USA elections 2020 - 2021

[Gaidin]

AOC's speech is crystal clear,

You're not falling for NBC's bs are you? Anybody with more than 300 delegates gets nominated and seconded. You have to be nominated and seconded to receive your delegates votes "on the floor". And that's a guarantee by rules after 300. AOC seconded Sanders. NBC tried to misrepresent this. And tried to half-assedly walk it back. She tore them a new . As pretty much anybody would.

[alhoon]

https://www.latimes.com/politics/sto...-probably-wont

Here we are again: "The coronavirus crisis and its accompanying economic slump have driven the president’s approval rating down to 42%"
While I agree it's dangerous ground for an incumbent seeking re-election, the coronavirus and its accompanying economic crisis have done jack #### on Trump's approval rating that was 42% before the Pandemic.
The reason Trump is, as always, at 42% is not the Covid crisis but that he's a polarizing butthole that has managed to keep his 40% through thin and thick (mostly thin) because the other side is full of idiots as well.

[PointOfViewGun]

https://www.latimes.com/politics/sto...-probably-wont

Here we are again: "The coronavirus crisis and its accompanying economic slump have driven the president’s approval rating down to 42%"
While I agree it's dangerous ground for an incumbent seeking re-election, the coronavirus and its accompanying economic crisis have done jack #### on Trump's approval rating that was 42% before the Pandemic.
The reason Trump is, as always, at 42% is not the Covid crisis but that he's a polarizing butthole that has managed to keep his 40% through thin and thick (mostly thin) because the other side is full of idiots as well.

You're doing a major case of selective reading. The COVID19 crisis saw Trump rise to 45.8% naturally as it happens in any time of crisis for any administration. Few months later he crushed to 40.2%. He lost 5.6% during this crisis. That's of course dependent on a total of all polls. If I look at polling sources that I would trust more than others I see a more consistent decline.

[Morifea]

Btw, the Conways are out of the Circus. A pity, her work was grotescque, his involment in the Lincoln project was interesting.

[alhoon]

You're doing a major case of selective reading. The COVID19 crisis saw Trump rise to 45.8% naturally as it happens in any time of crisis for any administration. Few months later he crushed to 40.2%. He lost 5.6% during this crisis. That's of course dependent on a total of all polls. If I look at polling sources that I would trust more than others I see a more consistent decline.

Yes, we talked about that back then. BUT as you said, his approval raised to 45.5% during the coronavirus and returned to normal 40-something % as the crisis prolonged and is now raising to 41.5% - 42%.

[Sir Adrian]

as it happens in any time of crisis for any administration. .

Absolutely not. Approval does not automatically rise during a crisis. For example GW's approval collapsed during crisis situations. Obama's approval also fell during the Ferguson protests.

[PointOfViewGun]

Yes, we talked about that back then. BUT as you said, his approval raised to 45.5% during the coronavirus and returned to normal 40-something % as the crisis prolonged and is now raising to 41.5% - 42%.

I predicted the rise as well. You were claiming that it would not go down. The normal was around 42%. It's getting to normal now. Though, as I said if you look at a lot of the trust worthy polls the current situation is sitting at 40%.

Absolutely not. Approval does not automatically rise during a crisis. For example GW's approval collapsed during crisis situations. Obama's approval also fell during the Ferguson protests.

George W. Bush's approval rating skyrocketed after 9/11:



For many presidents facing national crisis approval ratings jumped in the range of +10% while Trump only managed to get about 5% increase. Ferguson wasn't exactly a national crisis.

[Prodromos]

"Did Democrats do enough to convince people of faith to trust them? Justin Giboney of The And Campaign says Dems got the symbolism right—but what about the substance?"

[Sir Adrian]

If you watched the DNC, the answer is an obvious no. As the Gender Transcendent Mermaid Queen-King said, God should be removed from everything in america.

I predicted the rise as well. You were claiming that it would not go down. The normal was around 42%. It's getting to normal now. Though, as I said if you look at a lot of the trust worthy polls the current situation is sitting at 40%.




George W. Bush's approval rating skyrocketed after 9/11:



For many presidents facing national crisis approval ratings jumped in the range of +10% while Trump only managed to get about 5% increase. Ferguson wasn't exactly a national crisis.

Yes and if you look at your chart you will see his approval collapsing during Katrina, during the gulf war, during the financial crash.

[Heathen Hammer]

Aside from the hippie gobbledygook of "love one another", biblical "values" also include such great abrahamic wisdoms as incest, pedophilia, murder, human sacrifice, mismanagement of resources and genocide - come to think of it, Democrats with their "spirit cooking" and Epstein islands are the "biblical" party but not in a way they like to think they are.

[PointOfViewGun]

Yes and if you look at your chart you will see his approval collapsing during Katrina, during the gulf war, during the financial crash.

Gulf war did not happen under George W. Bush. It happened under his father and it affected his approval positively. Katrina was not a national crisis and the financial crash doesn't constitute as the kind of crisis we're talking about. You need to get your facts right.

[Sir Adrian]

The Second Gulf War most certainly happened under George w.

A natural disaster destroying an entire state and creating hundreds of thousands of homeless people that had to be taken in by other states and affected the federal and statal budget of every state aside for Hawaii and Alaska is not a national disaster. Got it.

[Lord Thesaurian]

Aside from the hippie gobbledygook of "love one another", biblical "values" also include such great abrahamic wisdoms as incest, pedophilia, murder, human sacrifice, mismanagement of resources and genocide - come to think of it, Democrats with their "spirit cooking" and Epstein islands are the "biblical" party but not in a way they like to think they are.

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Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the Lord your God.

5 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the Lord.

6 None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the Lord.

And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.

Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:

25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.

26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Thou shalt not kill.

And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.
20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

What does the Bible’s prohibition and damnation of murder, human sacrifice, and sexual immorality, including pedophilia and incest, and our charge to be good stewards of the earth, and its resources, have to do with American political parties?

[irontaino]

Pretty sure the nomenclature for the war started by Bush II is the Iraq War.

[PointOfViewGun]

The Second Gulf War most certainly happened under George w.

A natural disaster destroying an entire state and creating hundreds of thousands of homeless people that had to be taken in by other states and affected the federal and statal budget of every state aside for Hawaii and Alaska is not a national disaster. Got it.

Right... Iraqi invasion... You see that second spike that pushes his approval to 71 with a gain of 14%? That's when the Iraqi invasion happened. Would you like to try it again?



Yup, Katrina hurricane, despite your attempts to stretch it out, was not a national disaster. It was a natural disaster affecting a number of states while vast majority of the country was watching it safe and sound from their homes. I'm glad you got it.

[Heathen Hammer]

One can clearly tell by the chart that Dubya's approval was steadily sinking, despite a number of short positive spikes generated by incessant pro-war propaganda in globalist mainstream media. We live in a different time now, when public has very little trust to mainstream media (primarily as a result of independent sources of information proving to be more reliable then corporate media thanks to the Interwebs).
Katrina, fiscally alone, was a national disaster as it affected whole nation financially. Just because Chernobyl affected only two of the "republics" within USSR doesn't mean that was not considered a national disaster throughout the country.

[PointOfViewGun]

One can clearly tell by the chart that Dubya's approval was steadily sinking, despite a number of short positive spikes generated by incessant pro-war propaganda in globalist mainstream media. We live in a different time now, when public has very little trust to mainstream media (primarily as a result of independent sources of information proving to be more reliable then corporate media thanks to the Interwebs).
Katrina, fiscally alone, was a national disaster as it affected whole nation financially. Just because Chernobyl affected only two of the "republics" within USSR doesn't mean that was not considered a national disaster throughout the country.

I love how you talk about different times then try to use Chernobyl as an example...

[Gaidin]

Katrina, fiscally alone, was a national disaster as it affected whole nation financially. Just because Chernobyl affected only two of the "republics" within USSR doesn't mean that was not considered a national disaster throughout the country.

Let New Orleans drown? Just cuz. Right?

Declare bankruptcy? What Trump likes to do after all...

Let me know.

[alhoon]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/new-yahoo...161948380.html

Told you so.

[Prodromos]

Biden's already averaging 50% in the polls, which is stratospherically high. His numbers have nowhere to go but down, and since they didn't go down, you could view the convention as a success for him in that regard.

Trump needs a convention bounce way more than Biden does. Let's see if he gets one.