USA elections 2020 - 2021

[Vanoi]

The whole world is freaking out talking about the right wing extremists storming the capitol / a failed coup, people here talking about BLM.

Its whataboutism. Its a communist tactic that continues to be used.

[Lord Thesaurian]

The comparison to BLM was first raised by people falsely claiming that law enforcement enabled or otherwise facilitated the breach by Trumpers due to special treatment not afforded to BLM protesters, not by people deflecting to last summer’s riots. Shifting the blame for the media’s “what if they were black” whataboutism onto people responding to the latter is simply not correct.

[sumskilz]

The whole world is freaking out talking about the right wing extremists storming the capitol / a failed coup

That's silly, you know those guys must own at least fifty times as many guns as they brought. If the security forces had been better prepared, I doubt anything particularly newsworthy would have happened.

[TheLeft]

The whole world is freaking out talking about the right wing extremists storming the capitol / a failed coup, people here talking about BLM.

Of course. Anything but have our conservative chums admit that Trumpism has been shown up in the light to be the embarrassing, hateful failure it is.

It won't be long until Schrodinger's Protester is invoked where the people who stormed the Capitol Building were both 'Great Patriots' and Antifa at the same time.

[chilon]

Citation needed.

There is literally a video in that Twitter post of police removing the barricade and letting in the Trump supporters.

[Sir Adrian]

Honestly I thought 2020 was wild but 2021 appears to be more promising. Are the past 100 years just going to keep repeating on loop?

They say a picture is worth 1000 words, so here's how it's going to play out

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

If I intimidate or assault an elected representative, I'm attacking everyone that voted for them. In terms of impact burning someone's shop to the ground, or even murder doesn't even begin to compare.

No you're not, you're intimidating the representative. He's not kind Louis XIV, he's some dude that was elected because some people thought he was slightly less than the other guy. Crime? Yes. Assault on "the people"? Not even close. (not that I agree with intimidating elected representatives). That being said, looting and burning is looting and burning, doesn't matter which lie it is based on.

Quote just one post that actually defended any kind of looting done during the Black Lives Matter protests.

You've seen the George Floyd thread.

[Lord Thesaurian]

There is literally a video in that Twitter post.

The video shows a few seconds of footage wherein the cameraman claims “police are squabbling with protestors.” It does not remotely evidence your claim that police “enabled domestic terrorists,” particularly when one of those “terrorists” was shot dead, and dozens more bloodied, pepper-sprayed and arrested while police requested federal reinforcements. From snopes:

Based on our frame-by-frame analysis of the footage, it was indiscernible whether police or the extremists moved the barricades. The videographer zooms in and out from the action and maintains a vertical positioning — the standard format for TikTok — and does not show who exactly “opened” the gates to the federal property.

However, after that brief moment, the footage showed U.S. Capitol police officers slowly walking away from the breached access point seemingly without any visible or forceful attempt to block the rioters from entering. There was no evidence of any use of force by police against the rioters.

We tracked down the original creator of the TikTok video, freelance journalist Marcus DiPaola. On his account, which he said he used to report on Trump and the White House, he posted the viral footage around 2:30 p.m. EST, with the caption: “Group just pushed Capitol police.”

In sum, while it was true video footage showed police at the U.S. Capitol seemingly giving up on barricades designed to block trespassers from entering the federal building, the clip did not provide enough evidence to determine who exactly moved the iron barricades, extremists or police. Additionally, the video’s producer described the scene as rioters “pushing” past police, not as officers moving physical barricades. For those reasons, we rate this claim “Unproven.”
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ca...e-opened-gates

There will undoubtedly be questions lingering about why Capitol police failed to prevent the breach. That is a far cry from your claim that they enabled it because Twitter.

[Big War Bird]

I am very interested to see if there will be a detailed list of damages done. I was outraged and gutted yesterday but with viewing more images and video there what happened is less than what I imagined.

[saxdude]

Gotta say Legio_Italica's steadfast refusal to aknowledge the most blatant of hypocracies is kind of funny.

[PointOfViewGun]

The material damage is not the problem here. That image of Trump's thugs polluting the parliament is the real damage that will stain USA for a very long time.

[Sir Adrian]

I think the material damage is secondary here. The main issue is that this is the second time in 6 months that the people have run riotous based on a pretty obvious lie.

The system is evidently rotten and needs a reset.

[Lord Thesaurian]

Gotta say Legio_Italica's steadfast refusal to aknowledge the most blatant of hypocracies is kind of funny.

Weak bait.

Capitol protestor shot dead by police:

The woman who was fatally shot Wednesday by U.S. Capitol Police when rioters stormed the U.S. Capitol has been identified as a San Diego resident.

The victim, Ashli Babbitt, 35, was in Washington D.C. protesting President Donald Trump's loss in the 2020 election, according to her brother-in-law Justin Jackson.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...diego/2489076/

National guard deployed:

Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy told reporters that all 1,100 members of the D.C. National Guard had been mobilized on Wednesday afternoon to support the local police. He said that several federal law enforcement entities would be working to determine “how a clearing operation may be conducted.”

The decision to mobilize the D.C. National Guard — by Secretary McCarthy and Christopher C. Miller, the acting defense secretary — came as a pro-Trump mob breached the Capitol earlier in the day.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/u...itol-army.html

Trump mob bloodied, peppersprayed, bound and held at gunpoint:

Capitol Police were seen providing aid to a bloodied woman lying on the floor in the Capitol building. The Associated Press said one person was shot.

During the evacuation, reporters could see several protesters spread-eagled on the floor outside the chamber being guarded by police officers with machine guns. The group was moved to another location in the complex.

Police reinforcements in riot gear undertook crowd control measures, including the use of pepper spray. Secret Service and federal police were being rushed to Capitol Hill following a request from Capitol police, according to a spokesman for Homeland Security Department.
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/...rm-u-s-capitol

You have no argument.

[Big War Bird]

What was your opinion in 2018 when pro abortion zealots stormed the capitol and entered the Senate chamber to disrupt the Kavanaugh vote?

I think the material damage is secondary here. The main issue is that this is the second time in 6 months that the people have run riotous based on a pretty obvious lie.

The system is evidently rotten and needs a reset.

Agreed

[Cope]

The whole world is freaking out talking about the right wing extremists storming the capitol / a failed coup, people here talking about BLM.

The "whole world freaking out" over the Capitol Hill riot rather proves the point that Trump demonstrators are not, after all, in possession of special privileges.

The comparison to the BLM protests has been raised almost exclusively by those claiming, without substantive evidence, that "anti-racist" activists are treated more harshly by law enforcement than right-wing protesters.

[chilon]

The video shows a few seconds of footage wherein the cameraman claims “police are squabbling with protestors.” It does not remotely evidence your claim that police “enabled domestic terrorists,” particularly when one of those “terrorists” was shot dead, and dozens more bloodied, pepper-sprayed and arrested while police requested federal reinforcements. From snopes:

There will undoubtedly be questions lingering about why Capitol police failed to prevent the breach. That is a far cry from your claim that they enabled it because Twitter.

No squabbling can be seen in the video clip. What can be seen is police removing a barricade and walking away while the Trump rioters pour across the threshold. What is seen in the clip is literally enabling the protesters, unless, again you are operating under your own private definition of what enabling means.

You can see other videos of police taking seflies with the domestic terrorists:
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status...rotestors-riot

Those videos, while only seconds literally show police enabling the violators.

And just to clarify for your pedantry, I am not saying ALL police enabled the Trump mob, but SOME did and the ones that did should be investigated and removed from duty.

[Lord Thesaurian]

No squabbling can be seen in the video clip. What can be seen is police removing a barricade and walking away while the Trump rioters pour across the threshold. What is seen in the clip is literally enabling the protesters, unless, again you are operating under your own private definition of what enabling means.

You can see other videos of police taking seflies with the domestic terrorists:
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status...rotestors-riot

Those videos, while only seconds literally show police enabling the violators.

And just to clarify for your pedantry, I am not saying ALL police enabled the Trump mob, but SOME did and the ones that did should be investigated and removed from duty.

It’s hardly pedantic to point out you’re promoting a false narrative based on a couple video clips from social media that do not substantiate your claim that the police enabled domestic terrorists. It was literally called out on a fact check website and a mountain of contrary evidence indicates the police did not, in fact, enable the mob nor afford it special treatment relative to BLM protestors. If any officers are investigated found negligent or derelict and fired, that would be categorically different from your claims about enabling terrorists - an actual crime.

[Vanoi]

What was your opinion in 2018 when pro abortion zealots stormed the capitol and entered the Senate chamber to disrupt the Kavanaugh vote?



Agreed

Is whataboutism the best you got? For a bunch of conservatives who have ranted against Marxism and Socialism you guys sure do like Soviet propaganda techniques.

[chilon]

It’s hardly pedantic to point out you’re promoting a false narrative based on a couple video clips from social media that do not substantiate your claim that the police enabled domestic terrorists. It was literally called out on a fact check website and a mountain of contrary evidence indicates the police did not, in fact, enable the mob nor afford it special treatment relative to BLM protestors. If any officers are investigated found negligent or derelict and fired, that would be categorically different from your claims about enabling terrorists - an actual crime.

Citation needed for your "mountain of contrary evidence".

What we can see is that police moved back and either moved the barricade themselves or at the very least, allowed the rioters to move the barricade and storm in unimpeded while other officers were taking selfies with rioters that were illegally inside the capital.

That literally qualifies as enabling the domestic terrorists.

[Cope]

No squabbling can be seen in the video clip. What can be seen is police removing a barricade and walking away while the Trump rioters pour across the threshold. What is seen in the clip is literally enabling the protesters, unless, again you are operating under your own private definition of what enabling means.

You can see other videos of police taking seflies with the domestic terrorists:
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status...rotestors-riot

Those videos, while only seconds literally show police enabling the violators.

And just to clarify for your pedantry, I am not saying ALL police enabled the Trump mob, but SOME did and the ones that did should be investigated and removed from duty.

The simplest explanation is that the officers reasonably believed that opening the fence was the safest way of controlling the crowd (i.e. to prevent a potential crush). It may also be the case that they had no legal authority to prevent protesters from passing that point, or that they'd been issued orders from their commanders. Either way, the suggestion that the police were enabling "domestic terrorists" seems far-fetched.

[Big War Bird]

Is whataboutism the best you got? For a bunch of conservatives who have ranted against Marxism and Socialism you guys sure do like Soviet propaganda techniques.

I've seen mutliple reports that this is unprecedented, when a similar event happened only 2 years ago. I am not surprised by what happened yesterday. Left politicians and media have been winking and nodding at ever more aggressive confrontation and engaging in nonstop demonization of the Right.

I am capable thinking past my next meal and I can see where this is all going. It is perfectly predictable that the Right would adopt the tactics of the Left, and take it one step further, because that is what happens when the lines between what is acceptable and what is not gets blurred. I am absolutely in favor everyone yesterday getting being prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But I dont believe you believe that about BLM or Antifa.

Change my mind.