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    Yesterday, a 43-years old German targeted two different hookah lounges in Hanau, Hesse. 11 people died, in total, including the attacker and his mother. The rest of the victims were from immigrant backgrounds (mostly of Turkish origins), as hookah bars are especially popular among people with roots from the Near and the Middle East. The perpetrator, Tobias Rathjen, had a history of violence and mental instability, while he had also endorsed far-right principles and conspiracy theories, including the belief that the world is controlled by a mysterious cabal and that the populations of Western and Central Asia need to be exterminated.

    Given his views and the targets of his shooting spree, it's safe to assume that the goal of Rathjen was to massacre as many "foreigners" as possible, although a possible psychotic breakdown also incited him to commit the massacre. Generally speaking, far-right terrorism shows signs of gradually becoming trendier in America and western Europe. Last year, again in the federal state of Hesse, a moderate conservative politician was murdered by a member of a British and a German Neo-Nazi group, while, in Saxony-Anhalt, an armed antisemite attempted to infiltrate a synagogue and, after failing to gain entrance, showed indiscriminately at random civilians.

    In my opinion, the issue of extremist, right-wing terrorism thankfully remains relatively insignificant, despite the current increase of violence, similarly to what had occurred with Islamist attacks, after ISIL had achieved international notoriety through its brutality in Syria and Iraq. However, similarly to the case of suspicious Wahhabi preachers, the authorities should probably invest on surveillance operations, as a preemptive measure, in order to avoid the propagation of hate-speech and the radicalisation of vulnerable, politically immature and weak-willed individuals.

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    Why and where did he obtain those views?
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    Realistically, in the West antifa terrorist attack or fiscally inept neoliberal politicians causing an economic crash are far bigger and credible threats then "right-wing extremism", which merely exists as a boogeyman to be used by media or Merkel-style autocrats.

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    "Right-wing" extremism is an unfortunate side effect of multi-cultural, nationally nihilistic policies. As the cultural homogeneity and ethical confidence of a society crumbles, all kinds of extremism begins to show up. As the OP pointed out, it is fortunate that this "right-wing" violence is still sporadic in Europe and tends to be unorganized. Left-wing extremism, by contrast, tends to be much more organized and isn't typically carried out by random crazies.

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    This was the third serious terrorist attack in Germany this years. It seems Russian bots that radicalise loosers succeed on causing problems

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Realistically, in the West antifa terrorist attack or fiscally inept neoliberal politicians causing an economic crash are far bigger and credible threats then "right-wing extremism", which merely exists as a boogeyman to be used by media or Merkel-style autocrats.
    Right to the usual "hurrr, but Antifa" argument. How many people have been murdered by Antifa terrorists? We've had quite a few far right terrorists in recent years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdülmecid I View Post
    ... However, similarly to the case of suspicious Wahhabi preachers, the authorities should probably invest on surveillance operations, as a preemptive measure, in order to avoid the propagation of hate-speech and the radicalisation of vulnerable, politically immature and weak-willed individuals.
    Sadly Hanau happened although the police forces had arrested a new formed far right terror group a few days ago:

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    Twelve men who were arrested following police raids on Friday had been planning attacks using semi-automatic weapons on worshippers during prayers in 10 German states, said to have been inspired by those carried out in New Zealand last year, according to a government spokesman.

    Investigators had been following the men for months, monitoring their conversations and online activity, after suspecting them of having formed a terror group.
    They eavesdropped on a meeting in North Rhine-Westphalia earlier this month in which the alleged ringleader, 53-year-old Werner S, outlined the group’s concrete plans for “commandos” to attack Muslims in small communities across the country. Two of the men were elected to acquire weapons, and all members were expected to contribute towards a €50,000 (£42,000) fund to finance the operation.

    German prosecutors spoke of the planned attacks as “mosque massacres” inspired by the attacks on two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, in spring 2019, in which 51 people were killed by a gunman.
    According to the men’s discussions, the attacks were intended to provoke revenge attacks and to evolve into a civil war, authorities said. Four of the arrested men are being treated as suspected terrorists, eight as accomplices, including an administrative police clerk.
    The plot came to light after a police informer managed to infiltrate the group.
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    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...r-plot-arrests

    But i guess, its more difficult to prevent terror attacks from far right lone wolfs.

    Right to the usual "hurrr, but Antifa" argument. How many people have been murdered by Antifa terrorists? We've had quite a few far right terrorists in recent years.
    In fact you can completely ignore this bs from far right supporters.

    Far right terrorists, skinhead gangs and lone wolfs have murdered far more people in Germany than the "evil leftist terror groups" (which? RAF is long dissolved...)

    The far right trail of blood:

    https://www.dw.com/en/right-wing-ter...ine/a-52451976
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    Quote Originally Posted by irontaino View Post
    Right to the usual "hurrr, but Antifa" argument. How many people have been murdered by Antifa terrorists? We've had quite a few far right terrorists in recent years.
    Well these so-called Antifa which belongs to the Left-Wing which are actually fighting in Syria or somewhere else on their so-called Liberation Front. Besides that there enough Left-Wing Politicians in Europe who protect them. Furthermore Germany had a serious past with Left-Wing-Extremism, Antifa is just something like Rookie level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papay View Post
    This was the third serious terrorist attack in Germany this years. It seems Russian bots that radicalise loosers succeed on causing problems
    How can a bot radicalise anyone? Anyway, cool jingoistic propaganda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gromovnik View Post
    How can a bot radicalise anyone? Anyway, cool jingoistic propaganda.

    Less to do with getting radicalized by bots, more to do with getting radicalized by 14 year olds on 4Chan.
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    Anyway, I came here to enjoy the sight of Supreme Gentlemen defending this terrorist. I was not disappointed by that, but the excuses themselves were pretty weak. I feel like the New Zealand guy had much better apologists. This all boils down to "but mom, Antifa!!!", which is far from impressive. Try harder, boys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irontaino View Post
    Less to do with getting radicalized by bots, more to do with getting radicalized by 14 year olds on 4Chan.
    I agree 100%, +rep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdülmecid I View Post
    In my opinion, the issue of extremist, right-wing terrorism thankfully remains relatively insignificant, despite the current increase of violence, similarly to what had occurred with Islamist attacks, after ISIL had achieved international notoriety through its brutality in Syria and Iraq. However, similarly to the case of suspicious Wahhabi preachers, the authorities should probably invest on surveillance operations, as a preemptive measure, in order to avoid the propagation of hate-speech and the radicalisation of vulnerable, politically immature and weak-willed individuals.

    For Germany its rather significant, we`re not as used to Terrorstrikes as other countries and don`t see gun-violence by extreme rights as their constitutional right.
    In res surveillance you`re completly right, but the pendulum is already shifting to use more money and personal for the surveillance of the far-right networks.... the kicking of Maaßen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Georg_Maa%C3%9Fen made it possible to root out some of those networks, as Carmen Sylva has already pointed out.

    Good OP nontheless, have some rep.

    @Heathen Hammer: Do you know the Story of the right-wing policemen in berlin, who used personal and money that were intended for the surveillance of the Attacker of the "2016 Berlin attack" to investigate a left-wing project in Berlin? Thats what happening thanks to your Antifa-craze and your desperate tries to talk down far-right terror.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carmen Sylva View Post
    In fact you can completely ignore this bs from far right supporters.
    Indeed. But let's also not ignore the fact that Pepe the Frog creator wins $15000 settlement against Infowars
    ...by Matt Furie, who is seeking to halt the co-option of his cartoon by the far right...In 2018, Furie succeeded in having images of Pepe removed from the neo-Nazi website the Daily Stormer, after his lawyers filed multiple takedown requests. He has even launched his own Kickstarter campaign, “Save Pepe”, to fund his legal crusade to rescue his creation from the far right.
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    "right-wing extremism"... merely exists as a boogeyman.
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    Ironically, the father of the killer was a local candidate for the Greens:

    Jhesu cryste our redemptour would not let his crysten people to be put into lenger peyne. He hath retrayte & withdrawen hys rodde: as a kind fathyr to hys dere childryn.

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    @Pinarius: he made it barely out of their house, the mother was not fast enough.

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    Has anyone tried sending 'thoughts and prayers' yet? Or is God too busy giving AIDS to babies to care?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLeft View Post
    Has anyone tried sending 'thoughts and prayers' yet? Or is God too busy giving AIDS to babies to care?
    Tone deaf, as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ep1c_fail View Post
    Tone deaf, as usual.
    Agreed, God does seem to be tone deaf.

    I mean, all those 'thoughts and prayers' completely ignored! Makes you wonder why you would bother. Perhaps leaving the job of preventing mass shootings to an intangible deity isn't such a good idea...

    Perhaps maybe our lawmakers could be given an opportunity to rectify the situation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLeft View Post
    Agreed, God does seem to be tone deaf.

    I mean, all those 'thoughts and prayers' completely ignored! Makes you wonder why you would bother. Perhaps leaving the job of preventing mass shootings to an intangible deity isn't such a good idea...

    Perhaps maybe our lawmakers could be given an opportunity to rectify the situation?
    Perhaps you could forward your smarmy comments to the vigil visitors or the families of the victims, many of whom are religious? After all, given your reputation for compassion, I'm sure they'll be receptive to your ontological lectures.

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