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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Oda Nobunaga View Post
    This is what I don't get. The Leftists are happy that Biden won but Biden is the most poised to actually deal with BLM and Antifa if he wanted to. If Trump had done it that might have been a problem. But Biden dealing with the radicals of his own side is an easier narrative to spin. The cognitive dissonance on the Left is astounding.
    Consistency is routinely sacrificed in favour of narrative and optics. The left smeared the USCP as a white supremacist organization which facilitated the 1/6 riot; now they triumphantly stand on the grave of a murdered USCP officer (one of three-dozen who was wounded protecting the Capitol).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legio_Italica View Post
    Republicans don’t hate Biden.
    Really? the same Republicans who were calling Obama socialist, "tar baby" and "boy", etc ad nauseam...?
    If you have forgotten, permite me to refresh your memory. Year 2014- Obama faces vile insults like no other president has - Chicago ...



    Quote Originally Posted by Legio_Italica View Post
    Republicans don’t hate Biden. They hate the people who hate Biden and tried everything they could to knock him out of the primaries.
    BS. They hate Biden,they they hate Obama and they hate the democratic socialist wing.

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    For whatever reason though, the Democrat establishment is committed to a loveless marriage with those same people
    Well, Fox News Sean Hannity predicted that you will regret voting for Biden. But you see, you haven't being paying attention to Biden's progressive catholicism. In 2015, he said of the Pope Francis: "He’s the embodiment of Catholic social doctrine that I was raised with. The idea that everyone’s entitled to dignity"
    He repeatedly quoted Pope Francis' new encyclical Fratelli Tutti ( see a previous post on the subject) on the campaign trail and again a few days ago. Indeed, Biden is far more progressive than you think.I would say that Biden is a continuation of the tradition of Roosevelt. Btw, read the FBI Files on Eleanor Roosevelt | American Experience




    As the Politico has rightly pointed out,
    Democrats Aren't Moving Left. They're Returning to Their Roots

    Moreover, European policies that American conservatives regard as staples of Scandinavian-style socialism—universal health care, government-provisioned child care, free or nearly free vocational and university education—were in fact born of a postwar accommodation between conservative and social democratic parties throughout Western and Central Europe.

    The Conservative Party in the United Kingdom, the Christian Democratic Union in Germany, Christian Democrats in Italy, the Austrian People’s Party, and the Popular Republican Movement in France are prime examples of center-right organizations that collaborated with socialist and centrist parties in establishing a welfare state that defined what historian Tony Jundt called the “‘European way’ of regulating social intercourse and inter-state relations.”

    The contours of this welfare state varied from country to country, and to be sure, socialists, liberals and conservatives contested—and continue to contest—just how generous the state should be to its citizens. But by the turn of the 21st century, Jundt argued, the “European Way” had become “a beacon … and a global challenge to the United States and the competing appeal of the ‘American way of life.’”

    In Europe, most of what we know today as the Democratic Party’s “progressive agenda” is normative. It’s the bare minimum of a social contract that enjoys wide support from conservatives, socialists and centrists alike.

    But if we begin from the proposition that such ideas are alien to America’s civic tradition—that they are far outside the mainstream—that they are a political nonstarter, we’re not only constricting the terms of debate. We’re betraying the historical record in the process.
    Allow me to remind you that the the US was demoted to a "flawed democracy" following the result of its divisive election in 2016. From a democratic point of view, Europe is in a better shape than the US.Don't try to teach us the meaning of the word democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Oda Nobunaga View Post
    The tricks that both these parties use to win supporters and keep the game going has never been as transparent as 2020/21. The GOP shouldn't even try to win anymore, since they get a lot more from just being the opposition party and winning on the local level, Senate etc etc. If they win, as Trump did, then they would actually have to provide something. While the DNC can just keep pandering to all sorts of different groups, form a Left coalition and win. Since they have no specific group that they need to be accountable to, then they don't need to provide anything specific. Although Obama signals the point where the DNC started to seriously deviate from their Liberal position towards a Leftist direction. Funny enough because the leadership itself hasn't changed at all.
    Divide and conquer is always easier than uniting people to solve problems, especially if you have no solutions. After the last four years, it’s hard to climb on the soapbox about some of the GOP’s less reputable cleavages of support when the DNC is trying to negotiate a hostage situation with their own party against anarchists and self-described Marxists and socialists, while also claiming the right to dominate all the country’s institutions as a matter of moral certainty. It’s also the fault of voters, really, when any attempt to reach across the aisle on either side will get the offending official murdered at the polls. The shift that happened under Obama was that Republicans figured out conspiracy theories whip votes just as well or better than a real counterargument, and the Democrats figured out they don’t need to deliver on hope and change so long as they can treat a vote against their agenda as an attack on civil rights.

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    Hmmm, while Trump was met with cheering crowds on his return to Florida, the China puppet king Biden had thousands of the NG troops sent to Washington to protect him turn their backs on him as his motorcade drove by.

    As to the China puppet's prospect of future popularity, one only has to look at his priorities on his first day of sitting behind the big desk. While his promise of a $2,000 check on his first day in office bought him a lot of votes in the Georgia Senate races those folks who bought into that lie are going to be sorely disappointed. It turns out that those $2,000 checks aren't his first priority after all.

    On his first day as puppet in chief Biden went right to work on economy destroying executive orders such as rejoining the Paris Climate rip-off, canceling the XL pipeline, and halting border wall construction; etc. Have no fear, when economic disaster hits us, the press will be there to tell us it's the Orange man's fault.

    As far as those checks go, it looks like if they do come they'll be $1400 dollars and if Democratic leaders in congress are to be believed they might come in March or April. I'm sure those people who were expecting a big paycheck are going to be thrilled to find out they probably won't be getting it.

    The puppet king is off to a roaring start when it comes to left-wing activism, but the press is reassuring us that his main goal is unity, don't ya know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Oda Nobunaga View Post
    This is what I don't get. The Leftists are happy that Biden won but Biden is the most poised to actually deal with BLM and Antifa if he wanted to. If Trump had done it that might have been a problem. But Biden dealing with the radicals of his own side is an easier narrative to spin. The cognitive dissonance on the Left is astounding.
    The essence of radicalism is that most people aren't radicals. Why would a non radical who votes for Biden care about Antifa or BLM radicals, as long as Biden makes some headway to combating white supremacism and racial inequality?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_mango55 View Post
    You want someone to explain why poetry can inspire people?
    I want someone to explain why the characteristics of the person reading the poetry is inspiring.

    Though I know what Biden might day about it lmao

    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludicus View Post
    Really? the same Republicans who were calling Obama socialist, "tar baby" and "boy", etc ad nauseam...?
    If you have forgotten, permite me to refresh your memory. Year 2014- Obama faces vile insults like no other president has - Chicago ...




    BS. They hate Biden,they they hate Obama and they hate the democratic socialist wing.


    Well, Fox News Sean Hannity predicted that you will regret voting for Biden. But you see, you haven't being paying attention to Biden's progressive catholicism. In 2015, he said of the Pope Francis: "He’s the embodiment of Catholic social doctrine that I was raised with. The idea that everyone’s entitled to dignity"
    He repeatedly quoted Pope Francis' new encyclical Fratelli Tutti ( see a previous post on the subject) on the campaign trail and again a few days ago. Indeed, Biden is far more progressive than you think.I would say that Biden is a continuation of the tradition of Roosevelt. Btw, read the FBI Files on Eleanor Roosevelt | American Experience




    As the Politico has rightly pointed out,
    Democrats Aren't Moving Left. They're Returning to Their Roots



    Allow me to remind you that the the US was demoted to a "flawed democracy" following the result of its divisive election in 2016. From a democratic point of view, Europe is in a better shape than the US.Don't try to teach us the meaning of the word democracy.
    I do enjoy the effort you put into these barely topical tangents, but you can spare me the irrelevant diatribes. You spent the entire primary season entertaining Trumpist talking points about Biden’s dealings in Ukraine and insinuating he was a rapist before deciding he was a hero because he won the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muizer View Post
    Why would a non radical who votes for Biden care about Antifa or BLM radicals, as long as Biden makes some headway to combating white supremacism and racial inequality?
    Ouch.You know the answer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Legio_Italica View Post
    You spent the entire primary season entertaining Trumpist talking points about Biden’s dealings in Ukraine..
    To be fair, it's obvious that more than a few things need to be clarified. Hunter Biden: Federal criminal investigation focuses on his ...
    After going quiet in the months before the election, federal authorities are now actively investigating the business dealings of Hunter Biden
    And - if I remember well, Kamala said she believes some, not all, of Biden's sexual harassment accusers.

    That said, I also wrote that I was surprised when I read that Barack Obama 'offered Biden money when son Beau sick ... and then I said that I was changing my mind: A rich man doesn't need Obama's money.

    As far as I can see, Biden is following a correct,politically long and painful path. That's what matters most.I don't envy Biden, trying to govern a bipolarized country. I have no doubt that the extreme political partisanship in America is related to cognitive inflexibility: in a country where democratic socialists are "communists", democracy is hopelessly flawed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Legio_Italica View Post
    I do enjoy the effort you put into these barely topical tangents,
    Stop repeating again and again your favorite phrase, "topical tangents"; I also do enjoy the effort you put on empty buzzwords.

    Yes, I'm pro-Sanders politics, but the attention Biden pays to progressive politics surprised me in a very positive way, and is to be lauded: Biden repeatedly quotes Pope's new encyclical, intensively political;Biden is a progressive catholic, and that's good. Biden's executive order's (17) are the right choice. all of this shows that Biden is a deeply humanistic man, and he is doing a fine job.

    More good news, Biden wants to reverse the Trump’s attacks on abortion rights- and I’m thrilled to hear that US will join the #COVAX Facility: the US and the EU are now speaking the same language. Fauci: US to repeal anti-abortion rule on aid and join Covax ...

    Biden to push U.S. Congress for money to fight pandemic ...
    The United States will back a global plan to combat COVID-19 and get vaccines to poorer countries as part of a national strategy unveiled by President Joe Biden on Thursday... Biden will direct his secretary of state and secretary of health and human services to notify the WHO and the GAVI vaccine alliance of Washington’s intent to support the Access to COVID-19 Tools (ACT) Accelerator and join its COVAX facility...Vice President Kamala Harris spoke with WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus on Thursday about Washington’s plans, the White House said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludicus View Post
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    Don't get angry because an young American poet and black girl delivered a beautiful poem calling for unity - and hope for a better future. Yes, she described herself (sic) "a skinny black girl descended from slaves and raised by a single mother who can dream of becoming president, only to find her self reciting for one".
    I'm not angry at all.

    I don't see how rhetoric is actually going to get rid of racism. It just doesn't address the issue and tries to bury it under feels and virtue signalling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludicus View Post
    To be fair, it's obvious that more than a few things need to be clarified. Hunter Biden: Federal criminal investigation focuses on his ...

    And - if I remember well, Kamala said she believes some, not all, of Biden's sexual harassment accusers.

    That said, I also wrote that I was surprised when I read that Barack Obama 'offered Biden money when son Beau sick ... and then I said that I was changing my mind: A rich man doesn't need Obama's money.

    As far as I can see, Biden is following a correct,politically long and painful path. That's what matters most.I don't envy Biden, trying to govern a bipolarized country. I have no doubt that the extreme political partisanship in America is related to cognitive inflexibility: in a country where democratic socialists are "communists", democracy is hopelessly flawed.


    Stop repeating again and again your favorite phrase, "topical tangents"; I also do enjoy the effort you put on empty buzzwords.


    Yes, I'm pro-Sanders politics, but the attention Biden pays to progressive politics surprised me in a very positive way, and is to be lauded: Biden repeatedly quotes Pope's new encyclical, intensively political;Biden is a progressive catholic, and that's good. Biden's executive order's (17) are the right choice. all of this shows that Biden is a deeply humanistic man, and he is doing a fine job.

    More good news, Biden wants to reverse the Trump’s attacks on abortion rights- and I’m thrilled to hear that US will join the #COVAX Facility: the US and the EU are now speaking the same language. Fauci: US to repeal anti-abortion rule on aid and join Covax ...

    Biden to push U.S. Congress for money to fight pandemic ...

    In Europe, https://europa.eu/!Jv67pq #StrongerTogether
    Pointing out the hypocrisy of your empty praise for/qualitative defense of Biden as a Progressive champion is not “empty buzzwords,” especially when nothing in my post could be construed as critical of the man himself. After defaming him as a politically corrupt rapist for several months last year, your impassioned attack on Republican talking points, some of which you yourself adopted when it was convenient for your politics, is particularly hollow as well as irrelevant to the post to which you ostensibly responded (a “barely topical tangent.”) You categorically objected to my post based on talking points about how Republicans characterized Obama, and claimed Biden is especially Progressive because he’s Catholic. Those are non sequiturs even if I were to pretend they had any relevance to what I said.

    As for the ire of historically Republican voters, look no further than the facts:
    Four years ago, Trump won the presidency on the margin of three states—Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania—by a combined 77,744 votes. It was, to use poker terminology, an “inside straight,” the sort of hand that seemingly comes together more by luck than by skill.

    The story isn’t that Trump’s luck appears to have run out. The story is that Biden is poised to beat him with the same exact hand.

    In 2016, the president carried the WOW counties by yawning margins. Washington was decided by 40 points, Waukesha by 27 and Ozaukee by 19 points. (The Ozaukee result was particularly interesting: It was the tightest race in generations, and yet, no Democrat had broken 40 percent of the vote there in a half-century.)

    Four years later, Biden closed the gap in all three. Trump won Washington by 38 points, Waukesha by 21 points and Ozaukee by 12 points. Biden’s vote share in Ozaukee? You guessed it: 43 percent.

    In a vacuum, those totals might not seem noteworthy. But taken together—as a picture of suburban Milwaukee and as a wider snapshot of wealthy white suburbs across the Midwest—they are the difference between a President Trump and a President Biden.

    Margins matter in tight races. The story of 2020, in the Midwest and elsewhere, was Biden whittling down the president’s margins in the conservative suburbs where Trump’s team thought he might be safe.

    To win the presidency, Biden never needed Obama-era levels of turnout and support from Black voters. He just needed significant improvement on the performance of Clinton in 2016.

    He has gotten exactly that—and with it, more than likely, a four-year term as president.

    https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...midwest-434114
    Trump made gains among every key racial minority demographic in 2020 compared to 2016. The one major constituency where his support actually fell - and Biden gained - was among white males, both with and without college degrees, Trump’s core support base. It’s almost counterfactual to claim traditional Republican voting blocs hate Biden in particular when his electoral victory is thanks in no small part to cleaving portions of those same constituencies away from his Republican opponent. As I said, moderate and moderately conservative voters don’t necessarily hate Biden. The aversion to the political left is directed chiefly toward the same radical wing of the Democrat Party that tried everything they could to torpedo Biden’s candidacy in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Oda Nobunaga View Post
    I'm not angry at all.

    I don't see how rhetoric is actually going to get rid of racism. It just doesn't address the issue and tries to bury it under feels and virtue signalling.
    Perhaps more meaningful than the Trump approach. He deals with the issue by saying he loves racists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Oda Nobunaga View Post
    I'm not angry at all.

    I don't see how rhetoric is actually going to get rid of racism. It just doesn't address the issue and tries to bury it under feels and virtue signalling.
    To be fair I think continuing racism serves the interests of a lot of incumbents. While there are genuine efforts made by both major parties to address and resolve racist issues I'd say there are plenty who prefer to have a simplified and unresolved situation where their supporters will vote for them because they signal a certain stance.

    A bit of virtue signalling is a good thing, some rhetoric greases wheels and can even persuade certain intelligence brackets (eg mine: low-to-middling) to mobilise their efforts.

    Certainly old mate Trump "vice-signalled" a heap (with his Charlottesville flirtation with murdering white supremacists, his smearing of Mexicans etc etc) which fed off, or just fed, racism, so they are at least related.

    In a similar vein others vice signalled looting BLM affiliated mobs (in an effort to keep their storefronts unsmashed and maybe access the woke-market, which is apparently a thing). Rhetoric validating rioting isn't a great look and bodes poorly for the future: I think like racist rhetoric stokes racism like "looting is a valid way to redistributed wealth" stokes looting.

    So I think rhetoric feeds racism, I think so maybe it can be an antidote too.

    Mor cynically, if Biden is a Clintonista cynical power seeking politician (and he likely is) he's unlikely to want to enrich a rusted on demographic to the point where they might consider voting for someone else. Something similar happened in Australia where the Catholic vote (largely Irish) was broadly Labor affiliated until the 1970s. Irish-descended Catholic Australians achieved parity in wealth and status before WWII but after decades inside the halls of power began to fragment and currently there's a substantial Catholic Right faction in our conservative ruling party (called the Liberals but more properly the Mining and Murdoch Party). Something similar has happened with the Greek orthodox community, in a shorter time (the multiculrtural society favoured by Labor did not develop into an electoral hegemony, as people seem to think Democrat immigration will inevitably do).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legio_Italica View Post
    Pointing out the hypocrisy of your, empty praise for/qualitative defense of Biden.
    There is no hypocrisy, the praise is not empty, it's well founded, based on facts, and I'm sincere. I changed my mind, and I said it as soon as I understood that Biden was relatively poor, ready to sell his house.
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    Do you think that Biden was captured by Kamala Harris when/after she went out swinging against Biden and said she believed his sexual harassment accusers? and attacked his "record" on busing and working with segregationists? Well, she is the Vice- President of the US, not me.
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    What struck me, what I'm trying to understand, why did you vote for Biden? why do you keep denying the existence of systemic racism? do you really think that Biden was captured by the left wing of the Party, as you said before?
    And here I go...
    One of the last remarks that MLK gave was “I've Been To The Mountaintop”. Ask yoursef, how often King’s political legacy gets whitewashed and look through rose colored glasses? What was he doing on his last day? He was standing up with sanitation workers, demanding better working conditions. The next day, he was shot and killed.

    Read King’s “letter from a Birmingham Jail”,
    When I was suddenly catapulted into the leadership of the bus protest in Montgomery, Alabama, a few years ago, I felt we would be supported by the white church. I felt that the white ministers, priests and rabbis of the South would be among our strongest allies. Instead, some have been outright opponents, refusing to understand the freedom movement and misrepresenting its leaders; all too many others have been more cautious than courageous and have remained silent behind the anesthetizing security of stained glass windows.
    In spite of my shattered dreams, I came to Birmingham with the hope that the white religious leadership of this community would see the justice of our cause and, with deep moral concern, would serve as the channel through which our just grievances could reach the power structure. I had hoped that each of you would understand. But again I have been disappointed.
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    Dear Legio, you are an intelligent man,please stop pretending systemic racism doesn’t exist. Here’s... The Biden Plan to Build Back Better by Advancing Racial Equity in America...
    How Joe Biden, Kamala Harris Volunteered on MLK Day ...

    Two days ahead of their inauguration as president and vice president of the United States...Afterward, Harris spoke...
    "I think it's so important to remember that Dr. King was killed in large part, I believe, because he was on the verge of bringing together the civil rights movement around racial justice with the fight for economic justice. And when we look at where we are as a country today, when we look at recent events, we know that the fight Dr. King was engaged in is still a fight in America, which is to recognize the connection and to recognize our collective responsibility to address these injustices."
    Was Kamala Harris also captured by the leftist virus? Legio, why the hell did you vote for Biden?

    Forgive me, but this is something you have in common with Trump, both of you denied systemic racism exists in the planet earth. Given the fact that you are a great admirer of Aristocratic Republics, father-son Presidents, Adamses and Bushes, all American Presidential families, wives and husbands, I encourage you to vote for Joseph Kennedy III, a potential candidate in the next Presidential election.
    Hmm,might be not a good idea.Joe Kennedy III on Twitter,
    Our system was founded on racism, white supremacy, and oppression. It’s not broken. It’s working the way it was designed to. We must use this moment to tear it down and build something better.
    Reality check- and that's my point: all democrats who made history in the 2020 election are actively antiracists.

    In a friendly way, Legio, why did you vote for the Democratic Party?

    Here, I'm constantly reminded that I’m “obsessed with Holocaust, it’s morbid”.Well,I would say the Holocaust is a past that doesn’t pass. I’m also constantly reminded that I’m “obsessed with racism”.

    At the turn of the 20th century, W.E.B. Dubois's rightly wrote: "The problem of the twentieth century is the problem of the color line”. Now, if you/we want to make disapear once and for all the color-coding of American life/of our lives/of our countries, that’s great, I completely agree, but in first place we should take all necessary steps to completely obliterate systemic racism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludicus
    Do you think that Biden was captured by Kamala Harris when/after she went out swinging against Biden and said she believed his sexual harassment accusers? and attacked his "record" on busing and working with segregationists? Well, she is the Vice- President of the US, not me.
    She did so in an ultimately failed attempt to knock Biden down in the polls and jolt her primary bid ahead. Considering she plagiarized a story from MLK just to enhance her credibility as a civil rights activist, there are any number of reasons why her calculus led her to hit Biden below the belt, only to later kneel and kiss the ring in order to be his running mate. In a word, politics. Let me know if anyone in the press dares ask her if she still stands by her attacks today. I’ll have my popcorn ready.
    What struck me, what I'm trying to understand, why did you vote for Biden? why do you keep denying the existence of systemic racism? do you really think that Biden was captured by the left wing of the Party, as you said before?
    I voted for Biden because I couldn’t vote for Trump. American politics is binary. It remains to be seen whether Biden will seek to deliver on the radical and unpopular ideas he distanced himself from on the campaign trail in order to attract the moderate and historically conservative constituencies that were vital to his electoral victory. The good news for Democrats’ systemic racism mythology is, it is unfalsifiable and therefore infinitely versatile. It’s easy to combat something that doesn’t exist and thus claim victory(s) at the polls- or alternatively, to spotlight it as a deflection of legitimate criticism, scapegoat it for real problems, and undermine those who threaten a given political agenda by casting opposition as immoral and hateful. After all, “The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.”

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    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...?sref=a2d7LMhq

    Wow... what a surprise! (not)
    Bidet got 145M$ in "dark money" from anonymous donors at a time when his backbenchers were supposedly fighting the Swamp and the anonymous donations. Trump got 28M$ from the Swamp, much less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legio_Italica View Post
    Democrats’ systemic racism mythology
    What mythology? The whole crux of the Republican attempt to undermine the democratic will of the people (and the college) was to consider the votes of urban black voters illegitimate. And did you not notice the GOP's informal alliance with white supremacists and conspiracy nutters?

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    Or in a less conspiratorial take, Biden donors didn't want to identify themselves for retaliation by Trump Supporters. It's one reason you didn't see many Biden signs, who wants their house shot up or burned down?

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    @mongrel: delete the "informal"

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    You guys *rolleyes*

    They're anonymous because they likely also donated to the GOP - most likely through senate or house candidates rather than Trump. Large anonymous donors are usually known personally by candidates. Winks and nudges all round. The biggest donors will publicly donate to one party and privately the other, and visa versa. They are buying influence with whomever wins and hedging their bets.
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