USA elections 2020 - 2021

[Coughdrop addict]

Any possible financial connection between Tara Reade and Trump, Republican super PACs, or Russians must be scrutinized. Deciding to come out now after 27 years of silence and repeatedly changing her story can only be understood as being planned to help Trump.

Good thing Republicans already established that sexual assault should be a non-issue.

[chriscase]

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[Gaidin]

Any possible financial connection between Tara Reade and Trump, Republican super PACs, or Russians must be scrutinized. Deciding to come out now after 27 years of silence and repeatedly changing her story can only be understood as being planned to help Trump.

Good thing Republicans already established that sexual assault should be a non-issue.

Forget Reade and Trump. Forget Reade and Putin. The question really is where the hell is Reade's paperwork. When a typical VP background check happens it goes six layers deeper than your typical security clearance. Like, dude, if Obama's team saw a smell of this crap when they were searching for a VP they would've passed over Biden and picked someone else. WHILE HE WAS STILL SENATOR. Where was this complaint in 2008?

[Common Soldier]

Forget Reade and Trump. Forget Reade and Putin. The question really is where the hell is Reade's paperwork. When a typical VP background check happens it goes six layers deeper than your typical security clearance. Like, dude, if Obama's team saw a smell of this crap when they were searching for a VP they would've passed over Biden and picked someone else. WHILE HE WAS STILL SENATOR. Where was this complaint in 2008?

In 2008 the Me Too movement reall didn't have rhe momentum that it does now. You can ask the exact same question abour why didn't the charges against Harvey Weinstein arise years earlier, the allegations against him went back decades. Or the charges avainst Bill Cosby. Recent successes in sexual harassment cases have encouraged women to come forward against Biden who otherwise wouls havw remained silent. Thes complaints hadn't been made in 2008 because rhe women felt no one would believe them in 2008.
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Supreme Court nominations under to thorough evaluation as well, every bit as much as a VP, so why didn't the background checks reveal anything about Clarence Thomas or Kavanaugh? How come.trrhe charges against Kavanaugh came up only 30 YEARS later? To getto be federal court judge, you still havw ttro go trheoufh a screening process, yet in his previous appointments no one caames forward.

And in the case of VP, his nomination does not have to be approved by anyone. There was no forum for the women to come forward on to make their charges. No only have recent cases like Weinstein and Cosby given the women the courage and hope their charges will be believed that they wouldn't have been before but the stakes are much higher now. Being a VP of a relatively young and vigorous president made it unlimely Biden would become president, whereas now the odds are much greater that Biden could become president.

[Gaidin]

In 2008 the Me Too movement reall didn't have rhe momentum that it does now. You can ask the exact same question abour why didn't the charges against Harvey Weinstein arise years earlier, the allegations against him went back decades. Or the charges avainst Bill Cosby. Recent successes in sexual harassment cases have encouraged women to come forward against Biden who otherwise wouls havw remained silent. Thes complaints hadn't been made in 2008 because rhe women felt no one would believe them in 2008.
??
Supreme Court nominations under to thorough evaluation as well, every bit as much as a VP, so why didn't the background checks reveal anything about Clarence Thomas or Kavanaugh? How come.trrhe charges against Kavanaugh came up only 30 YEARS later? To getto be federal court judge, you still havw ttro go trheoufh a screening process, yet in his previous appointments no one caames forward.

And in the case of VP, his nomination does not have to be approved by anyone. There was no forum for the women to come forward on to make their charges. No only have recent cases like Weinstein and Cosby given the women the courage and hope their charges will be believed that they wouldn't have been before but the stakes are much higher now. Being a VP of a relatively young and vigorous president made it unlimely Biden would become president, whereas now the odds are much greater that Biden could become president.

Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby weren't vetted to run for VP.

[Heathen Hammer]

Forget Reade and Trump. Forget Reade and Putin. The question really is where the hell is Reade's paperwork. When a typical VP background check happens it goes six layers deeper than your typical security clearance. Like, dude, if Obama's team saw a smell of this crap when they were searching for a VP they would've passed over Biden and picked someone else. WHILE HE WAS STILL SENATOR. Where was this complaint in 2008?

No reason to forget Reade. Democrats and their pocket journos have been presenting themselves as turbofeminists for decades, and now actively embrace what they themselves refer to as "misogyny" just because their frontrunner is accused of sexual assault That's demonstrating obvious lack of principles. If they throw women's lib under the bus, then there is no doubt they'll do same thing to other groups they claim to defend and support, be it the LGBT, minorities, illegal aliens, etc.

[RedGuard]

whats in the university of Delaware records that Biden is so anxious about

imagine if for people like me, this is the first or second time you have heard Stacy Abrams talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NZdQOaCo_4

and you can see her visibly lying about her "faith in biden"

lets get MSNBC's Joy Ried to bring on a body language expert now.

Thank God Biden wasn't accused of saying a woman couldn't be president or it'd be all over the mainstream instead of the Tara Reade allegation of RAPE.

Biden should drop out and prevent his actions from causing more liberal politicians from ending their careers and destroying the democratic party further.

[Coughdrop addict]

Since the Republican-controlled senate is refusing for some reason to release any records of the alleged incident, records they swear look bad for Biden, and since Reade has changed her story several times, and since this isn't the first time the right has gone after one of it's "enemies" by fabricating sexual assault claims (like they sloppily tried to do with Mueller), and since Republicans overwhelmingly approve of Trump's history of rape and sexual assault, making anything they have to say on the subject worthless; I think Biden should laugh at this Republican smear job and concentrate on getting elected so we can begin the monumental task of rebuilding the country after Republicans destroyed it.

[RedGuard]

Since the Republican-controlled senate is refusing for some reason to release any records of the alleged incident, records they swear look bad for Biden, and since Reade has changed her story several times, and since this isn't the first time the right has gone after one of it's "enemies" by fabricating sexual assault claims (like they sloppily tried to do with Mueller), and since Republicans overwhelmingly approve of Trump's history of rape and sexual assault, making anything they have to say on the subject worthless; I think Biden should laugh at this Republican smear job and concentrate on getting elected so we can begin the monumental task of rebuilding the country after Republicans destroyed it.

her story hasn't changed multiple times. You are lying.

[Ludicus]

Hunter Biden in China, Hunter Biden in Ukraine,the father knows nothing...

John 5:19: "Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself"

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Sander's interview,

Dokoupil: One of your most important allies, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, said recently that she thinks it's legitimate and relevant to talk about sexual assault allegations against Joe Biden. Do you agree?


Sanders: I think it's relevant to talk about anything. And I think any woman who feels that she was assaulted has every right in the world to stand up and make her claims.


Dokoupil: Do you think that should weigh significantly in the mind of-


Sanders: I think that she has the right to make her claims and get a public hearing, and the public will make their own conclusions about it. I just don't know enough about it to comment further.


Dokoupil: All right.

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Sanders for President. no irony intended.

[Coughdrop addict]

her story hasn't changed multiple times. You are lying.

https://medium.com/@eddiekrassenstein/evidence-casts-doubt-on-tara-reades-sexual-assault-allegations-of-joe-biden-e4cb3ee38460

Alexandra Tara Reade came forward last week with quite disturbing allegations against former Vice President and current 2020 Presidential candidate Joe Biden. In April of 2019, Reade originally said that Joe Biden’s handsiness made her feel uncomfortable when she worked as a Senate aide in 1993. At the time, however, she said that she did not consider Biden’s actions to be sexualization, instead comparing her experience to that of being a beautiful lamp.


This story suddenly changed last week when Reade took part in an interview with podcast host Katie Halper. In the interview, Reade claimed that then-Senator Joe Biden “penetrated” her, against her will, with his finger, in an encounter that took place in ‘93.


While the allegations made by Reade are impossible to prove or disprove, examining Reade’s actions over the years and other evidence that has been archived on the internet, brings her honesty and integrity into question.


Below we will cover many of the inconsistencies in her story, the endless contradictions she has made over the years, and the evidence that paints a picture of someone who went from seemingly adoring Joe Biden and disliking Vladimir Putin in 2017, to someone who showed compassion and love for Vladimir Putin in 2018, to someone who accused Biden of doing horrific things to her in 2019 and 2020.

This is the new birth certificate or Seth Rich-style lie Republicans fabricated because they cannot win legitimate elections. Don't let yourself be used by them to harm America.

[Heathen Hammer]

https://medium.com/@eddiekrassenstein/evidence-casts-doubt-on-tara-reades-sexual-assault-allegations-of-joe-biden-e4cb3ee38460



This is the new birth certificate or Seth Rich-style lie Republicans fabricated because they cannot win legitimate elections. Don't let yourself be used by them to harm America.

Indeed, how dare that woman feel uncomfortable while Creepy Joe attempted to rape her!

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But seriously dude, you should probably read your own link.

[the_mango55]

whats in the university of Delaware records that Biden is so anxious about

imagine if for people like me, this is the first or second time you have heard Stacy Abrams talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NZdQOaCo_4

and you can see her visibly lying about her "faith in biden"

lets get MSNBC's Joy Ried to bring on a body language expert now.

Thank God Biden wasn't accused of saying a woman couldn't be president or it'd be all over the mainstream instead of the Tara Reade allegation of RAPE.

Biden should drop out and prevent his actions from causing more liberal politicians from ending their careers and destroying the democratic party further.

What is in the university of Delaware is information about his activities as a senator and VP. Information about how the sausage is made, as it were. There are tons of things that republicans would love to get their hands on to weaponize. Lets say he was trying to work on some legislation that was being blocked from the right AND the left and he called Bernie a ing hole socialist motherer in a private communication with Obama. If that comes out after he retires or dies (which is when it is set to come out), no big deal. If it comes out while he's running for president it will hurt him significantly.

What would never be in there is a sexual harassment accusation. Those records only have what Biden has provided, and why would he provide that?

[Cope]

What is in the university of Delaware is information about his activities as a senator and VP. Information about how the sausage is made, as it were. There are tons of things that republicans would love to get their hands on to weaponize. Lets say he was trying to work on some legislation that was being blocked from the right AND the left and he called Bernie a ing hole socialist motherer in a private communication with Obama. If that comes out after he retires or dies (which is when it is set to come out), no big deal. If it comes out while he's running for president it will hurt him significantly.

What would never be in there is a sexual harassment accusation. Those records only have what Biden has provided, and why would he provide that?

It seems like you're arguing that if Biden's political career were to be explored in more detail, his image would be damaged.

[alhoon]

Question: Anyone knows where the heck is Biden?

During a pandemic that (IMO) the government of USA disastrously mismanaged, with lack of testing continuing to this day and deaths in the tens of thousands, the presumptive leader of the opposition ... is mentioned mostly about the sex scandal with Tara Reade.

If it takes a sex scandal to put your name in the news during a national disaster, you should check whether your message is getting across. That's what I think.


Also, anyone else thinking that we may have the sex scandal upside down?
I am starting to think that Biden is hiding, afraid of Tara Reade, because she sexually assaulted him.

If he's too old to run (which I happen to believe) or too tired after losing a son, a controversy with the other son and Ukraine, a controversy of that other son and the wife of the first one and a sex scandal, he should say so and step aside for someone younger. Which is not Sanders BTW, Sanders is older.

[the_mango55]

It seems like you're arguing that if Biden's political career were to be explored in more detail, his image would be damaged.

Yes, that's true for any politician.

Confidential emails would be a treasure trove of out of context headlines.

The delaware files are an oppo research fishing campaign and nothing else. They have nothing to do with Tara Reade's case. Even she said the information would be in the national archives, not at the University of Delaware.

[Cope]

Question: Anyone knows where the heck is Biden?

Staying as far out of sight as possible.

During a pandemic that (IMO) the government of USA disastrously mismanaged, with lack of testing continuing to this day and deaths in the tens of thousands

There has been no "disastrous mismanagement" of C-19 either by the federal or any state governments. You've been corrected on this hysterical nonsense before.

If he's too old to run (which I happen to believe) or too tired after losing a son, a controversy with the other son and Ukraine, a controversy of that other son and the wife of the first one and a sex scandal, he should say so and step aside for someone younger. Which is not Sanders BTW, Sanders is older.

Biden is the choice of the Dem voters. He should not be forced to step aside so that the DNC can foist another candidate on the nation (especially after the party establishment shilled for Biden in the first place). If the Democratic leaders want to run the nomination process in an archaic, autocratic fashion, they is free to do so. But they should be upfront about it. We've had enough of the corporate elites trying to rig elections as it is; we don't need them throwing out elected candidates too.

[alhoon]

There has been no "disastrous mismanagement" of C-19 either by the federal or any state governments. You've been corrected on this hysterical nonsense before.

Nooope, I have been kindly pointed out to a few facts that I overlooked. These few facts have not changed the overall image.
There is still not enough testing in USA, and we're in May. Federal government and state governments are responsible for that (from Trump delaying to force manufacturers to speed up production, FDA putting bureaucratic delays on test kits, Trump's unwarranted optimism, states refusing to close down, states refusing to put heavy fines in quarantine breakers, Cuomo the Cuommy needlessly antagonizing Trump for publicity etc).

If the Democratic leaders want to run the nomination process in an archaic, autocratic fashion

I am not saying the DNC should force him to step down. I said he should step down by himself since he obviously can't do this gig. Too old, too tired.
Would you prefer one of the two major parties to keep a person on the ticket if they are in a comma, just because they had wracked up the needed votes from their party before a horrendous car accident? I would not.
But this is not about this. This is about Biden himself realizing he can't do this and step down.

The delaware files are an oppo research fishing campaign and nothing else. They have nothing to do with Tara Reade's case. Even she said the information would be in the national archives, not at the University of Delaware.

Worse.
It would allow them to try for a Comey-Hillary-2016 upset again.
Hillary was 5-6 points ahead. Commey, the guy that is mainly responsible for Trump's presidency (and soon sacked by Trump) opened her files and the headlines exploded of "FBI investigates Hillary's emails!!!!" and Hillary's lead fell to 2 points. Giving Trump enough slim majorities in several states.
Comey made Trump the PotUS because of personal ambition and looking for the spotlight and publicity. Trump made Comey unemployed because Comey got the spotlight.

10 days before the elections the Senate could say "We open the Biden Files, and it looks bad for Biden!!!"
Then call him for questioning 5-6 days before the elections, with spooky allegations.
Then 2-3 days after the election they would say "You know what? False alarm. Following those leads didn't lead us where we thought originally. Sorry."

It could backfire and lead to the democrats closing ranks around Biden and going out to vote.
It could also work and lead to the democrats saying "you know what? They're both crap. I will watch TV instead" and not go out to vote.
And it is an option the Republicans have on their hands, a risk they may decide to take ... or not. But it is in their ammo cart.

[Cope]

Nooope, I have been kindly pointed out to a few facts that I overlooked. These few facts have not changed the overall image.
There is still not enough testing in USA, and we're in May. Federal government and state governments are responsible for that (from Trump delaying to force manufacturers to speed up production, FDA putting bureaucratic delays on test kits, Trump's unwarranted optimism, states refusing to close down, states refusing to put heavy fines in quarantine breakers, Cuomo the Cuommy needlessly antagonizing Trump for publicity etc).

No one has said that the crisis has been handled with perfection. Pointing out areas of sub-optimal performance does not justify your assertion that there has been a "disastrous mismanagement" of C-19.

I am not saying the DNC should force him to step down. I said he should step down by himself since he obviously can't do this gig. Too old, too tired.
Would you prefer one of the two major parties to keep a person on the ticket if they are in a comma, just because they had wracked up the needed votes from their party before a horrendous car accident? I would not.
But this is not about this. This is about Biden himself realizing he can't do this and step down.

Nice false equivalence. There is a patent difference between being "too old" and "too tired" and being wholly incapacitated (ie. in a coma). If Biden does step down, the only reasonable replacement is Sanders, unless you want to re-rerun the primaries.

[Sar1n]

While both main parties are trying to present as bad candidates as possible, does anyone have any info on who else will be running? I'd wager that a third party candidate who manages to establish his/her presence via non-mainstream media would actually have a chance this time.