

are we really discussing the absurdity of limited nuclear warfare with such nonchalance?

The USG has been pushing for "tactical nuclear warfare" for years now.

Effectively, america's leaders are christian fundamentalists who believe in bringing about the end of days.

[B. W.]

lol ah the eternal american and his love of twisting words like they're spells. I can't say i'm surprised, American colleges think reality can be twisted with words.

In case you aren't aware the Senate Armed Services Committee works with Generals to arrive at conclusions in the article.


uh huh.


Not according to reality.

China's DF-41D has the furthest range out of the existing ICBMs in 2020.




War Plan Red was a plan for the US to invade Canada "in perpetuity"; China will take taiwan sooner or later, and there's nothing you can do about it because americans just aint willing to die in another Asian war.

Oh and according to the Pentagon, america's recruits are also too fat:

Source: https://www.militarytimes.com/off-du...d-report-says/



the Epoch Times? the Trump loving, falun dafa outlet? LOL ok, at least use OANN next time.





The USG has been pushing for "tactical nuclear warfare" for years now.

Effectively, america's leaders are christian fundamentalists who believe in bringing about the end of days.

Hmmm, epoch times was the most informative source on the virus in China.

[Exarch]

Hmmm, epoch times was the most informative source on the virus in China.

According to whom? QAnon?

Strange how none of QAnon talking points are verified by actual scientists and actual scientific journals. anyhow, this is all going off topic; we're here to talk about war.

And the war drums are beating for civil war in America...

[Vanoi]

lol ah the eternal american and his love of twisting words like they're spells. I can't say i'm surprised, American colleges think reality can be twisted with words.

In case you aren't aware the Senate Armed Services Committee works with Generals to arrive at conclusions in the article.

In case you are unaware he's still not a general like you claimed nor his book written by generals.

Not according to reality.

China's DF-41D has the furthest range out of the existing ICBMs in 2020.

And when did the DF-41 come into service? 2017. So only recently did China gain the ability to strike all of the US. Both Russia and the US has ICBMs capable of hitting any target in the world in the 1960s. Congrats on finally catching up.

War Plan Red was a plan for the US to invade Canada "in perpetuity"; China will take taiwan sooner or later, and there's nothing you can do about it because americans just aint willing to die in another Asian war.

You haven't read War Plan Red at all have you?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red

Joint Army and Navy Basic War Plan Red was one of the color-coded war plans created by the United States War Department in the late 1920s and the early 1930s to estimate the requirements for a hypothetical war with the United Kingdom (the "Red" forces).[1] War Plan Red discussed the potential for fighting a war with the British Empire and outlined those steps necessary to defend the Atlantic coast against any attempted invasion of the United States. It further discussed fighting a two-front war with both Japan and Britain simultaneously (as envisioned in War Plan Red-Orange).

It was a plan to go to war with the entire British Empire and even Japan (War Plan Red-Orange). Something couldn't have won. So you are admitting China can't take Taiwan if you compare it to War Plan Red.

the Epoch Times? the Trump loving, falun dafa outlet? LOL ok, at least use OANN next time.

https://time.com/5597955/china-nucle...ence/?amp=true

Try again Exarch. China is developing low yield nukes like everyone is.

[Exarch]

...gibberish..

Please address how the US is going to go about preventing civil war by instigating a war with China?

[Vanoi]

Please address how the US is going to go about preventing civil war by instigating a war with China?

No threat of civil war in America. And its China who will start the war being the aggressive country they are.

Come on. Tell me how China is going to take Taiwan when you just admitted it could not.

[Exarch]

No threat of civil war in America.

You sure about that?

This model forecast the US's current unrest a decade ago. It now says 'civil war'

Source: https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/progr...l-war/12365280

No matter who wins the Presidency, there's going to chaos in the streets; no matter the sentencing of derek chauvin, there's going to be mass unrest

And its China who will start the war being the aggressive country they are.

okayyyyyyy, can i interest you in prime beachfront property in arizona?

The united states is currently in decline and as a declining nation, is trying to start chaos around the world to manage its dilution of power in much the same way the byzantine empire had to adapt and resort to instigating chaos around itself when it couldn't use the roman army to enforce its foreign policy (Luttwak).

BREAKING NEWS:
The US just tried to a cheap stunt in typical schoolgirl fashion:

U.S. diplomats staged photo to pressure China over nuclear talks, Russian paper says

U.S. diplomats staged a photo showing Chinese flags in front of empty seats at the start of nuclear talks in Vienna on Monday as a way to pressure Beijing over its refusal to participate, the Russian newspaper Kommersant reported.

According to Kommersant, Russia's delegation in Vienna objected to the placement of the Chinese flags without China's presence, and the Russian ambassador to Austria posted a photo of the meeting room, after the talks had started showing participants with only only name cards and bottles of water on the table.

Some relevant tweets:
https://twitter.com/ElenaChernenko/s...00790332125184


Man, white americans sure are getting desperate in trying to curb China's advanced missile tech; too bad, there's no way in hell they're gonna be able to evade Chinese missiles.

[Vanoi]

You sure about that?



Source: https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/progr...l-war/12365280

No matter who wins the Presidency, there's going to chaos in the streets; no matter the sentencing of derek chauvin, there's going to be mass unrest

Your source cites an unpublished paper. Funny enough i can't find the paper anywhere to actually read.

You don't know much about Jack do you? He's predicted China's own collapse. Twice.

https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/preparing-chinas-turmoil

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1149004

So do you think he's right?

okayyyyyyy, can i interest you in prime beachfront property in arizona?

The united states is currently in decline and as a declining nation, is trying to start chaos around the world to manage its dilution of power in much the same way the byzantine empire had to adapt and resort to instigating chaos around itself when it couldn't use the roman army to enforce its foreign policy (Luttwak).

Power is control and chaos is the opposite of control. Its more likely power like China will seek to challenge the dominate power for influence which would be the US. We have seen such aggressive actions against India.

[Exarch]

Your source cites an unpublished paper. Funny enough i can't find the paper anywhere to actually read.

You don't know much about Jack do you? He's predicted China's own collapse. Twice.

https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/preparing-chinas-turmoil

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1149004

So do you think he's right?

erm, i don't see sources by Turchin, the principal academic in my source:

Ten years ago, Professor Turchin pointed his model towards the future, and made an uncannily accurate prediction. Just like in the 1850s, crisis indicators were rising, he wrote in the journal Nature. They could be a reliable indicator of looming instability and "look set to peak in the years around 2020," he wrote.

btw, the "China Collapse Theory" is a popular grift which has made millionaires of the likes of gordon chang and Ron Vara, tapping into the insecurity of white american males.

Power is control and chaos is the opposite of control. Its more likely power like China will seek to challenge the dominate power for influence which would be the US.

Yes, yes i'm sure this is what americans tell themselves. Bigger question is, are white Americans prepared to die for their power hold in Asia?

Chinese are prepared to fight and die for a conflict in Asia, white americans are not, especially with the current civil war conditions in CONUS.

The fact that aircraft carrier captain Crozier chose his men's lives over "containing China" speaks volumes about the state of American morale when it comes to war in Asia.

We have seen such aggressive actions against India.

Well deserved action, might i add. Something white americans will soon know this century.

[Vanoi]

erm, i don't see sources by Turchin, the principal academic in my source:


btw, the "China Collapse Theory" is a popular grift which has made millionaires of the likes of gordon chang and Ron Vara, tapping into the insecurity of white american males.

Except your source is citing an unpublished paper by Jack Goldstone as the cornerstone of their civil war theory. Turchin's model is irrelevant.

My point in mentioning his claims of a Chinese collapae is that he's been wrong before when making claims that a state is going to collapse. Who says he isnt wrong here too?

Yes, yes i'm sure this is what americans tell themselves. Bigger question is, are white Americans prepared to die for their power hold in Asia?

Chinese are prepared to fight and die for a conflict in Asia, white americans are not, especially with the current civil war conditions in CONUS.

The fact that aircraft carrier captain Crozier chose his men's lives over "containing China" speaks volumes about the state of American morale when it comes to war in Asia.


Well deserved action, might i add. Something white americans will soon know this century.

Its an assumption that Chinese will die for Asia. They certainly didn't want to die back in Vietnam in the 19970s. China having no modern fighting experience will definitely show if they go to war.

[Exarch]

My point in mentioning his claims of a Chinese collapae is that he's been wrong before when making claims that a state is going to collapse. Who says he isnt wrong here too?

Have you not noticed the gangs of revolutionaries patrolling the streets of america? The police resigning in droves? the utter Maiden-like conditions in the United States?

You can play Marie Antoinette and pretend all's right in the world but the day of the guillotine comes ever closer for white america.

Its an assumption that Chinese will die for Asia. They certainly didn't want to die back in Vietnam in the 19970s. China having no modern fighting experience will definitely show if they go to war.

who says China will "die for asia"?

China will fight and kill to recover Taiwan, no white american wants to die for Taiwan, let alone Asia. A war with China would require conscription and given the cowardly nature of americans on popular site "reddit", when the possibility of war with Iran was a real thing in January 2020, i'm not counting on the fighting prowess of the american male.

And on the note of the american male, most are having trouble finding wives and even getting sex, given that most American males are virgins. This will make them extra aggressive and violent which accounts for the mega waves of destruction in the riots this past month. This trend was also observed amongst the Arab youth prior to the Arab Spring: mass unemployment, large numbers of young males.

Certainly, the war drums beat louder and louder for Civil War in America.