View Poll Results: Who would you vote for in the 2020 US Presidential elections?

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  • Donald Trump - Mike Pence (Republicans)

    34 43.59%
  • Joe Biden - Kamala Harris (Democrats)

    37 47.44%
  • Jo Jorgensen - Spike Cohen (Libertarians)

    4 5.13%
  • Howie Hawkins - Angela Walker (Greens)

    0 0%
  • Other (please, specify)

    3 3.85%

Thread: USA elections 2020 - 2021

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. W. View Post
    Brann is an activist judge appointed by Obama. Just say'n. His ruling is not surprising.\
    Sounds like you need to amend the Constitution so that rulings judges make have statutory limitations based on the party of the president that appointed them. Until that amendment gets passed, well, too bad so sad.

    Quote Originally Posted by B. W. View Post
    Anyway, if you had watched the press briefing that wasn't covered by the Biden Media this just means it goes to a higher court.
    Edit: Your appeals court has one day before certification. Spend that day well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B. W. View Post
    Hilarious! We all know how Obama just loved appointing Constitutionalist judges. Too funny.

    Anyway, if you had watched the press briefing that wasn't covered by the Biden Media this just means it goes to a higher court.
    I didn't know you could not only slam on the breaks but then backpedal that suddenly without getting whiplash

    "Biden Media" I guess...Those goddern Marxist leftwing socialist liberal communist BLM Biden-loving antifa newspeople at...Fox News...

    You didn't answer my question by the way. Why are you so eager to see an entire state lose their votes based on no evidence? Are you actually reading the judge's remarks? Are you actually paying attention to why the judges, left and right wing, are not entertaining the shenanigans of the crazies?

    Or do you believe that heavily that Hugo Chavez has orchestrated a coup on our electoral process
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkKnight View Post
    Or do you believe that heavily that Hugo Chavez has orchestrated a coup on our electoral process
    Indisputably a great planner if he got it working 7 years after his death. Or maybe it's because he was also the 45th president?
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    Or do you believe that heavily that Hugo Chavez has orchestrated a coup on our electoral process

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkKnight View Post

    You didn't answer my question by the way. Why are you so eager to see an entire state lose their votes based on no evidence? Are you actually reading the judge's remarks? Are you actually paying attention to why the judges, left and right wing, are not entertaining the shenanigans of the crazies?
    I didn't answer your question because it is as ridiculous as the judges opinion it was based upon.

    Hundreds of sworn affidavits are evidence in any court of law. In fact, in the case of Pennsylvania there seems to be every sort of vote fraud known to man going on. As Biden claimed, his campaign has the most extensive voter fraud organization in the history of mankind.

    There are sworn affidavits from computer engineers who have doctorates in that science that say the results are statistically impossible. I've seen some of these analysis; they are online if you care to go look for them. The same voting ratios in prime numbers given across multiple precincts at the same time and then transferred to other precincts for the process to be repeated is statistically impossible. But if your goal is to overcome a 700,000 vote deficiency, then you gotta do what you gotta do.

    There are sworn affidavits that boxes of ballots arrived by the truckload in the middle of the night without any provenance and that they were opened and counted without Republican observers there. These were made by Democrats who witnessed it.

    Then there are the videos of Republican observers who weren't allowed to witness the ballot counting; and there is plenty more.

    There are also the illegal election guidelines issued by the state's Secretary of State. Only the legislature can legally issue guidelines. This is enough in and of itself to move the vote to the state legislature.

    The judge claims he doesn't want to see a whole state's vote invalidated because it would disenfranchise the state's voters. This isn't possible because the Constitution make the allowance that the state legislature would make the vote; and those people WERE ELECTED legally; therefore, if the Constitution is followed there is no possibility for the state's votes to be disenfranchised. This can only happen if fraudulent votes are allowed to cancel out and supersede legal votes.

    The judge seems to be more concerned with illegal votes being counted rather than legal votes being disenfranchised.

    Going further, the FEC Chairman has seen the evidence and said it clearly represents voter fraud.

    So much for no evidence. The case is moving to a higher court.
    Last edited by B. W.; November 22, 2020 at 01:52 PM.

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    So, you think that even if and when they establish that voters right to vote has been denied(which they haven't) the solution is to then annul 7 million votes and not aright their right to vote?

    Sorry BW that's not how this works. Rudy's stretching some weird crap.
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  7. #2667

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    Stretching? Stretching would be extending some sort of rationale to an ignoble end. As the judges routinely note, the requests made by Trump's lawyers are devoid of any logical consistency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkKnight View Post

    What is the score now? 1 win and 34 losses?
    They were tired of winning, DK, Trump has warned them that they will be tired of winning by the 4th year and that's the results.
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    I have to admit, every morning I wake up with a smile knowing that I'm going to get to see Trump lose all over again. And knowing I'll have more of the same tomorrow.
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    This has to be the single best episode of The West Wing ever. I can't believe Netflix hasn't picked it up yet...
    Last edited by TheLeft; November 23, 2020 at 03:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLeft View Post
    This has to be the single best episode of The West Wing ever. I can't believe Netflix hasn't picked it up yet...

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    West Wing got a few things wrong. It created characters like Senator Vinnick when no such Republican would ever exist. A moral compass is the first thing you must discard when joining the national level politics in the GOP.

  12. #2672

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    Quote Originally Posted by Love Mountain View Post
    West Wing got a few things wrong. It created characters like Senator Vinnick when no such Republican would ever exist. A moral compass is the first thing you must discard when joining the national level politics in the GOP.
    Absolutely. Even before Trump Republicans embraced their identity as the party of imbeciles, hypocrites, and racists because it offers a huge advantage. Now no matter what they do, they will keep the same level of support. Nobody expects them to be truthful, competent, or to have any decency. They have chosen to be the worst of the worst, and anything above that gets them a standing ovation.

    On the other hand Democrats have been defined as the party that has to be responsible, able, and honest, and that's easy to chip away at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. W. View Post
    There are sworn affidavits from computer engineers who have doctorates in that science that say the results are statistically impossible.
    "The result is statistically improbable, hence it's fraudulent" Well, it was improbable to keep a straight face when reading that paragraph. It was certainly more sophisticated then "I won, Biden cheated" but it still shares the same premise of unsupported assertions as proof of wrong doing. While this seems to be solid proof to Trump supporters it's reassuring that in the real world of courts you actually have to substantiate your claims, something that these claims comprehensively failed to do.

    Sticking with statistic (statistical?) science: the above affidavits are probably what the judge referred to as 'speculative accusations'. And 'no' - I don't have any proof of that assertion.
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  14. #2674

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    Can anyone explain why Trump cultists cling on in the hope that his lies may bear fruit? He 's a coward. He dodged the Vietnam War and now he's surrendered uncondiitionally to the Coronavirus , leaving over a quarter of a million dead and rising.
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    Part of me wonders if, in fact, Trump really does think he has a shot of overturning the election and no one close to him has the integrity or courage to tell him it's over. One of Trump's greatest weaknesses is that he's surrounded himself with people who aren't willing to tell him things he doesn't want to hear, a problem many authoritarian leaders suffer from.

    By surrounding himself with those too cowed to tell him the truth, an authoritarian can inadvertently create a scenario where he is flattered and appeased, rather than engaged in honest communication. In that case he often loses his sense of reality and resides in a fantasy world. As an infamous example, during both the Gulf and Iraq wars Saddam Hussein's advisors feared giving him negative information and bad news that he wouldn't want to hear, because in some cases he literally did shoot the messenger. As a result he didn't have an accurate grasp of what was actually going on and made major tactical mistakes.

    I wonder if Trump really doesn't understand that these lawsuits and other antics aren't working and could never work. Are those around him keeping him in the dark to use him to help their own careers or make money?

    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    Can anyone explain why Trump cultists cling on in the hope that his lies may bear fruit? He 's a coward. He dodged the Vietnam War and now he's surrendered uncondiitionally to the Coronavirus , leaving over a quarter of a million dead and rising.
    Because the reality is too painful for them. That reality being they were tricked by a third-rate conman who everyone but them saw through immediately. Not only would admitting that be a huge ego hit, many of them have literally based their lives around Trump. To them he is a heroic, even God-like figure. To admit that they have spent the last five years worshiping a manbaby who's ego is so fragile he has to be delicately coddled or he'll throw a tantrum like a spoiled toddler would be absolutely humiliating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    Can anyone explain why Trump cultists cling on in the hope that his lies may bear fruit? He 's a coward. He dodged the Vietnam War and now he's surrendered uncondiitionally to the Coronavirus , leaving over a quarter of a million dead and rising.
    Trump is a pathalogical liar and an obvious narcissist. It is boggling to me how the base is still so brainwashed into this cultism despite the obvious lies he cracks.

    Everyday I go on to thedonald.win and the delusions are as if they are from North Korea.

    They believe that Trump is such a magnificent, genius 123123d chess human being that there is no way he can lose and that he must have a "grand plan".
    All the factors of religion fanaticism is there. It is beyond logic and all about a belief.
    I am simply hoping that the rational Republican voters are at least seeing the craziness of the Trump cult for future decisions.
    I do not mind a Republican being elected, but a figure like Trump is a threat to the whole world. They should sort out the importance of institutions and values above fanaticism and cultism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    Can anyone explain why Trump cultists cling on in the hope that his lies may bear fruit? He 's a coward. He dodged the Vietnam War and now he's surrendered uncondiitionally to the Coronavirus , leaving over a quarter of a million dead and rising.
    For the same reason the woke cultists ranted and raged and took to the streets 4 years ago, political immaturity.
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    @coughdrop: he tries to keep his cultlosers as long as possible, to drain their money. Same reason he clinges to his Office, to get as much money from it as possible.

    I hope the inventory of the white House is up to date, god knows what the manbaby and his cronies will Steal there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogukan View Post
    Everyday I go on to thedonald.win
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morifea View Post
    @coughdrop: he tries to keep his cultlosers as long as possible, to drain their money. Same reason he clinges to his Office, to get as much money from it as possible.

    I hope the inventory of the white House is up to date, god knows what the manbaby and his cronies will Steal there.
    You seem pretty passionate about this Trump character. Are you not entertained?

    While I can't really relate to caring about other country's politicians, I do sort of get it. I mean, I'm not exactly sure how to quantify it, but I think US presidents have more power over the rest of the world than they do over us. Like a US president could sanction your country, but he could hardly do jack to my state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Settra View Post
    For the same reason the woke cultists ranted and raged and took to the streets 4 years ago, political immaturity.


    A typical cultist response. We all know that the Democrats followed convention and recognised that the person with the most college votes was the winner, no matter how unfit he was for high office. There were no excuses offered ,such as conspiracies plottted by dead people.
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