Re: USA elections 2020
Originally Posted by
Cope
I specifically said that the US's difficulties were comparable to many other western democratic nations.
And that's false, since USA's growth of cases per capita was insanely higher than any other Western Democratic nation.
Originally Posted by
Cope
As has been pointed out to you, the Covid death rate is higher in countries like the UK, France and Spain than it is in the US.
The Death Rate? You mean how many hospitalized patients die, or how many people per capita die? The death rate (people that contact the virus and die) is indeed lower in the USA, significantly so. The growth of deaths per capita though, is also higher although now that the USA implemented finally the quarantines that other nations used by mid-March, you see a significant drop in the spread of the virus.
In the end, Trump let the virus run amok for 2-3 weeks more than other states. Those 2-3 weeks will cost the USA tens of thousands of cases and thousands of dead.
Originally Posted by
Cope
The reasons why certain countries in Africa and Asia (which are far poorer and less organized than western nations) have suffered less has very little to do with the responses from health authorities or politicians; it's because the conditions in those places (climate, avg. age, genetic resistance, volume of travel/migration, pop density etc.) are more favourable to managing the situation.
Originally Posted by
Aexodus
Cope what are you basing your claim about climate, population density and genetics on?
I agree with Cope on that. I would say... common sense+
Do you really think Nigeria acted in a better and more organized fashion than USA? I don't.
I also don't think they can actually count the deaths and cases properly as they don't have enough health professionals. There are probably people dying that nobody counts yet.
Now, the "+" part: We've been told that higher ambient temperatures help to limit the life of the virus on surfaces etc. The immunity system of these people that have not been comfortably fighting infections with antibiotics since infancy is also better trained and more tested. Population density is of course a huge factor. If your town has very limited contact with other regions, you have limited chance to get infected.
Originally Posted by
Heathen Hammer
First ladies are little more then glorified housewives. I mean there are people that would actually vote for anything that breathes and is a Democrat/Republican. But general election is a battle for moderates and undecideds, and while the current presidential candidate is, well, Biden, they need someone for VP who would actually appeal to someone other then hardcore Democrat supporters.
Yeah, Michelle Obama is x10 more popular than either Trump or Biden. If she was interested in politics and she had rolled out her campaign, she would already be at 3000 delegates. She would have cleaned out Warren's and Biden's base, I doubt they would have even started a campaign, she would have Amy's supporters from the get-go, and she would make a good bite in the base of Sanders.
All in all, she would be a much stronger candidate for the primaries than anyone on the field.
As for the General, as I said, she's much more popular than either Trump or Biden.
Originally Posted by
sumskilz
In general, the disease spread into poorer countries at a much slower rate, one reason is obviously related to rates of international travel. There may very well be others already mentioned.
You don't know from when the US had its first case. Genetically, the evidence points to earlier than Italy, yet it was undetected. The US has seven different genetically distinct strains of COVID-19. Italy has only one, meaning Italy's outbreak could have spread from as little as one source, whereas the disease entered into the US from at least seven sources. There is no way to make an apples to apples comparison, but it is clear that Italy has had more than four times as many deaths per capita than the US, this is true for several other European countries. Most countries would have been better off closing their borders earlier. Most would have done better if they were better prepared to implement high volume testing.
I don't know what role if any Trump played in the faulty test issue. I am fairly certain at least that designing PCR tests is not within his area of expertise.
You make some good points. Indeed, travel had a lot to do with the spread of the Virus. Exactly as you said, USA got the virus from at least 7 different cases, and I would bet it was more. Part of that is obviously ... tied to size.
But part of the reason is that Trump didn't ban travel to Europe early on. I fully concede though that the "Size matters" has to do with ... economic activity and travel. Places like San Marino I mentioned earlier are tourist spots. Travel. Size of a country (geographically, in economic terms and in population) does affect the number of infected people that will come and start those outbreaks that I refer to.
Still, this could have been better if Trump had banned travel from Europe earlier and if Trump had used the powers of his office to roll out tests faster and more effectively. And last but not least: If Trump has used his all-powerful influence to get his loyalist governors act on the virus. Had Trump said from the beginning "This is serious, we will defeat the Kung Flu, a conspiracy by the Chinese and obviously the buttholes of Iran (!?!) and Hillary Clinton." the governors proclaiming they are ready to die for the economy would be implementing Quarantines and arm-twisting companies to implement the costly cutdowns and safety measures.
Designing PCR tests is not in Trump's expertise, so he shouldn't have proclaimed it is, nor that everything is ready and the tests are available for everyone when they weren't and should have broken the knees of the chair-centaurs of FDA that delayed the testing with stupid rules and prohibitions.
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