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    34 43.59%
  • Joe Biden - Kamala Harris (Democrats)

    37 47.44%
  • Jo Jorgensen - Spike Cohen (Libertarians)

    4 5.13%
  • Howie Hawkins - Angela Walker (Greens)

    0 0%
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    3 3.85%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    Last I checked Florida latinos are tilting away from Biden so that's an interesting windmill you're playing with.
    Uh, this isn't rocket science. It doesn't even require critical thinking. Most felons would vote democrat if given the opportunity, including Latino felons. That's the reason (and the only reason) Virginia's Democratic governor restored voting rights to 13,000 convicted felons. Look it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Wait, eligibility is determined by race? That's a textbook civil rights violation. And as Also as Gaidin said, Florida's Hispanic population are descendants of Cubans who fled from Castro's regime and are are as hardline Republicans as evangelicals in Deep South. Also his SCOTUS pick may be a Cuban-American woman. If that happens, Trump has Florida in the bag.
    First of all, the article mentions the possibility of a lawsuit.

    Secondly; see above.



    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    Can someone provide a credible source for this? This is too heavy to fly. Unlike some posters here, I can't believe it would be legal to say "We will pay fines only for X race".
    This is not something that mainstream media would like to report because it is definitely not something most voters would support. In other words it's a turn-off for most voters. There are two sources given here. I if you don't like them, you can look up Florida Rights Restoration Coalition. That's the "organization" that will be doing the ballot harvesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Yeah, that's definitely against civil rights, so I'm not sure if I want to trust the right-wing version of MSNBC on that one.
    Then again, Bloomberg isn't a politically smart person, at least judging by his primaries campaign. The whole "poor people should have less purchasing power" thing was quite the take, even for a Democrat.
    See above.

    Most of the money comes from Bloomberg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    I have lost track of TW games, which one is ETW? Is that the one in China?

    I did mention myself a few posts above that there is a possibility people simply won't bother voting. It's one of the reasons why I wonder about these odds. Certainly their coverage. On one hand it appears as if they are electrifying the Democratic base, increasing donations etc, which is why they are being touted by the Democrat supporting media. On the other hand the threat of apathy does loom. But then again polarization in the US has reached what seems to be historic levels, so maybe they don't need to worry about that.

    Considering a +1 in your weapon can make all the difference between killing that evil alhoon standing at the end of this dungeon and it having your brain for breakfast... I'll say it is quite the advantage alright.

    BTW betting houses seem to have it at -130 Biden/+110 Trump today.
    If we're talking gambling, then what happened in Pennsylvania seems less likely to happen this time around. As I noted a couple of pages back... some of those key states that Trump managed to win last time are trending democrat in both the presidential and the Senate/House votes, and people usually tend to block vote.

    If I was a gambling person, based on current polling at Senate/House level, and wanted a risky bet, there is enough temptation in play to go with a democrat sweep of the Hill and the White House - in which the SCOTUS would end up being a parting shot as the GOP walks out the door - signalling a couple of years of panic and swift policy from the Democrats as they try to get as much done as possible before the midterms. The GOP couldn't manage much in 2016 with all 3, mostly because Trump still had a divided GOP to unify. I doubt the Democrats would have the same problem. But the realist in me thinks it's more likely we get Biden and a split Hill status quo. Which is a recipe for another half decade of polarisation and ongoing inability to get anything done as Biden undoes all those decrees and nothing much else.

    Really what the US needs right now is either for the GOP to get another shot as per 2016, or for the Deomcrats to sweep. That way there is a chance for policy to advance in some direction. Any direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antaeus View Post
    Really what the US needs right now is either for the GOP to get another shot as per 2016, or for the Deomcrats to sweep. That way there is a chance for policy to advance in some direction. Any direction.
    You believe Trump will be more effective in his second term, if he gets one? I suppose I can see the rationale behind that, too much time and energy was wasted during his first term battling russian witch-hunts and nevertrumpers, even Republican ones, it was quite an unusual sight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    You believe Trump will be more effective in his second term, if he gets one? I suppose I can see the rationale behind that, too much time and energy was wasted during his first term battling russian witch-hunts and nevertrumpers, even Republican ones, it was quite an unusual sight.
    We're not going to see the GOP take control of the Hill. So no, I don't think Trump would be more effective in a second term.

    I think we'd have another couple of years of battles over legitimacy with the House - witch hunts, Russia, blah... Although as a long shot, we could see the GOP take the Hill after the midterms. Then we might see a Trump in legacy mode chasing Mt Rushmore (figure of speech), battling those in the GOP who are running to replace him. Trump controls the GOP right now, so stuff might get done in the race to seem most effective.

    I think this is a less likely scenario however. My most likely scenario is a Biden presidency with GOP Senate. The other options being in my order of likelihood:
    - Biden presidency with Dem Senate and House
    - Trump presidency with GOP Senate and Dem House
    - Trump presidency with Dem Senate and House (This would be great fun, and surely see an impeachment or three and maybe a President Pence by the midterms?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by antaeus View Post
    We're not going to see the GOP take control of the Hill. So no, I don't think Trump would be more effective in a second term.

    I think we'd have another couple of years of battles over legitimacy with the House - witch hunts, Russia, blah... Although as a long shot, we could see the GOP take the Hill after the midterms. Then we might see a Trump in legacy mode chasing Mt Rushmore (figure of speech), battling those in the GOP who are running to replace him. Trump controls the GOP right now, so stuff might get done in the race to seem most effective.

    I think this is a less likely scenario however. My most likely scenario is a Biden presidency with GOP Senate. The other options being in my order of likelihood:
    - Biden presidency with Dem Senate and House
    - Trump presidency with GOP Senate and Dem House
    - Trump presidency with Dem Senate and House (This would be great fun, and surely see an impeachment or three and maybe a President Pence by the midterms?)
    That all sounds fairly logical, but I wouldn't count out the Republicans taking the House. That loss was orchestrated by Paul Ryan and the Republican establishment giving Trump the finger as they walked out the door. The ones that left were globalists and were quite happy with the Dems taking control. It may not be likely that the Republicans take the House, but frankly, anything is possible this year; including a civil war.

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    That all sounds fairly logical, but I wouldn't count out the Republicans taking the House. That loss was orchestrated by Paul Ryan and the Republican establishment giving Trump the finger as they walked out the door. The ones that left were globalists and were quite happy with the Dems taking control. It may not be likely that the Republicans take the House, but frankly, anything is possible this year; including a civil war.
    Oh you're right... nothing is out of the question. The Dems do have a good cushion in the House, but a great many of those seats are close to margin-of-error polling. It's hard to find a decent non-partisan summary of polls on a nation wide level, but the consensus seems to be that Dems have about a 30 something seat lead and there's about 20-25 or so seats which are a toss-up, so it seems unlikely. But nation wide views can be misleading, so all it might take is a few localised controversies or Biden keeling over (although with that facelift who would notice?) and who knows.

    Like I said... I think what's best for the US is for there to be a period of time where one party doesn't have the chance to screw with the other for a while, and where the other party is forced to go away and look at itself. A period where partisanship can't be used as an excuse for witch hunts and fillibuster in either direction, and where real action at a policy level can happen. It might give an opportunity for some breathing space and reflection. Partisanship only becomes a problem when it prevents the function of government, and that's where we're at right now.

    As for civil war... I'm not convinced that your average factory worker from Joplin, Missouri cares enough about anything that your average IT technician from Apple Palo Alto, California does to want to kill them. The volume on the news media is always turned up to 11. Whether that actually reflects "real" America is another question entirely. There are 300,000,000+ Americans. I suspect that those protesting in Portland and those carrying guns to the Capitol in Michigan don't reflect the majority of anything except good newsreel clips. I'm highly dubious about any likelihood of any kind of civil war.
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    Does Biden have a Latino-voter problem?

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    In Florida, the historically conservative Cuban American cohort has lurched toward Trump in the past few years. After roughly splitting their votes between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama in 2012, Florida’s Cuban Americans are breaking for Trump by about 20 points, according to a recent poll by Equis. (Biden leads non-Cuban Latinos in the state by about 30 points, according to the same poll.) “Trump is clearly doing even better among Cuban Americans than some previous Republicans,” Mark Lopez, the director of Hispanic research at Pew Research Center, told me. “Biden’s weakness in Florida has something to do with the president’s anti-socialist rhetoric” that equates left-wing Democrats with the Castro regime, which Cuban Americans moved north to escape.

    Even more concerning for Democrats is that young Latino men born in the United States seem to be inching toward Trump, intrigued perhaps by the president’s business persona. No single group has posted a larger statistical bump for Trump than Latino men under the age of 50, according to Equis.

    Unlike the Cuban American phenomenon, which is confined almost entirely to Florida, this appears to be a national phenomenon. In Arizona, for example, only half of Latino men under 50 say they will vote for Biden, far fewer than the nearly 70 percent of young Latina women. Among older Latinos in Arizona, there is practically no difference between male and female preferences, with Biden’s edge among women at just 3 percent.

    The gender gap among young Latino voters is “one of the most significant new developments in the Latino vote today,” Lopez said... As net immigration from Mexico and Central America continues to decline, third- and fourth-generation Latino men (i.e., whose grandparents or great-grandparents immigrated to the U.S.) seem to be less likely to consider themselves “Latino” or “Hispanic” and more likely to vote like white men, the GOP’s demographic sweet spot.


    The Rise of the Latino Republican

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    These numbers challenge a core assumption shared by both major party establishments: the idea that nonwhite, immigrant voters are predestined to vote Democratic. For Democrats, this assumption manifests in revealingly eager rhetoric about the inevitability of progressivism’s political triumph in a diversifying country. Meanwhile, for Republicans, the fear that “demographics are destiny” — that a less-white America is necessarily a more left-wing one — often drives the increased propensity for immigration restrictionism.

    ...

    While Joe Biden is still likely to carry the Hispanic vote in November, these changing attitudes suggest an opportunity — not a setback — for future Republican efforts. One of the great ironies of contemporary American politics is that white Democrats now sit to the left of minorities on virtually every issue, including many aspects of political correctness, identity politics, and religion. Both Hispanics and blacks are devoutly Christian, report consistently high church attendance rates, and poll socially conservative on a variety of cultural concerns. It’s unlikely that African-American loyalty to the Democratic Party will waver significantly in the coming years, but the Hispanic vote remains an open question. In fact, the latter demographic “has been trending more favorably towards Republicans going back to the early 1970s, since at least Richard Nixon,” Chavez says.

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    But insofar as recent arrivals do skew Democratic, Republicans should consider the possibility that their party’s anti-immigrant wing is alienating a large swathe of voters in an otherwise sympathetic demographic.

    For many conservative Latinos, the Republican Party’s attitude on this issue can be frustrating. “Today, millions of immigrants who are otherwise conservative voters are staying home or voting for the Democrats for the single reason that if one party supports deporting their DACA sibling or cousin, they will never vote for them,” says Daniel Di Martino, a 21-year-old Venezuelan refugee who spoke at the 2020 Conservative Political Action Conference about his experiences with socialism in his home country. “The same is true with legal immigration: Those who naturalized and came here legally are much less likely to support a candidate who is attacking the visa they used to become American citizens.”

    Alternatively, Martino says: “A GOP that embraces immigration, like America has historically, will attract millions of new voters and win elections where now we can’t even imagine the party competing.”

    ...

    Even with the president’s aggressive stance on immigration issues, Hispanics appear to be increasingly comfortable with the Republican Party — a fact that, in and of itself, seems to contradict one of the White House’s primary justifications for its restrictionist policies. One can only imagine how this trend could be accelerated were the Right to return to its traditional roots on the issue. Republicans should see the Hispanic community as an ally, not a threat: “Latinos are Republicans,” Reagan famously liked to say. “They just don’t know it yet.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    I have lost track of TW games, which one is ETW? Is that the one in China?

    I did mention myself a few posts above that there is a possibility people simply won't bother voting. It's one of the reasons why I wonder about these odds. Certainly their coverage. On one hand it appears as if they are electrifying the Democratic base, increasing donations etc, which is why they are being touted by the Democrat supporting media. On the other hand the threat of apathy does loom. But then again polarization in the US has reached what seems to be historic levels, so maybe they don't need to worry about that.

    Considering a +1 in your weapon can make all the difference between killing that evil alhoon standing at the end of this dungeon and it having your brain for breakfast... I'll say it is quite the advantage alright.

    BTW betting houses seem to have it at -130 Biden/+110 Trump today.
    alhoons are undead Alastor. They eat your brains for memories not for breakfast. Jeez.

    Anyway, ETW is the most bugged release in the history of Total War, with the worst AI at release you've ever seen. You think R2TW was bad? ETW was worse.

    Apathy is the real danger again, because while the media present the polarization, there is a part of the electorate that is disgusted by their options. One of my friends has changed his mind over which of the two is the lesser evil like 3 times in the past 6 months.
    The "both are crap" don't get enough of the spotlight despite being the key factor. The "Trump is the savior" crowds and "Trump is Hitler on steroids" crowds are close in numbers. The 20% of the not-committed/undecided in the few swing states will be the kingmakers.
    Those of them that are so disgusted that won't vote or those that will make their mind in the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antaeus View Post
    Oh you're right... nothing is out of the question. The Dems do have a good cushion in the House, but a great many of those seats are close to margin-of-error polling. It's hard to find a decent non-partisan summary of polls on a nation wide level, but the consensus seems to be that Dems have about a 30 something seat lead and there's about 20-25 or so seats which are a toss-up, so it seems unlikely. But nation wide views can be misleading, so all it might take is a few localised controversies or Biden keeling over (although with that facelift who would notice?) and who knows.

    Like I said... I think what's best for the US is for there to be a period of time where one party doesn't have the chance to screw with the other for a while, and where the other party is forced to go away and look at itself. A period where partisanship can't be used as an excuse for witch hunts and fillibuster in either direction, and where real action at a policy level can happen. It might give an opportunity for some breathing space and reflection. Partisanship only becomes a problem when it prevents the function of government, and that's where we're at right now.

    As for civil war... I'm not convinced that your average factory worker from Joplin, Missouri cares enough about anything that your average IT technician from Apple Palo Alto, California does to want to kill them. The volume on the news media is always turned up to 11. Whether that actually reflects "real" America is another question entirely. There are 300,000,000+ Americans. I suspect that those protesting in Portland and those carrying guns to the Capitol in Michigan don't reflect the majority of anything except good newsreel clips. I'm highly dubious about any likelihood of any kind of civil war.
    That's all fine and well, except that estimation doesn't account for the importance of 2A rights which are certain to be undermined with a Biden and Democratic takeover. There are issues worth fighting over and primacy above them all is the very ability to fight itself. As long as the threat against anarchy and tyranny has the ability to manifest itself the less likely hood that there will be tyranny and anarchy. This is a thought that is not lost on the right. Those workers you referred to do not want to become Chinese peasants.

    It is undisputed that most Latino families are working class, and it is also recognized that it is a culture with a strong work ethic. Most of them come form socialist leaning countries and they are familiar with loafers getting by on the labor of others. For a lot of them this is not something they find appealing.

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    How many guns did Obama take away BW? I assume you have guns? "Taking all guns away" is just a trope used by the Republican party to scare and distract you. While you guys are only focused on your guns, the GOP has been causing your wages to stagnate while funneling the nation's wealth to billionaires, defunding education, and stripping away laws that prevented them from polluting the air you breathe and the water you drink. And now they want to repeal Obamacare, making healthcare something only for the wealthy, during a pandemic.

    And even worse, they're feeding you an outright lie. The USSC decision in Heller v. D.C. and the lapsing of the Assault Weapons Ban would indicate that, if anything, gun laws loosened under Obama and will likely continue to do so under Biden. The Judiciary seems primed to side with individual owners in any disputes.

    So no, we aren't coming for your guns, and people who tell you that proof of it not happening is the strongest proof it's GOING to!!!!!!!!! are lying to you.

    socialist leaning countries and they are familiar with loafers getting by on the labor of others
    This is also false. Lots of right-wingers seem to believe that every non-capitalistic economic system is a moochers paradise where everyone sits around and gets free stuff. Ironically, a capitalist republic/democracy is the best place in the world to be a moocher. We actually have things like disability, EBT, unemployment checks and social security that can all be abused by those with no morals. In most non-capitalistic countries your options if you won't/can't work or contribute in any way are 1: Be born rich, 2: Beg, 3: Starve. And in actual communist countries not working has traditionally meant a one-way ticked to a forced labor camp or outright execution.
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    This is no choice, and no elections. Whatever the candidates, the US is run by the same establishment. The elections are just a distraction for the people to let them think thay they have a voice, which is not true at all. Its all just manipulation of the society and playing one side against the other. Let the people be divided and busy fighting amongs themselves.

    Why do you even vote people? Cant you see your votes mean nothing? I voted once in my life, when i was 18 and naive, later i understood that my voice counts for nothing because its the system that is rigged against the people. If nobody voted, this whole system would fall apart, so i dont vote.

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    alhoons are undead Alastor. They eat your brains for memories not for breakfast. Jeez.

    Anyway, ETW is the most bugged release in the history of Total War, with the worst AI at release you've ever seen. You think R2TW was bad? ETW was worse.

    Apathy is the real danger again, because while the media present the polarization, there is a part of the electorate that is disgusted by their options. One of my friends has changed his mind over which of the two is the lesser evil like 3 times in the past 6 months.
    The "both are crap" don't get enough of the spotlight despite being the key factor. The "Trump is the savior" crowds and "Trump is Hitler on steroids" crowds are close in numbers. The 20% of the not-committed/undecided in the few swing states will be the kingmakers.
    Those of them that are so disgusted that won't vote or those that will make their mind in the end.
    Fine, it will have your memories for breakfast, there, happy? Jeez.

    Well I actually don't think R2TW was that bad, because I first played it with the Emperor edition, which was quite fine I think.

    Anyway "both are crap" is my position indeed. I wrote earlier I don't believe that there is a meaningful choice here. I would never vote for Trump, likewise I would never vote for Biden/Harris or her douchebag corporate lawyer husband. So if I was a voter I'd be in a pickle. Considering I can't really find any even-handed media outlets really, I'm surprised to hear that there is a 20% undecided. It certainly doesn't add up with the extreme polarization visible in nearly every article I come across. But it could be, as I said earlier, simply a ploy to increase donations and galvanize ones base. I suppose what I'm getting at is that the media has been entirely untrustworthy throughout the Trump era, why would this change now and that's rather scary.

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    How many guns did Obama take away BW? I assume you have guns? "Taking all guns away" is just a trope used by the Republican party to scare and distract you. While you guys are only focused on your guns, the GOP has been causing your wages to stagnate while funneling the nation's wealth to billionaires,
    Anti-Trump legacy media is owned by billionaires.
    Anti-Trump NGOs are funded by billionaires.
    Democratic party is owned and controlled by billionaires.
    So much for being against billionaires, eh?
    defunding education, and stripping away laws that prevented them from polluting the air you breathe and the water you drink.
    You can ask Bernie "replace a clean nuclear power plant with coal plant" Sanders. I don't think he is a Republican though.

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    So you agree that Democrats whining about "systematic racism" while sporting VP candidate enforcing what was systematic racism under their own definition is hypocrisy. Good.
    Not enforcing, enforced. I think it is the progressive's burden to have to keep disavowing their older selves.
    Latinos are genuinely too diverse to be considered a singular bloc of voters. For example:

    - Cuban-Americans have favored the GOP much more than the average Hispanic voters, although younger ones are voting somewhat more Democrat than their grandparents are. This is part of a wider trend of younger voters being more liberal, but less Democrat. Cuban-Americans going to be an important faction as long as Florida is a swing state.
    - Cuban-Americans aside, there's also something of a divide between first- and second-generation Latinos and third- or fourth-generation Latinos. Immigrants tend to vote Democrat compared to non-immigrants, and Latinos are no exception.
    - Most Hispanics are Roman Catholic, which is a much more Democrat combination than the the rest of America. However, that majority is steadily decreasing due to the rise of nonreligious and evangelical Latinos.
    - About 20 or 25% of Latinos have already been voting Republican.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vladyvid View Post
    This is no choice, and no elections. Whatever the candidates, the US is run by the same establishment. The elections are just a distraction for the people to let them think thay they have a voice, which is not true at all. Its all just manipulation of the society and playing one side against the other. Let the people be divided and busy fighting amongs themselves.

    Why do you even vote people? Cant you see your votes mean nothing? I voted once in my life, when i was 18 and naive, later i understood that my voice counts for nothing because its the system that is rigged against the people. If nobody voted, this whole system would fall apart, so i dont vote.
    I vote because one vote doesn't amount for much, but zero votes is the only thing that counts for less.

    If I do not help someone get into office, then they will not owe me anything and will use their influence to help the people who actually got that person their position. Politicians do not care about the opinions of the people who do not keep them in office. If they campaigned to satisfy non-voters, they would lose to the candidates who campaigned to satisfy voters. Money can get you far in politics, true, but since you can't bribe voters, on election day a vote decides the winners more than a billion dollars. Other than donating, do you know what rich people also do? They vote.

    Politicians, especially presidents, are mostly defined by the people they surround themselves with and not their own personal knowledge of issues. They are just so many issues for politicians to decide on that they have to delegate. The speechwriters, the analysts, and consultants feeding politicians information is what drives their policy-making. Republicans and Democrats clearly surround themselves with different people, which means that they have fundamentally different priorities. If you're complaint is that the changes aren't big enough, I'd like to suggest that small steps in the direction you want are how big changes are slowly made. Running long jumps go much further than standing ones.
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    How many guns did Obama take away BW? I assume you have guns? "Taking all guns away" is just a trope used by the Republican party to scare and distract you. While you guys are only focused on your guns, the GOP has been causing your wages to stagnate while funneling the nation's wealth to billionaires, defunding education, and stripping away laws that prevented them from polluting the air you breathe and the water you drink. And now they want to repeal Obamacare, making healthcare something only for the wealthy, during a pandemic.

    And even worse, they're feeding you an outright lie. The USSC decision in Heller v. D.C. and the lapsing of the Assault Weapons Ban would indicate that, if anything, gun laws loosened under Obama and will likely continue to do so under Biden. The Judiciary seems primed to side with individual owners in any disputes.

    So no, we aren't coming for your guns, and people who tell you that proof of it not happening is the strongest proof it's GOING to!!!!!!!!! are lying to you.



    This is also false. Lots of right-wingers seem to believe that every non-capitalistic economic system is a moochers paradise where everyone sits around and gets free stuff. Ironically, a capitalist republic/democracy is the best place in the world to be a moocher. We actually have things like disability, EBT, unemployment checks and social security that can all be abused by those with no morals. In most non-capitalistic countries your options if you won't/can't work or contribute in any way are 1: Be born rich, 2: Beg, 3: Starve. And in actual communist countries not working has traditionally meant a one-way ticked to a forced labor camp or outright execution.
    I was going to give a detailed response to this, but it occurred to me that, "this guy has drank the entire pitcher of kool-aid".

    I will simply say this. The Democrats have said repeatedly that they are for OPEN BORDERS.

    No more needs to be said than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. W. View Post
    I was going to give a detailed response to this, but it occurred to me that, "this guy has drank the entire pitcher of kool-aid".

    I will simply say this. The Democrats have said repeatedly that they are for OPEN BORDERS.

    No more needs to be said than that.
    For example?
    Fact:Apples taste good, and you can throw them at people if you're being attacked
    Under the patronage of big daddy Elfdude

    A.B.A.P.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacifism View Post
    Not enforcing, enforced. I think it is the progressive's burden to have to keep disavowing their older selves.

    "nooooo she isn't flip-flopping, she realized when it was wrong ,the fact that it was politically convenient and there is no evidence that she really thinks what she did was wrong doesn't matter".
    Its like HRC flip-flopping on her belief that gays and black people are subhuman all over again.
    I just find it amusing how Democrat's can't even find candidates that don't go against their own ideology.
    Also remember how Biden was in the office for half a century pushing legislature that put black people into jail for non-violent offenses?

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    I can't wait to watch the Democrats peacefully burn down Louisville tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. W. View Post
    I was going to give a detailed response to this, but it occurred to me that, "this guy has drank the entire pitcher of kool-aid".

    I will simply say this. The Democrats have said repeatedly that they are for OPEN BORDERS.

    No more needs to be said than that.
    Translation: You know every word I wrote is true but it clashes with what you have been told to believe, and that makes you feel uncomfortable. To avoid feeling this way you repeat the phrases you have been told to repeat as a comforting measure (kool-aid), even when that results in a non sequitur (the open borders lie has nothing to do with anything I wrote).

    In other news, Trump and his cronies are already planning a coup if they lose.


    According to sources in the Republican Party at the state and national levels, the Trump campaign is discussing contingency plans to bypass election results and appoint loyal electors in battleground states where Republicans hold the legislative majority. With a justification based on claims of rampant fraud, Trump would ask state legislators to set aside the popular vote and exercise their power to choose a slate of electors directly. The longer Trump succeeds in keeping the vote count in doubt, the more pressure legislators will feel to act before the safe-harbor deadline expires.
    The Trump-campaign legal adviser I spoke with told me the push to appoint electors would be framed in terms of protecting the people’s will. Once committed to the position that the overtime count has been rigged, the adviser said, state lawmakers will want to judge for themselves what the voters intended.
    “The state legislatures will say, ‘All right, we’ve been given this constitutional power. We don’t think the results of our own state are accurate, so here’s our slate of electors that we think properly reflect the results of our state,’ ” the adviser said. Democrats, he added, have exposed themselves to this stratagem by creating the conditions for a lengthy overtime.
    “If you have this notion,” the adviser said, “that ballots can come in for I don’t know how many days—in some states a week, 10 days—then that onslaught of ballots just gets pushed back and pushed back and pushed back. So pick your poison. Is it worse to have electors named by legislators or to have votes received by Election Day?”

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    Funny how its Democrat supporters who routinely spout about starting civil war if Trump appoints his SCOTUS pick, which is what he has to do as per rules and regulations that Democrats themselves introduced. So much for Republicans planning a coup.

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