War drums; beating softly for now

[Vanoi]

Have you not noticed the gangs of revolutionaries patrolling the streets of america? The police resigning in droves? the utter Maiden-like conditions in the United States?

Do you know anything about the history of America? The George Floyd riots/protests are nothing compared to the MLK Jr. Riots.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King...%20Civil%20War.

The MLK Jr riots were the worst amount of civil unrest the US had since the Civil War and still is. 20000 plus people arrested, over 3000 injured, riots in over 100 American cities, all the while this happened during a time of great social upheaval in the US. Lasting almost 2 months.

If the US didn't descend into civil war in 1968, it certainly won't now.

who says China will "die for asia"?

You did. Chinese are willing to fight and die for any conflict in Asia. Fighting for China's Asian ambitions.

China will fight and kill to recover Taiwan, no white american wants to die for Taiwan, let alone Asia. A war with China would require conscription and given the cowardly nature of americans on popular site "reddit", when the possibility of war with Iran was a real thing in January 2020, i'm not counting on the fighting prowess of the white american male.

Considering China's extreme lack of combat experience and no evidence the Chinese will fight and die for Taiwan, i don't expect China to win anything.

[conon394]

China will fight and kill to recover Taiwan, no white american wants to die for Taiwan, let alone Asia. A war with China would require conscription and given the cowardly nature of americans on popular site "reddit", when the possibility of war with Iran was a real thing in January 2020, i'm not counting on the fighting prowess of the american male.

Err you are citing you view of reddit as measure of US reaction a theoretical Chinese invasion of Taiwan. Man I hope China or Russia hires you as an advisor.

[Exarch]

Err you are citing you view of reddit as measure of US reaction a theoretical Chinese invasion of Taiwan. Man I hope China or Russia hires you as an advisor.

LOL If the NYT, WaPo, Reuters etc can use SinaWeibo and Tianya as a gauge of Chinese Netizen sentiment, why shouldn't reddit which encompasses the eastern seaboard and west coast, not be representative of the american netizen as well?

Fact remains, that rather than declare their commitment for war and the glory of the american nation, the american netizen expressed cowardice and fear in the face of war with iran.

[Aexodus]

Several posts relating to the George Floyd protests have been moved. You are asked to stay on the topic of China’s military ambitions or actions.

[conon394]

LOL If the NYT, WaPo, Reuters etc can use SinaWeibo and Tianya as a gauge of Chinese Netizen sentiment, why shouldn't reddit which encompasses the eastern seaboard and west coast, not be representative of the american netizen as well?

Fact remains, that rather than declare their commitment for war and the glory of the american nation, the american netizen expressed cowardice and fear in the face of war with iran.

That one source uses a non scientific basis for ascertaining public opinion does not make another such attempt any more useful.

Fact remains, that rather than declare their commitment for war and the glory of the american nation, the american netizen expressed cowardice and fear in the face of war with iran.

Glory?

I give you Wilfred Owen he would have words...

Dulce et Decorum est

https://poets.org/poem/dulce-et-decorum-est

Also Pindar and Erasmus

"War is sweet to them that know it not." or "War is sweet to those who have not experienced it"

[RedGuard]

Certainly, the war drums beat louder and louder for Civil War in America

no war drums necessary, just the last gasp of air before the plunge

[B. W.]

More intransigence from China. Now their going after a wildlife preserve:

https://www.breitbart.com/national-s...dispute-india/

It is clear that China is looking for a place to direct the rising discontent that is bubbling up within China itself. This same sort of thing has been repeated in history many times with totalitarian states and nearly always has the same result.

[RedGuard]

what about the fact that Modi literally admitted that Indian troops were on the wrong side of hte border?

also you could just as easily turn your analysis around on India. Unlike China for most people in India the standard of living has not risen, and since a nationalist has come to power they've almost had a war with Pakistan, occupied Kasmir and fighting with Chinese in their country.

It sounds like India is beating the war drums softly.

[Vanoi]

what about the fact that Modi literally admitted that Indian troops were on the wrong side of hte border?

also you could just as easily turn your analysis around on India. Unlike China for most people in India the standard of living has not risen, and since a nationalist has come to power they've almost had a war with Pakistan, occupied Kasmir and fighting with Chinese in their country.

India has held possession of Kashmir since 1948. Are you referring to their annexation of it?

It sounds like India is beating the war drums softly.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ensions-erupt/

And that was before the recent border clashes.

[AqD]

The other two regions are an area of western China that has a large Uyghur Muslim population and Tibet. The colonization by the Han has been somewhat successful in the Uyghur region, but it requires a large military presence to secure it. In the event of a war those troops would have to remain there to preserve stability in a very hostile population; presently, upwards of 2,000,000 Uyghurs are undergoing "rehabilitation".

It's not a colonization happening now, but already happened and completed by the previous republic (= current government in Taiwan), who after revolution proceed to claim the Manchurian oppressors as one of Chinese people and all their conquered lands are thus part of new China.

Both areas had been under PRC control for more than half a century and terrorist activities didn't begin until recent decade. The "rehabilitation" is a response to that not the colonization.

Many people aren't aware that China has cast a covetous eye towards Taiwan since the 1940s. For at least two decades they have had the stated goal of "unification" with Taiwan. The same, of course, goes for Hong Cong. In preparation for a military operation China has been building up its military offensive capabilities for two decades and it routinely conducts military operations in the south China Sea, but never before at this level:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ruggle-taiwan/

Now it goes without saying that China would rather take over Taiwan peacefully such as it did with Hong Cong by making promises it never plans to keep; just ask the people of Hong Cong about that. The recent elections in Taiwan have driven a spike through those Chinese aspirations of a peaceful takeover. Not only that, in spite of 5,000 years of common language and culture, the Taiwanese have taken to calling themselves just that; Taiwanese.

Any occupation of Taiwan will not take place peacefully, the Taiwanese will not allow that.

Did you see any street fighting in HK?

How about you rephrase the question:

- Will you allow PRC take over? Never
- Will you pick a rifle and fight? Nope
- What will you do for the resistance? Post on social media for US intervention!

Also real Taiwanese are the natives not illegal Chinese immigrants who form over 95% of the current population.

[B. W.]

I suppose this is what passes for logic from a CCP apologist. It makes one wonder where, if at all, you attended a world studies class.

It's not a colonization happening now, but already happened and completed by the previous republic (= current government in Taiwan), who after revolution proceed to claim the Manchurian oppressors as one of Chinese people and all their conquered lands are thus part of new China.

Both areas had been under PRC control for more than half a century and terrorist activities didn't begin until recent decade. The "rehabilitation" is a response to that not the colonization.

Chang and his crew were fighting the CCP before and during WW2 and at the same time fighting the invading Japanese. It is the CCP (Han Chinese) that have made a serious attempt at colonizing the Uighur region of China and that has been since Chang was driven out of the mainland. Chang did most of the fighting against the Japanese while at the same time fought the CCP, which left him in a weakened state at the end of WW2.



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d you see any street fighting in HK?

Are you seriously comparing HK's situation to Taiwan? The commonality there is the fact that it shows the CCP's intentions.

How about you rephrase the question:

- Will you allow PRC take over? Never
- Will you pick a rifle and fight? Nope
- What will you do for the resistance? Post on social media for US intervention!

Also real Taiwanese are the natives not illegal Chinese immigrants who form over 95% of the current population.

In the two quotes you used I did not ask a question. You did and then told me I should rephrase it. Are you sure you're focused on what you're trying to say?

For the record, I don't intend to do anything about the CCP's intentions toward Taiwan except comment on it. That appears to be the purpose for the Mudpit.

And finally, the people of Taiwan are Chinese. In fact, most of what remains of ancient Chinese culture survives on Taiwan because on the mainland the CCP has done its best to eradicate it.

[AqD]

It is the CCP (Han Chinese) that have made a serious attempt at colonizing the Uighur region of China and that has been since Chang was driven out of the mainland.

I didn't say it had anything to with Chang. Those regions were claimed by the republic long before he came to power, with zero regard to locals' opinions - note the initial creation was indeed a democracy and those rules and borders were all drafted by the founding members of the party, not warlords.

It was simple imperialism and most people or politicians have no regard for minorities. What happened would be more or less bound to happen if the republic had continued.

As you wrote here:

And finally, the people of Taiwan are Chinese. In fact, most of what remains of ancient Chinese culture survives on Taiwan because on the mainland the CCP has done its best to eradicate it.

And what of the original people in Taiwan, eh? Now you look at those Uyghurs, not so different IMO, except other minorities don't have anything to bind them together in order to make some sort of organized resistance.

Are you seriously comparing HK's situation to Taiwan? The commonality there is the fact that it shows the CCP's intentions.

No I was just trying to show you people aren't going to fight over that. You can't have a war if nobody fights.

Even if some are willing to fight, it cannot start. Both of HK and Taiwan made the fatal mistake to depend on China economically and even helped it in early stage, and many of the elites already changed side long ago (including most of the nationalist party).

[B. W.]

I didn't say it had anything to with Chang. Those regions were claimed by the republic long before he came to power, with zero regard to locals' opinions - note the initial creation was indeed a democracy and those rules and borders were all drafted by the founding members of the party, not warlords.

It was simple imperialism and most people or politicians have no regard for minorities. What happened would be more or less bound to happen if the republic had continued.

As you wrote here:


And what of the original people in Taiwan, eh? Now you look at those Uyghurs, not so different IMO, except other minorities don't have anything to bind them together in order to make some sort of organized resistance.



No I was just trying to show you people aren't going to fight over that. You can't have a war if nobody fights.

Even if some are willing to fight, it cannot start. Both of HK and Taiwan made the fatal mistake to depend on China economically and even helped it in early stage, and many of the elites already changed side long ago (including most of the nationalist party).

It's pretty obvious you made some statements based on your assumptions and not facts and now you're trying to wiggle your way out of looking completely ignorant of China's history. Unfortunately for you, you're making even more assumptive statements to cover for you previous mistake.

You really don't know much about China or its history.

[wanderwegger]

It's pretty obvious you made some statements based on your assumptions and not facts and now you're trying to wiggle your way out of looking completely ignorant of China's history. Unfortunately for you, you're making even more assumptive statements to cover for you previous mistake.

You really don't know much about China or its history.

It's pretty obvious you made some statements based on your assumptions and not facts and now you're trying to wiggle your way out of looking completely ignorant of China's history. Unfortunately for you, you're making even more assumptive statements to cover for you previous mistake.

You really don't know much about China or its history.

[B. W.]

It's pretty obvious you made some statements based on your assumptions and not facts and now you're trying to wiggle your way out of looking completely ignorant of China's history. Unfortunately for you, you're making even more assumptive statements to cover for you previous mistake.

You really don't know much about China or its history.

Now you're resorting to try and sound intelligent by copying and pasting my comments. If you have some additional information go ahead and post it.

[wanderwegger]

"Insert useless drivel and statements seeking to demean intelligence of good faith posters who use real evidence while simultaneously stating that the easily disprovable "facts" being used as arguments have been dismissed after being shown to be the idiocy most of the world over knows they are."

You needed to edit your two sentences huh. Bleak.