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    I see. Are you sure it’s a by-product and not an end goal? Some people seem to think diversity is a great thing and want immigration to get it, and anyone who disagrees is racist.

    If a society is not very ‘diverse’, should they be ‘committed’ to ‘diversity’?
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    The only people legitimately “importing” diversity in America, are employers. I wouldn’t be averse to fining the employers so long as the workers do not get punished or apprehended.

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    What is this discussion about?

    Blaming the victims for getting killed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aexodus View Post
    I see. Are you sure it’s a by-product and not an end goal?


    What a bizarre question. Diversity is a natural and successful status for human populations. Germany for example did not begin life as a state with an autocthonous population of blonde blue eyed siblings singing the Horst Wessel song, it has always been diverse. Preserving the right to diversity from murderous racist scum is a proper role for a modern state, and any ethical person.

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    Some people seem to think diversity is a great thing and want immigration to get it, and anyone who disagrees is racist.


    Once again your cart is in front of your horse. Racists hate people from dissimilar ethnic/cultural/ other ill defined categories. Anyone who is not like them is killed. For example Hitler murdered a lot of people, especially Ukrainians, Jews and Germans. Yes he killed a lot of Germans, aren't you curious why racists seem to end up as suicides so often? Its like racism is a stupid self destructive failed ideology.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aexodus View Post
    If a society is not very ‘diverse’, should they be ‘committed’ to ‘diversity’?
    What a strange use of parentheses, its like you don't know what you're saying or how to say it.

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    What is this discussion about?

    Blaming the victims for getting killed?
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    What a bizarre question. Diversity is a natural and successful status for human populations. Germany for example did not begin life as a state with an autocthonous population of blonde blue eyed siblings singing the Horst Wessel song, it has always been diverse. Preserving the right to diversity from murderous racist scum is a proper role for a modern state, and any ethical person.



    Once again your cart is in front of your horse. Racists hate people from dissimilar ethnic/cultural/ other ill defined categories. Anyone who is not like them is killed. For example Hitler murdered a lot of people, especially Ukrainians, Jews and Germans. Yes he killed a lot of Germans, aren't you curious why racists seem to end up as suicides so often? Its like racism is a stupid self destructive failed ideology.
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    What a strange use of parentheses, its like you don't know what you're saying or how to say it.

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    Exactly.

    Look on the history of my hometown Neuwied for example.

    "Founded by Count Frederick of Wied in 1653 as residence of the Lower County of Wied, Neuwied was located near the village of Langendorf, destroyed during the Thirty Years' War (1618–1648). It grew rapidly due to its religious tolerance. Among those who sought refuge here was a colony of Moravian Brethren. ..."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuwied#Politics

    Because of its tolerance and diversity Neuwied attracted people like David Roentgen:

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    David Roentgen[1] (1743 in Herrnhaag – February 12, 1807), was a famous German cabinetmaker of the eighteenth century, famed throughout Europe for his marquetry and his secret drawers and mechanical fittings. His work embraces the late Rococo and the Neoclassical styles.
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    Chronology

    In 1753 his father Abraham Roentgen, who had trained in London in the workshop of William Gomm, migrated to the Moravian settlement at Neuwied, near Coblenz, where he established a furniture factory. David learned his trade in his father's workshop, inherited the paternal business in 1772, and entered into partnership with the clockmaker Kintzing. By that time, the name of the firm was well known, even in France. Oddly he is remembered in France as one of the foreign cabinetmakers and workers in marquetry who, like Jean-François Oeben and Jean Henri Riesener, achieved distinction during the closing years of the Ancien Régime. Since Paris was the style center of Europe, he opened a show-room, but his furniture was made in Neuwied. The engraver Willerters recorded his appearance in Paris, initially on August 30, 1774, that M. Rontgen, celebre ébéniste, établi à Nieuwied, peintre de Coblenz, m'est venu voir, en m'apportant une lettre de recommandation de M. Zick, peintre à Coblenz ... Comme M. Rontgen connaissait personne à Paris, je lui fus utile en lui enseignant quelques sculpteurs et dessinateurs dont il avait besoin.
    Roentgen was first and foremost an astute man of business. His outlet did not prosper as expected. The powerful trade corporation of the maîtres ébénistes disputed his right to sell in Paris furniture of foreign manufacture. In 1780 he resolved this restriction by inventing new style of marquetry, which attracted a good deal of attention. Instead of representing light and shade by burning, smoking or engraving the pieces of veneer, DR arranged intricate patterns of wood inlay to create the impression of pietra dura. His great rivals admitted him to their exclusive guild.
    He appears to have curried considerable favor with the queen, Marie Antoinette, whose first language was also German. On several of his journeys throughout Europe, she charged him to deliver her presents and dolls dressed in the latest Paris fashions. They were intended to serve as patterns for the dressmakers to her mother and her sisters.
    Because of his proficiency in constructing furniture with amusing mechanical features, the queen appointed Roentgen ébéniste-mechanicien. Popular in the late eighteenth century, ladies' dressing tables were designed to appear as a desk, drawing table or other less personal furniture, to conceal toiletries. A spring trigger, hidden catch or button revealed its dual purpose.
    David mastered this style, dubbed Harlequin after the theatrical character, whatever the reference to archetype implied. His mechanical inventiveness outshone more accomplished cabinetry. The extent of his fame is shown by Goethe mention of him in Wilhelm Meister. The box inhabited by the fairy during her travels with her mortal lover is compared to Roentgen's desk in which a single pull released many springs, latches, hidden drawers, secret compartments and mechanical devices. Before he lost his head, Louis XVI paid him 80,000 livres for such a desk. Outwardly it looked like a commode. Marquetry panels showed Minerva, Roman goddess of arts, hanging the portrait of Marie Antoinette on a column engraved with her name. Above the riot of architectural details was a musical clock (the work of the partner Peter Kinzing), topped by a cupola representing Parnassus, party peak. The interior of this monumental effort, 11 ft (3.4 m) high, was a marvel of mechanical precision. It disappeared during the First Empire under Napoleon.
    Roentgen did not confine his attentions to Paris, or even to France. He traveled about Europe accompanied by furniture vans of his factory's products. Undoubtedly his aptitude as a commercial traveler was remarkable. He had shops in Berlin and Saint Petersburg. On one of his visits to Russia, he sold to the Empress Catherine furniture invoiced at 20,000 roubles. She added 5000 roubles and a personal present, a gold snuff-box, for quick fulfillment of an unexpected request. When news arrived of the Russian navy's victory over the Turks at Cheshme, DR ingeniously mounted a clock commemorating the date and time onto the Czarina's personal secretaire desk. This suite of furniture is believed to be in the Palace of the Hermitage, with vaults of so much remarkable art uncatalogued outside Russia. To the protection of the queen of France and the empress of Russia, David added the king in Prussia, Frederick William II, who in 1792 made him a Commerzienrat, commercial agent for the Lower Rhine district. The French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars eclipsed Roentgen's star as many other great cabinetmakers of the period. In 1793 the Revolutionary government, declaring him an émigré, seized the contents of his showrooms, inventory and personal belongings. After that, he did no further business in Paris. Five years later, the French invasion of Germany, Prussia and Austria led to the closing of his factory in Neuwied. He died half ruined at Wiesbaden on 12 February 1807.
    The most complete collection of his work in private hands remains that of the ducal house of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, exhibited at Callenberg Castle in Coburg, north Bavaria. In 2012 Wolfam Koepp of the Metropolitan Museum of Art discovered a particular type of Roentgen table with removable legs for easier transport. Was this table the earliest form of flatpack?[2] A team from the Victoria and Albert Museum investigated further and confirmed Koepp's process and conclusions in March 2014, shedding new light on the inventor of flat-pack / ready-to-assemble furniture. Until then, Gillis Lundgren held that title from 1951 for IKEA. Its blame has now been traced back 200 years before the pretender. David Roentgen not only mastered intrigue but flat-pack home assembly without an allen key.
    Assessment

    According to his biography in the Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition of 1911, Roentgen was not a great cabinetmaker: "His forms were often clumsy, ungraceful, and commonplace; his furniture lacked the artistry of the French and the English cabinetmakers of the great period which came to an end about 1790. His bronzes were poor in design and coarse in execution; his work, in short, is tainted by commercialism. As an inlayer, however, he holds a position of high distinction. His marquetry is bolder and more vigorous than that of Riesener, who in other respects soared far above him. As an adroit devisor of mechanism he fully earned a reputation which former generations rated more highly than the modern critic, with his facilities for comparison, is prepared to accept. On the mechanical side he produced, with the help of Kintzing, many long-cased and other clocks with ingenious indicating and registering apparatus. Roentgen delighted in architectural forms, and his marquetry more often than not represents those scenes from classical mythology which were the dear delight of the 18th century."[3] He is well represented at the V&A Museum in London, and other collections.

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    The economical foundation for the Rise of Brandenburg was also set by the elector princes with their religious tolerance for the french Hugenottes and austrian "Exulants".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carmen Sylva View Post
    Exactly.

    Look on the history of my hometown Neuwied for example.
    ...
    The economical foundation for the Rise of Brandenburg was also set by the elector princes with their religious tolerance for the french Hugenottes and austrian "Exulants".
    Yeah, but our Supreme Gentlemen have someone else in mind. Because they're totally not racist, I swear. They're just, you know, concerned. Wink wink, nudge nudge...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethrezen View Post
    What is this discussion about?

    Blaming the victims for getting killed?
    Pretty much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Sounds like a pointless statement, given the context of the discussion. The problem is Merkel and her government.
    So Dr. Merkel and her government forced the Shooter of Hanau and the Halle-Boy to shoot german Citizens, whose only mistake was to look different?
    We all know the Answer, but I want you to say it.


    @Cyclops: I like the Battle Royal Idea, we can even make it international.
    @Carmen Sylva: Any Person that talks of "imported" diversity has surely never visited Germany. The Persons in the next village are more alien to me (they even speak different!) than the muslim in my neighbourhood.

    But hey, lets keep Britons, Americans and god knows who telling us what a good German looks like and why we have to be afraid of brown skinned people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aexodus View Post
    I see. Are you sure it’s a by-product and not an end goal? Some people seem to think diversity is a great thing and want immigration to get it, and anyone who disagrees is racist.

    If a society is not very ‘diverse’, should they be ‘committed’ to ‘diversity’?
    There are various policies and situations that might lead to diversity. A colonial past, shortage of labour, the conviction it's right to extend asylum to refugees, a steep wealth gradient .... The "celebrating of diversity" is not one of them. It's a coping mechanism. It's the counterpart of opting for repressive measures.
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    diversity is all great and amazing... until you have to live in it

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    i think i will pass thank you very much

    - You said they commit what percent ?

    - Uh, half.

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    How are you Anglos always so fixed on "diversity", be it good or be it bad?

    We "Germans" have always been a divers bunch of people and went good with it.
    The last time when German Citizen (born in Germany, went to school in germany, worked in Germany, paying German Taxes) got killed because they had the wrong religion or Look is 75 Years in the past. Go figure.

    What did those people in Hanau lack in your Eyes, to be prober Germans? Bierbauch? Bretzeln?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muizer View Post
    Your root cause is only a root cause if you assume people are incorrigible s, excusing them like you'd excuse wild animals for following their instincts.
    I'm sorry that reality is painfully contradicting to utopian set of ideas that "woke" crowd follows.
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    We understand your insinuations perfectly and I'm pleased to see that many Forum members are sufficiently disgusted with them.
    Still missing the point, or most likely pretending to miss it to virtue signal. Sad.
    I didn't mention race, you did.
    Um:
    There's nothing good or bad about it. Limiting immigration on the basis of ethnicity is nothing short of racism or xenophobia and promoting such discourse does nothing for actual issues. Statements that can be boiled down to, "We need to limit immigration because differences between cultures may results in social conflict" is just bowing down to racism.
    Now I know that denying what was said on a previous page is a common tactic by the "woke" crowd on this forum, but..
    Why making a painfully obvious attempt at lying when you spoke about race in your post on the same page?
    Quote Originally Posted by Morifea View Post
    So Dr. Merkel and her government forced the Shooter of Hanau and the Halle-Boy to shoot german Citizens, whose only mistake was to look different?
    We all know the Answer, but I want you to say it.
    Doesn't have anything to do with my post, so I'm not sure what are you talking about. Are bear maulings bad? Yes. Is the guy an idiot for kicking a bear in the balls? Yes.
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    Who kicked a bear in the balls?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dekhatres View Post
    diversity is all great and amazing... until you have to live in it

    https://twitter.com/ImHardcory/statu...95835132973063

    i think i will pass thank you very much

    If crime was determined by diversity then West Virginia would be a paradise. Statistics don't match up though.

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    If crime was determined by diversity then West Virginia would be a paradise. Statistics don't match up though.
    Is that the general trend globally?

    Regardless It doesn't take a genius to realize that multicultural societies, tend to not be as social cohesive, unfortunately. But this is true all over the world.

    It is just sad this sort of conflicts tend to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight of Heaven View Post
    Is that the general trend globally?

    Regardless It doesn't take a genius to realize that multicultural societies, tend to not be as social cohesive, unfortunately. But this is true all over the world.

    It is just sad this sort of conflicts tend to happen.
    The point is that diversity isn't a huge determining factor in social cohesion in the first place. It really doesn't help that you can measure social cohesion in different ways and end up with different answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethrezen View Post
    What is this discussion about?

    Blaming the victims for getting killed?
    Pretty much. In the eyes of our far-right posters, it's their fault for not being white. The real culprit is Merkel, she let non-Aryans enter the Fatherland and the poor gunman was imply reacting to the invasion of the Reich.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight of Heaven View Post
    It is just sad this sort of conflicts tend to happen.
    Because... (wait for it)... racists, xenophobes, or idiots manipulated by the demagogue on duty. Have you heard about the latest racist terrorist attack?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    I'm sorry that reality is painfully contradicting to utopian set of ideas that "woke" crowd follows.
    Thanks, but what does that make you? Are you the cynic who himself has no problem with diversity at all, but realises with great sadness that his fellow man can't cope with it? Or are you yourself one of those who cannot cope with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Still missing the point, or most likely pretending to miss it to virtue signal. Sad.
    Still hiding your racism behind a veil of pseudo intellectualism.

    Um:

    Now I know that denying what was said on a previous page is a common tactic by the "woke" crowd on this forum, but..
    Why making a painfully obvious attempt at lying when you spoke about race in your post on the same page?
    Apparently Heathen didn't know that ethnicity =/= race. My mistake.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dekhatres View Post
    diversity is all great and amazing... until you have to live in it

    i think i will pass thank you very much
    Are you really going to argue that diversity will lead to a low quality of life?

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