USA elections 2020 - 2021

[irontaino]

So Donnie wants to delay the election, citing (without evidence) the concern that mail in voting leads to fraud. Seems like he's not too confident in his chances of winning.

[Prodromos]

Steven Calabresi, co-founder of the Federalist Society, who voted for Trump and opposed both the Mueller probe and Ukraine impeachment, says Trump's tweet about delaying the election is grounds for impeachment

Calabresi joins a chorus of both Democratic and Republican voices denouncing Trump's comments, with Sen. Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) saying, "We'll cope with whatever the situation is and have the election on November 3 as already scheduled."

nytimes.com/2020/07/30/opinion/trump-delay-election-coronavirus.html

I have voted Republican in every presidential election since 1980, including voting for Donald Trump in 2016. I wrote op-eds and a law review article protesting what I believe was an unconstitutional investigation by Robert Mueller. I also wrote an op-ed opposing President Trump’s impeachment.

But I am frankly appalled by the president’s recent tweet seeking to postpone the November election. Until recently, I had taken as political hyperbole the Democrats’ assertion that President Trump is a fascist. But this latest tweet is fascistic and is itself grounds for the president’s immediate impeachment again by the House of Representatives and his removal from office by the Senate.

Here is what President Trump tweeted:

With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 30, 2020

The nation has faced grave challenges before, just as it does today with the spread of the coronavirus. But it has never canceled or delayed a presidential election. Not in 1864, when President Abraham Lincoln was expected to lose and the South looked as if it might defeat the North. Not in 1932 in the depths of the Great Depression. Not in 1944 during World War II.

So we certainly should not even consider canceling this fall’s election because of the president’s concern about mail-in voting, which is likely to increase because of fears about Covid-19. It is up to each of the 50 states whether to allow universal mail-in voting and Article II of the Constitution explicitly gives the states total power over the selection of presidential electors.

Election Day was fixed by a federal law passed in 1845, and the Constitution itself in the 20th Amendment specifies that the newly elected Congress meet at noon on Jan. 3, 2021, and that the terms of the president and vice president end at noon on Jan. 20, 2021. If no newly elected president is available, the speaker of the House of Representatives becomes acting president.

President Trump needs to be told by every Republican in Congress that he cannot postpone the federal election. Doing so would be illegal, unconstitutional and without precedent in American history. Anyone who says otherwise should never be elected to Congress again.

[Coughdrop addict]

My guess, Trump is trying to lay the groundwork to contest the election when he loses. He will not concede and will not recognize Biden as the President. There will be no smooth transition of government. He will litigate everything and claim it was all a deep state conspiracy. He will do this because he wants to incite his cult to violence and terrorism, and use them as a threat against the rest of the country. Trump is not so stupid to fail to see he is in big legal trouble after Jan 20, 2021. He is going to try to blackmail the country to back off going after him.

[irontaino]

With both Republicans and Democrats almost uniformly speaking out against this suggestion, we're probably gonna see a tweet storm of Trump lashing out against...well, basically everyone.

[Coughdrop addict]

50/50 whether he can stick with the strategy come Nov 3, or just won't be able to help himself from lashing out at his own base and calling them losers for failing him.

[Cyclops]

He's pre-****ing the bed for the next president, how wonderful. Can we have Pence for the last few months pls? Asking for an ally.

[wanderwegger]

Above are the first 3 posts in a row where the speakers can’t be easily identified as alt right. Going to be real disappointing if it turns out some of you believe in a better juster world. Trump and the worst amongst us are who I find pleasure in trolling. However watching the Republican leadership deadpan troll Trump today was a special sort of bliss. RBG dies they will still jump at the chance to install another justice. I wonder which white male from a Northern European/anglo background trump will pick. Hard to go crazier than Justice K but the man is a dynamo at beating the odds for wtf.

[Aexodus]

The London Mayoral election was postponed because of the pandemic. I’ve no doubt we in the UK, would have postponed the general election had it been due in 2020. However, we don’t have our election written into a constitution like America does.

[antaeus]

With both Republicans and Democrats almost uniformly speaking out against this suggestion, we're probably gonna see a tweet storm of Trump lashing out against...well, basically everyone.

Pivot back to border wall in 3... 2...1...

[alhoon]

I said he’s not in his basement. I even proved it. Multiple times. What you want?

And I told you what I mean he's in his basement (which means he's giving interviews from there and acting all low key).

I also told you that I don't really want anything.

Although, to be fair, Biden's promise to not tweet excessively sounds a good thing.

[wanderwegger]

The London Mayoral election was postponed because of the pandemic. I’ve no doubt we in the UK, would have postponed the general election had it been due in 2020. However, we don’t have our election written into a constitution like America does.

Plus Parliamentarian? vs Presidential. Trump shows the superiority of the former. Even with America’s long run and unique power sharing set up Presidential systems are hard baked to fail to corruption at the top.

[B. W.]

You're the one whose argument started and ended with name-calling on a post about data showing the voting gender gap. I don't care how sincere you are about it, it's still just name-calling.

You asked if I think that the Democrats have changed their tune that white women were the oppressed and are now oppressors. My answer is that you haven't provided any evidence that it's true, so why should I believe it? All you did is say that it's true, you haven't really shown that it's true. I guess I'm not as quick on the uptake as you, because what you're saying isn't obvious to me.

Irrational. Stating facts is not name calling. The next thing you're going to tell me is that the Democrats had nothing to do with the MeToo movement. That venture was proving to be too costly for the Democrats and their media pundits so the media dropped it.

Many women, if not most, suffer emotional effects from menopause. It is a fact. If someone is already suffering from a belief in two contradictory and opposed suppositions it can have a dramatic effect on their social outlook and behavior.

[Gaidin]

The London Mayoral election was postponed because of the pandemic. I’ve no doubt we in the UK, would have postponed the general election had it been due in 2020. However, we don’t have our election written into a constitution like America does.

Well technically it's not really written into the constitution. Just that, kicker, if we don't have an election or in some way choose electors(which by 1845 every state decided popular vote was a good way to do it), then president leaves office at end of term and kicks it on down the line of succession. And if the House and Senate doesn't have an election, their term...well...ends. Period. Their states can have special elections to fill the offices or by whatever legal means they use to fill the office until a special election is had. But all current candidates would just not be Senators or Representatives anymore.

The elections and how it's run is state business. But the date it's run on for Federal office is federally mandated by Congressional law. Most state offices do it on the same day because they literally went "Good frakking god we don't want to spend money on more than one of these things. It's expensive!"

[Aexodus]

Aparently it was decided by Congress in 1845 that the election was in November, kinda disappointing I was misinformed on this by the BBC. Even so obviously only congress, I would imagine, can change the date. Honestly it might not be a bad idea.

New York presidential primaries were done in June through mail ins, and the results iirc are still unknown and it’s August tomorrow.

EDIT: The New York primary was literally just counted on Wednesday, meaning it took over five weeks to count. Yet again, the BBC failed me in their Thursday article. Seriously their researchers are atrocious and I still have to pay them.

[Timoleon of Korinthos]

So Donnie wants to delay the election, citing (without evidence) the concern that mail in voting leads to fraud. Seems like he's not too confident in his chances of winning.

Because delaying the elections would buy him time to organize a coup?

[wanderwegger]

The Constitution says elections time and place are to be decided by congress and be the same day everywhere in the US. OG text. Plus the US having the election during the Civil War had brutalized the country hard baked into us that we do not delay elections for any reason. Last time it was even considered was FDR and barely so. The US executive wields incredible power and is hard to depose. Our response to FDR was limit the executive max term. Don’t knock the BBC. US news treats Britain like a mediocre reality TV or a toddler little brother on the best days. Brexit is the only thing that’s held interest for awhile and probably a lot of that interest is because it is sold as mirroring our Trump/Tea Party Heirs (Leave) and Dems (Remain) news/political dynamic.

Aparently it was decided by Congress in 1845 that the election was in November, kinda disappointing I was misinformed on this by the BBC. Even so obviously only congress, I would imagine, can change the date. Honestly it might not be a bad idea.

New York presidential primaries were done in June through mail ins, and the results iirc are still unknown and itÂ’s August tomorrow.

EDIT: The New York primary was literally just counted on Wednesday, meaning it took over five weeks to count. Yet again, the BBC failed me in their Thursday article. Seriously their researchers are atrocious and I still have to pay them.

[Common Soldier]

Movie the election day is a non starter. The US Constitution says the non returning has to leave office by Jan 20th of the year. Delaying the.election eould just give less time to votes, and a.couple of months is unlikely to make difference innregard to COVID

[wanderwegger]

Movie the election day is a non starter. The US Constitution says the non returning has to leave office by Jan 20th of the year. Delaying the.election eould just give less time to votes, and a.couple of months is unlikely to make difference innregard to COVID

And Boom. We find ourselves agreeing completely.

[pacifism]

The President cannot move Election Day, but he can try to delegitimize the results, which strikes me as so counterproductive.

We all seem to agree. What a day, huh? Who'd've thunk Trump of all people could bring us all together in agreement?

Irrational. Stating facts is not name calling. The next thing you're going to tell me is that the Democrats had nothing to do with the MeToo movement. That venture was proving to be too costly for the Democrats and their media pundits so the media dropped it.

Many women, if not most, suffer emotional effects from menopause. It is a fact. If someone is already suffering from a belief in two contradictory and opposed suppositions it can have a dramatic effect on their social outlook and behavior.

Again, I don't care anymore how much you mean it, I want you to show me that what you're saying is true. Show me when the Democrats changed its stance on white women being oppressed to being oppressors. Not a Democrat, the Democrats.

I think your whole motte-and-bailey argument needs some work. Usually, you try to make your supporting evidence actually link with your controversial claim. So far, it really doesn't:
- Disagreeing with you does not equal thoughtlessness, because not believing everything someone says at face value can be a sign of critical thinking.
- Experiencing emotional changes is a far cry from being a "nut job". Everyone -- including men -- have emotional changes, doesn't make them insane. Oh, and younger women are more Democratic than older women anyways.
- Not having proof to reach a conviction does not mean the accuser or prosecution lied. Cases of defamation does not mean the whole entire #MeToo movement is nothing but false allegations. That's a serious accusation to make, especially without much in the way of evidence (see the irony?).

You seem to think I'm some kind of socialist or something really left-wing, but I'm really not. I'm not even a Democrat. I just think your reasoning for why more women vote Democrat sucks.

[wanderwegger]

It’s fair to say the majority think his reasons suck. I would have to argue naming them reasons but only because gibberish works better.