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    Default Re: [PROPOSAL] Frivolous Citizen Referals

    I would propose the following changes.
    This might have gained a modicum of support, had you not posed it like you just finished a marathon of 'yes minister.'

    That said, this has merit. Never mind the nay sayers who claim we should not need something like this. We had a frivolous clause for years when far more erudite bodies walked these halls.

    Pro-Curia tip; always hook up with a guy smarter than you [sic] to flesh out a proposal before posting it. At least get it proof read.

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    Default Re: [PROPOSAL] Frivolous Citizen Referals

    had you not posed it like you just finished a marathon of 'yes minister.'
    Not sure what that is but I don't feel like these kinds of personal remarks, bordering on insults, are appropriate for the Curia.

    At least get it proof read.
    The Consul read it over and told me to post it as is. And once again, this kind of comment is not really appropriate for the Curia (or TWC at all for that matter).

    Honestly I don't see a reason for you to have posted here in the first place. If you don't have anything constructive to add, just say "opposed" or don't post at all.
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    Default Re: [PROPOSAL] Frivolous Citizen Referals

    Quote Originally Posted by Halie Satanus View Post
    This might have gained a modicum of support, had you not posed it like you just finished a marathon of 'yes minister.'

    That said, this has merit. Never mind the nay sayers who claim we should not need something like this. We had a frivolous clause for years when far more erudite bodies walked these halls.

    Pro-Curia tip; always hook up with a guy smarter than you [sic] to flesh out a proposal before posting it. At least get it proof read.
    Pro-Curia tip, if you think it has merit, offer merits that are more than "never mind the naysayers, important™ people agreed back in the day", and if it is problematic, offer improvements to the structure; this post, as Akar indicated, offers neither.

    It was a short proposal and I believe it is too reactionary, yet it certainly wasn't a lack of basic proofreading that marks my shrug against it.
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    I think the solution here is obvious. I suggest all in favour of this proposal start referring until either their keyboards give out, or the matter is pressing enough to consider measures.

    That said, opposed
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    Default Re: [PROPOSAL] Frivolous Citizen Referals

    Quote Originally Posted by Akar View Post
    The purpose of the OP is to generate discussion on the issue. And, hopefully, make the necessary changes to the procedure.
    Which I very much support, it's a good base for discussion and a topic that should be discussed. While it might seem reactionary, would it not then be better to have something like this in and thus have it be pro-active for future instances?
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    I sincerely believe that the praefects already have means with which to deal with frivulous complaints; explain to the issuer why their report has been considered inappropriate. In the unlikely case of citizen referrals containing insults or in cases in which a complainant does not listen to reasons and waste the praefects time (unlikely too imo), they also have resources at their disposal (report said insults to moderation or initiate a citizen referral for observing an attitude inappropriate of a citizen).
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    rule change proposal includes a grammatical error -> OPPOSED WITH RIGHTEOUS FURY AND ANGER

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akar View Post
    Not sure what that is but I don't feel like these kinds of personal remarks, bordering on insults, are appropriate for the Curia.
    The Consul read it over and told me to post it as is. And once again, this kind of comment is not really appropriate for the Curia (or TWC at all for that matter).
    Taking part of a sentence out of context to claim it's a 'personal remark bordering on insult,' is a poor habit easily exposed.

    This is the Proth, not actually in the Curia.

    The consul did you a disservice then.

    Honestly I don't see a reason for you to have posted here in the first place. If you don't have anything constructive to add, just say "opposed" or don't post at all.
    Because hastily constructed and poorly written proposals are an annoyance, especially when they were gleamed from something I said in another thread.

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    Default Re: [PROPOSAL] Frivolous Citizen Referals

    Quote Originally Posted by Halie Satanus View Post
    Taking part of a sentence out of context to claim it's a 'personal remark bordering on insult,' is a poor habit easily exposed.

    This is the Proth, not actually in the Curia.
    But the same rules apply here.


    Quote Originally Posted by Halie Satanus View Post
    The consul did you a disservice then.

    Because hastily constructed and poorly written proposals are an annoyance, especially when they were gleamed from something I said in another thread.
    "I've said it. I've done it." That makes me think about another well known citizen
    Seriously, you should take into account that Akar is quite new as a citizen. A bit of leniency wouldn't hurt.
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    I'm very happy to see initiative and drive here, which should be encouraged and given constructive criticism. We're all on the same side, we want a better Curia/TWC
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    Default Re: [PROPOSAL] Frivolous Citizen Referals

    Quote Originally Posted by Lifthrasir View Post
    But the same rules apply here.



    "I've said it. I've done it." That makes me think about another well known citizen
    Seriously, you should take into account that Akar is quite new as a citizen. A bit of leniency wouldn't hurt.
    My original intent was to be both lenient and constructive.

    Perhaps you're right. The Proth does seem to be less robust since it was moved from the Curia main.
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    Quote Originally Posted by King Athelstan View Post
    We're all on the same side, we want a better Curia/TWC
    Yes, we are and perhaps this is something worth thinking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halie Satanus View Post
    My original intent was to be both lenient and constructive.

    Perhaps you're right. The Proth does seem to be less robust since it was moved from the Curia main.
    I'm not sure which part of your post was supposedly constructive but the thread could have done without you derailing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akar View Post
    I'm not sure which part of your post was supposedly constructive but the thread could have done without you derailing it.
    I'm pretty much the only person in the thread that spoke about the merits of the proposal and it's historic veracity..

    Sigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halie Satanus View Post
    I'm pretty much the only person in the thread that spoke about the merits of the proposal and it's historic veracity..

    Sigh.
    I'm sure you meant well, yet the statement of merit was one part 'forget about the naysayers, smarter people did this at one point' (if that wasn't the implication, that's unfortunate) and two parts critical, one of which understandably doesn't make much sense and the other is essentially 'you did it wrong', all without any particular detail. The response to you might have been strong, yet I think it's understandable given the merits you spoke of arguably posed less substance than the statement telling us after the fact you're the only one to speak of the merits.

    If such a vague support is speaking of its merits, then I am the greatest supporter so far implying that there may be a case to it in the sense of a more efficient setup. At least that would lend the idea that the result has something to do with efficiency, rather than appealing to 'well, other people did it once upon a time'. CdeC was 'once upon a time' as well, as were many other things when 'erudite' bodies walked the halls, some of which were great, others poor, and other still not making a difference. Offering merits is more than such vague references. I hope I don't have to be an opponent who does that job to show you what I mean.

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    Default Re: [PROPOSAL] Frivolous Citizen Referals

    This is getting off topic, closed and archived per request
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