And i have the feeling you can't confess, that you simply have misunderstood who appoints the PP. You show exactly that behaviour, for which you critizise VZ.
And i have the feeling you can't confess, that you simply have misunderstood who appoints the PP. You show exactly that behaviour, for which you critizise VZ.
Cause tomorrow is a brand-new day
And tomorrow you'll be on your way
Don't give a damn about what other people say
Because tomorrow is a brand-new day
I'm of the mind the entire tangent was spawned in ill faith to make a nonexistent point by asserting that someone was elected, therefore anything bad they do is on the heads of those electing instead of the people instructing that improper procedure is followed by the elected party and said elected party went along with it in addition to having a bad attitude when that improper procedure was followed and called on.
It's borderline senseless. It's okay to admit something went wrong; there is no need to try and use logical hoops to deflect any sort of guilt from responsible parties that are not being presented as straight up bad people for making the lapses (at least, shouldn't be in my view), and the entire matter would have probably fizzed out if an approach more like z3ns was used + stuck to and VZ actually mustered some care for this instead of someone trying to pull a lawyering game on faulty logic.
I wouldn't suggest even trying to debate with that, as I'm of the mind it is willfully trying to stave off clarity itself on the matter.
Well, best wishes to the curia, be more dialogant, commodus say yes to moderation staff.
The 'spirit of the constitution' is open to interpretation and abuse. That's why we do not stand or fall by the spirit. We do so by the word.
Had VZ responded in a contrite fashion and resigned this could have been resolved quickly. He didn't. So now we have a PP who not only breached the constitution but deemed it unnecessary to acknowledge the breach. That alone makes him unworthy.
The 'he made me do it' has never been and is not now, a defence.
Neither do I, but in this case KA was still active and he could also do it. So I wonder, why didn't VZ notify KA about posting the Consul election threads.
There is also another thing I am curious about. Why didn't Hader resigned in January when he became aware of his military duties that could make him occupied later due to the Corona pandemic.
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Regardless of what he's running for, isn't KA a praefect, thus even less well suited as a next rung to look into than VZ? The censors are the ones who should have been fallen to, and from the looks of it, they were neither the first choices taken nor were they especially active to be chosen.
Having the censors in line at that time I would say is the best hindsight path by far, even if resignation might have been noble if it was more certain he would be gone. But with the uncertainty, seems just having censors online would suffice.
I guess you missed my post.
https://www.twcenter.net/forums/show...1#post15891275
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I don't see how that has any relevance at all, especially from a chain of command perspective. I want to say you're telling me that praefects, not the primus praefect, should be posting the threads in a situation of absence. I don't see that reflected in the quote, but if it's in the constitution somewhere, I could buy that, even if it could slightly pitch KA at the bus (and honestly, if a praefect is capable, I believe the primus should be equally so if the responsibility falls to them).
If not, I'm afraid I'm being slow and need a rephrasing of the point.
are we actually debating this, do people actually care anymore?
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^ Could be more of a 'what an obvious answer, duh' kind of post where what he voted for should be the obvious outcome. Without seeing more of an opinion we can't really say, though.
Perhaps there would be merits to discussing the constitution/curia and its modern viability in another thread, as elements of both seem to be clearly a continuous matter of debate.
VonC failed, closed & archived.
Last edited by Hader; April 06, 2020 at 12:12 PM.