USA elections 2020 - 2021

[Vanoi]

Mail voting is always subject to massive fraud. You don't just magically find 160k bulletins all for Biden or 55k votes for Trump. You're saying it's nonsense because "your" guy is winning, if the situation was reversed your opinion would be as well.

Subject to massive fraud? Care to reference at all any incidents in US election history where mail.in ballots caused massive fraud?

[Papay]

John mccain's ghost took revenge and Trump lost the elections in Arizona and lost the elections in general because of this

[Gaius Baltar]

You may be joking, but when I went to bed last night there was no possibility of a Biden win in that state because there wasn't enough votes left to turn it to him. When I woke up this morning more votes magically appeared. What is going on is ballot harvesting on a national scale.

This could get ugly.

There is already calls for a recounts in Wisconsin after a similar dump of 100% Biden voted was declared.

[Cope]

Trump will most likely lose the presidency (narrowly), but the GOP will most likely hold the Senate (again, narrowly). If those predictions come to fruition, and with the court in conservative hands, the gridlock routine in Washington will continue. This means that most of the liberals' more extreme ambitions (packing the court packing, banning the sale of "assault weapons" etc.) will likely be shelved. Moreover, given Biden's undeniable frailties, the ongoing Covid crisis and historic trends, it is probable that Republicans will take the House in 2022.

[sumskilz]

Kanye West has conceded.

[irontaino]

Mail voting is always subject to massive fraud.

Citation needed.

[Sir Adrian]

Subject to massive fraud? Care to reference at all any incidents in US election history where mail.in ballots caused massive fraud?

Care to reference any other vote in US history where mail voting was used on such a large scale? Or are trying to imply that Americans inherently honest and morally superior by default and voting experiences from Europe do not apply to the US?


If it's not obvious to you and irontanio why and how mail voting can be frauded in an organised large scale fashion, I have a couple of bridges you might be interested in buying.

[Gaidin]

Care to reference any other vote in US history where mail voting was used on such a large scale? Or are trying to imply that Americans inherently honest and morally superior by default and voting experiences from Europe do not apply to the US?

If it's not obvious to you why and how mail voting can be frauded on in an organised large scale fashion, I have a couple of bridges you might be interested in buying.

Irrelevant point.

Some states(like Florida, Maryland, Arizona), by law, start processing or preparing mail ballots up to a month before election day. Other states(like Wisconsin, Michigan, or Pennsylvania), are by law, not even allowed to prepare mail ballots for counting until after election day. Guess why these numbers suddenly get added to the vote count after election day in Michigan when you follow state law.

[Vanoi]

Care to reference any other vote in US history where mail voting was used on such a large scale? Or are trying to imply that Americans inherently honest and morally superior by default and voting experiences from Europe do not apply to the US?


If it's not obvious to you and irontanio why and how mail voting can be frauded in an organised large scale fashion, I have a couple of bridges you might be interested in buying.

So you no proof mail in voting is subject to massive fraud? If its so obvious you should have no trouble presenting evidence.

[Coughdrop addict]

Mail voting is always subject to massive fraud. You don't just magically find 160k bulletins all for Biden or 55k votes for Trump. You're saying it's nonsense because "your" guy is winning, if the situation was reversed your opinion would be as well.

Fraud="A threat to Trump's divine right to rule."

So, are military votes all fraud too? Are they not only "suckers and losers" to your side, but criminals?

[Vanoi]

How likely is it that the Senate will end up tied between Republicans and Democrats?

[Coughdrop addict]

I predict that Trump will make a show of whining and pouting and telling his deplorables to start shooting, but soon his focus will shift to staying out of jail and trying to seek asylum in Russian.

[sumskilz]

There is already calls for a recounts in Wisconsin after a similar dump of 100% Biden voted was declared.

I'm usually skeptical of anyone misrepresenting themselves as a duck on Twitter, but the same guy also claimed to have learned that the sudden rise in Michigan was a typo that has since been corrected:

The Michigan situation was a TYPO.

The massive jump in Biden votes out of nowhere is because Shiawassee county reported "153710" when it SHOULD have been "15371."

As you can see below, thankfully, the error was fixed.
Biden had 2,130,695 (at 4:04 AM)
Then 2,019,899 (5:19 AM)

That said:

There may be a problem with Antrim County’s ballots. According to unofficial results posted by the county clerk, democrats in several races got the majority of votes there.

As of 9:30 this morning, Democratic Presidential Candidate Joe Biden had more than 7,700 votes in the county, 3,000 more than President Donald Trump. Democratic candidates Gary Peters and Dana Ferguson also outperformed their Republican opponents in the county.

That has Triston Cole (R-Mancelona), who lives and represents Antrim County in the Michigan State House, confused.

“There is no way that we flipped from 62 percent Trump in 2016 to upside-down this time around,” he said.

Cole specifically cited the results at his polling place: Chestonia Township. Antrim County’s election results show Representative Jack Bergman (R-Watersmeet) only got 2 votes.

“I can guarantee that there were 6 [Bergman votes] in my immediate family alone,” he said.

Cole says GOP officials have been talking all morning about the county’s results. He says legal action may be taken, but much is still uncertain.

As of 10 a.m., the election results page on the county has since been taken down.

A representative from the Antrim County Clerk’s office said they weren’t aware of any discrepancies, but added county clerks are talking to polling and election officials to get the most accurate and up-to-date information to voters.

Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson was asked about the Antrim County returns, but didn’t comment.

“I’ll let the pundits and the people looking closely at the data and the results of different elections make those analyses,” she said.

Update: The Antrim County Clerk said in a press release that they are looking back at yesterday's results and will have a clear answer on the ballots this afternoon.

The source is a local NPR station. Several media outlets have quietly removed the results from Antrim County from their running totals.

I think that it's reasonable to expect both that there were attempts at voting fraud during this election and that there will be many false allegations.

[Cope]

How likely is it that the Senate will end up tied between Republicans and Democrats?

Possible, but Republicans currently on course for 51.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

NYT Senate election results.

[Vanoi]

Possible, but Republicans currently on course for 51.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

NYT Senate election results.

I figured as such. Looks like the Senate will remain Republican dominated.

Wisconsin just called for Biden to win.

[Cope]

I figured as such. Looks like the Senate will remain Republican dominated.

Wisconsin just called for Biden to win.

Keep your eye on the seat in N.C., it may yet flip for the Democrats. Conversely the seat in MI may flip back to the Republicans.

As far as the presidency is concerned, assuming nothing is revealed by the inevitable recount in WI, Trump still has a narrow, albeit unlikely path to re-election if he takes AZ, GA, NC and PA.

[the_mango55]

Interesting that Trump says PA continuing to count votes is fraud, but isn’t saying anything about Arizona.

[Coughdrop addict]

Wisconsin just called for Biden to win.

And Trump is demanding a recount.

Wis. had better make sure he pays for it upfront. He's notorious for not paying his debts.

[sumskilz]

Interesting that Trump says PA continuing to count votes is fraud, but isn’t saying anything about Arizona.

I don't know that he said that, but it actually doesn't sound very interesting.

[alhoon]

Unbelievable, it seems the Democrats have managed to botch what should be a sure-thing two times in a row. Why couldn't they just pick Sanders already, at least that guy advocated a change. Well I suppose after another 4 years of Trump maybe they will wake up and realize it's class issues that matter, not SJW nonsense.

I mean Trump hasn't won just yet, but it doesn't look good either way. They outspent him to a huge degree, they had the majority of the media apparatus and silicon valley/hollywood on their side, they had the most donations... seriously not good.

Trump will probably lose at this point, by a small margin. He will request recounts like in Wisconsin and use the courts but that is unlikely to help him in Wisconsin.
Contrary to my expectations, at this point, winning Pennsylvania will not be enough. He has to win one more of the toss-up states of Nevada, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin and win Pennsylvania and while he has chances to do that, they are growing slim. The courts are very unlikely to overturn 25000 votes in Wisconsin. Arizona has been declared for Biden. Michigan is still counting the pro-Biden mailed-in-votes and Biden is already ahead.

If Trump just wins Pennsylvania, as it seems, he will have 269 electors. Then, it is chaos.