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    The clandestine support has ended, now it's just in the open. The U.S. is still arming, training and supporting the rebels with airstrikes, sooooooooooo...
    CIA stopped supporting anti-Assad groups in Syria because of Trump. US relations with Saudis have been like that since 1940s. Blaming Trump for cluster in Middle East that was created by 5 past presidencies before him is the very definition of TDS.

    The rest of your post doesn't really address anything that I said, so replying to it is pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ep1c_fail View Post
    These caricatures of "modern American conservatism" and Republican voters are themselves clear examples of motive attribution asymmetry, actor-observer asymmetry and group/partisan bias (that's some proper psychological research for you to look at). Your persistent diatribes about conservatives are largely consistent with what Iyengard and Westwood found in their study on group polarization:
    Moral relativist nonsense. Right and wrong are not just matters of opinion. When one side says certain people are not really people and shouldn't have rights, or calls for murdering them all, that side is in the wrong.


    I'm quite sure (almost certain, in fact) that 19th century conservative and/or Christian reformers would be outraged by contemporary liberalism (and probably Republicanism too).
    Yes, we even let women and blacks vote now. They'd be horrified.

    America has also often not done what progressives wanted. Building a stable and prosperous society is contingent on striking a balance between conservation and progress not drawing absolutist conclusions about those on the other side of the aisle.
    Nonsense. Liberal/progressive ideas (granting rights to everyone so everyone has a stake in society) are objectively better and produce a more just society than conservative ideas (hoard rights for the rich, use fear and violence to control everyone else).

    You seem to forget that eugenics and race realist theories were once progressive ideas supported by liberals like Woodrow Wilson just like Marxism/Trotskyism was once (and often still is) lauded among those on the left.
    As if you don't know the two parties for all intents and purposes switched ideologies mid-century. Being dishonest won't change that fact that the Republicans are the conservative party today. And the "Marxism! Booga booga!" scare tactics are getting old and losing their effect. Maybe you on the right can still be scared into obedience by someone whispering "Marx" into your ear, but we on the left aren't so easily controlled.

    This is yet another clear instance of an extreme evaluation derived from partisan bias. No further comment is required.
    Translation, you're taking your ball and going home.

    You might want to look up Iran's open patronage of Hamas. Tehran couldn't care less about Islamic sectarianism if ignoring it means they can assist in murdering Israeli Jews or undermining US foreign policy.
    Maybe maybe not. Another reason that preventing them from having nuclear weapons was one of Obama's great accomplishments. But your side would rather have a nuclear Iran than admit "Black man right."

    I see we're back to the asymmetrical motive attributions again. Not wanting the US to wage a regime change war in Syria which risked a conflict with Russia has, as most progressives agree, nothing to do with "adoring Assad's brutality" or supporting Iran's interference in the Levant. As you'll recall, it was the liberal (not conservative) press which was screaming for an intervention in Syria 2017/18 - hence why the only periods in which Trump received moderate favorability in the press coincided with his strikes against the Assad regime.
    Wrong again. See, we liberals generally think murdering hundreds of thousands of people is a bad thing, because we see the lives of others as having value. We can look at another person suffering and think how we would feel if that were us. We call this liberal emotion "empathy".

    Had Assad not engaged in the wholesale slaughter and brutalization of his own people (mass rapes of children are a big favorite of his), he could do whatever he wants in his own country. But your side, worried solely about pleasing Putin, couldn't care less about human suffering.

    No. The truth is that Obama accepted Iran's extortion (no wonder it was agreed to by Russia and China) as a way of kicking the can down the road and securing a rhetorical victory. The JCPoA did nothing to deter Tehran's ambitions or opposition to US objectives in the Mid East, it simply appeased the regime temporarily. If Iran wants to "normalize its relations" it should desist from its anti-Semitic policies (both foreign and domestic) and stop trying to blackmail the international community with the threat of nuclearization.
    So we're back to outright lies. Guess what, Russia and China don't want a distinctly unstable regime run by religious fanatics having nukes aimed at them anymore than we do. Black man bad, ect.

    This is yet another clear instance of an extreme evaluation derived from partisan bias. No further comment is required.
    Yes, take your ball and go home.

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    Moral relativist nonsense. Right and wrong are not just matters of opinion. When one side says certain people are not really people and shouldn't have rights, or calls for murdering them all, that side is in the wrong.
    Except none of that is part of GOP policy or ideas. The only party fielding front-runners with racial ideas are Democrats.
    Yes, we even let women and blacks vote now. They'd be horrified.
    Much against the wishes of contemporary Democrats...
    As if you don't know the two parties for all intents and purposes switched ideologies mid-century.
    They realized that selling minorities welfare for votes is more pragmatic. Using minorities while also damaging them does not make you a better person.
    See, we liberals generally think murdering hundreds of thousands of people is a bad thing, because we see the lives of others as having value.
    Unless they vote against you or a people from a foreign country that just ditched petrodollar.
    Had Assad not engaged in the wholesale slaughter and brutalization of his own people (mass rapes of children are a big favorite of his)
    Repeating ISIS/Saudi propaganda, very progressive!
    Liberal/progressive ideas (granting rights to everyone so everyone has a stake in society)
    Funny, given how Democrat platform has taking rights away, gun rights in particular.
    Democrats are not real liberals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    CIA stopped supporting anti-Assad groups in Syria because of Trump. US relations with Saudis have been like that since 1940s. Blaming Trump for cluster in Middle East that was created by 5 past presidencies before him is the very definition of TDS.
    Didn't mention the Saudis in that last post. The U.S. is still arming and training anti-Assad rebels (especially Kurdish groups)

    The rest of your post doesn't really address anything that I said, so replying to it is pointless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Except none of that is part of GOP policy or ideas. The only party fielding front-runners with racial ideas are Democrats.
    It's Republicans that are committing election fraud and voter suppression.

    Much against the wishes of contemporary Democrats...
    Who are now Republicans

    They realized that selling minorities welfare for votes is more pragmatic. Using minorities while also damaging them does not make you a better person.
    You keep making this claim, and as usual, you don't offer the slightest shred of proof. I guess the former Confederacy/Jim Crow South is now solidly Republican just because they decided to stop being the most ass backward place in the country...oh wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irontaino View Post
    Didn't mention the Saudis in that last post. The U.S. is still arming and training anti-Assad rebels (especially Kurdish groups)
    Like I said, CIA was banned from aiding terrorist groups. By Trump. He did de-escalate American involvement in Syria, although I will admit that he should end it overall. But again, this is the mess Trump inherited from his predecessors. So far he hasn't started any conflicts, unlike them.
    It's Republicans that are committing election fraud and voter suppression.
    Yeah, and they also put babies in cages and drink blood of minorities to stay young.
    Who are now Republicans
    Ah yes, I forgot that Hillary "black people are predators" Clinton run as Republican.
    You keep making this claim, and as usual, you don't offer the slightest shred of proof. I guess the former Confederacy/Jim Crow South is now solidly Republican just because they decided to stop being the most ass backward place in the country...oh wait.
    The ironic part in your post is that KKK/Confederacy/Jim Crow crowd was Democrat through and through. The sheer scale of misinformation in your narrative is impressing. Like the famous socialist propagandist Goebbels said, big lies will be believed if repeated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post

    The ironic part in your post is that KKK/Confederacy/Jim Crow crowd was Democrat through and through. The sheer scale of misinformation in your narrative is impressing.
    You know perfectly well that the parties switched ideologies round the time of the southern strategy. If your positions had any merit you wouldn't need to be dishonest.

    Like the famous socialist propagandist Goebbels said, big lies will be believed if repeated.
    If the Nazi's were socialists, does that mean the Islamic Republic of Iran is run by Republicans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Like I said, CIA was banned from aiding terrorist groups. By Trump. He did de-escalate American involvement in Syria, although I will admit that he should end it overall. But again, this is the mess Trump inherited from his predecessors. So far he hasn't started any conflicts, unlike them.
    He hasn't really de-escalated anything. He just moved the troops to the oil fields.

    Yeah, and they also put babies in cages and drink blood of minorities to stay young.
    https://www.apmreports.org/story/201...-2020-election
    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wo...-about-alabama
    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...sional-hearing

    Ah yes, I forgot that Hillary "black people are predators" Clinton run as Republican.
    Yet for some reason when Trump called Mexicans rapists and criminals, he's not a racist.

    The ironic part in your post is that KKK/Confederacy/Jim Crow crowd was Democrat through and through.
    Who did the KKK endorse in 2016? Why is it that the deeply conservative south is now Republican? Why did Republicans choose Confederate statues as their hill to die on? The parties switched ideologies. You yourself have acknowledged this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    They realized that selling minorities welfare for votes is more pragmatic. Using minorities while also damaging them does not make you a better person.
    This is the 2nd thread I've asked you to prove this claim (you ran away the 1st time).

    The sheer scale of misinformation in your narrative is impressing. Like the famous socialist propagandist Goebbels said, big lies will be believed if repeated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irontaino View Post
    He hasn't really de-escalated anything. He just moved the troops to the oil fields.
    Again, the mess that he inherited. Also CIA is now banned from aiding terrorists like it did under Obama. Sounds like de-escalation to me.
    So... people don't register or don't acquire IDs and its Republicans fault?
    Yet for some reason when Trump called Mexicans rapists and criminals, he's not a racist.
    He called illegal immigrants that. Illegal immigrant is not a race.
    Who did the KKK endorse in 2016? Why is it that the deeply conservative south is now Republican? Why did Republicans choose Confederate statues as their hill to die on? The parties switched ideologies. You yourself have acknowledged this.
    KKK donated to a certain Democratic candidate (who called organization's leader as her "friend and mentor"). Republicans defending statues and other artifacts of historical significance from ISIS-style vandalism isn't really the same as forcing black people to use different washrooms like Democrats did.
    This is the 2nd thread I've asked you to prove this claim (you ran away the 1st time).
    Again, you haven't made any arguments to "run away" from, so we can write of this remark as just another instance of you projecting. Also what exactly do you want me to prove? That Democrats have welfare as part of their policy? Or that abysmal conditions of certain ethnic groups in US have been established in deep blue areas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Again, the mess that he inherited. Also CIA is now banned from aiding terrorists like it did under Obama. Sounds like de-escalation to me.
    Yeah, no. He's only escalated military engagements abroad.

    So... people don't register or don't acquire IDs and its Republicans fault?
    It's Republican's fault hen they set I.D. laws, then shut down DMVs in black communities, or when it blocks those who primarily use P.O. boxes (for instance, people on the rez) or decide out of the blue that tribal IDs are no longer valid.

    He called illegal immigrants that. Illegal immigrant is not a race.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/dona...s-polls-2016-1
    "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best; they're not sending you," Trump said. "They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
    No mention of illegals there.

    KKK donated to a certain Democratic candidate
    Surely, even you're capable of backing this claim up.

    (who called organization's leader as her "friend and mentor").

    You mean that same friend and mentor who turned around and denounced racism
    ?

    Republicans defending statues and other artifacts of historical significance from ISIS-style vandalism
    You really have a strange way of saying those statues are voted to be taken down by their municipalities. The neo-Nazis and other white nationalists/supremacists who marched on Charlottesville sure as hell didn't call themselves Unite the Left.

    isn't really the same as forcing black people to use different washrooms like Democrats did.
    You yourself have conceded that Republicans and Democrats switched platforms. The Dixiecrats of the 60s are today's Republicans.

    Again, you haven't made any arguments to "run away" from, so we can write of this remark as just another instance of you projecting. Also what exactly do you want me to prove?
    Your claim:

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    They realized that selling minorities welfare for votes is more pragmatic. Using minorities while also damaging them does not make you a better person.
    Care to prove that Democrats switch platforms for that reason?

    That Democrats have welfare as part of their policy? Or that abysmal conditions of certain ethnic groups in US have been established in deep blue areas?
    Must be why red states take in the most welfare, and are also the poorest.
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    Default Re: Republicans block three election security bills because they would prevent them from cheating

    How are people upset about the removal of racist monuments erected half a century or more after the events to specifically scare members of the black community? If you're going to dog whistle any louder you may as well just throw the dog at people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coughdrop addict View Post
    Moral relativist nonsense. Right and wrong are not just matters of opinion. When one side says certain people are not really people and shouldn't have rights, or calls for murdering them all, that side is in the wrong.
    You're on the side of everyone, yes? (=) is a cult. Members of the cult must attack anything that dares say people are different enough to warrant nationalism, and separate laws governing themselves for their own uniqueness. America is going to return to upholding Western European tradition because clearly it is unable to appease the cult.

    How many millions have died since the cult began spreading militantly in Europe in that century of revolution against God, King, and Country?
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    Quote Originally Posted by irontaino View Post
    Nothing of scale of Obama bombing the crap out of Libya for ditching petrodollar or providing assistance to theocratic beheaders in both Libya and Syria. Obama was a lesser evil from McCain, but he was still a warmongering piece of shite.
    It's Republican's fault hen they set I.D. laws, then shut down DMVs in black communities, or when it blocks those who primarily use P.O. boxes (for instance, people on the rez) or decide out of the blue that tribal IDs are no longer valid.
    Pretty much every country requires some form of ID to participate in elections.
    It was in the context of illegal immigration topic, as per the article you posted.
    Surely, even you're capable of backing this claim up.
    Surely, even you are capable with acknowledging reality:
    https://www.usnews.com/news/articles...-for-president
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...clinton-campa/

    "I have completely reformed!" Sorry dude, this would only work for Alex DeLarge.
    Also Hillary herself makes your average KKK dude sound like a diversity activist. "Super-preadtors", remember that one? Or are you going to make another attempt at condescending remark and demand proof for objective fact again?
    You really have a strange way of saying those statues are voted to be taken down by their municipalities. The neo-Nazis and other white nationalists/supremacists who marched on Charlottesville sure as hell didn't call themselves Unite the Left.
    I don't think being on the same side of history as ISIS and Taliban is a good thing, even if you get a municipality to agree with you.
    You yourself have conceded that Republicans and Democrats switched platforms. The Dixiecrats of the 60s are today's Republicans.
    In real life Republicans were never the "white man's party".
    They went from border-line libertarianism to neoconservatism, but thankfully GOP is recovering from this mistake. Democrats switched from being American NSDAP to being American CPSU.
    Your claim:



    Care to prove that Democrats switch platforms for that reason?
    Now are you asking us to prove to you that Lyndon Johnson happened?
    Doesn't address what I said.
    Quote Originally Posted by Akar View Post
    How are people upset about the removal of racist monuments erected half a century or more after the events to specifically scare members of the black community? If you're going to dog whistle any louder you may as well just throw the dog at people.
    racist monuments

    Holy crap guys, I was walking down the street and a statue called me a racist slur!
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    If they are for voter security, then they would should also support voter ID laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacCarthy View Post
    If they are for voter security, then they would should also support voter ID laws.
    I'll just leave this here for others to read.

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    Default Re: Republicans block three election security bills because they would prevent them from cheating

    The most important part of voter security is ensuring that there are either paper ballots or at least a 100% verifiable paper trail. Time and time again history has shown that the best and most accurate way to conduct an election is with a paper trail.

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    Just not a citizenship paper trail?



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    Having people stand in line to vote with their IDs is archaic.

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    I don't know what a "citizenship paper trail" is or what it has to do with electoral security.
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    It means a paper trail which can prove that each voter is a citizen.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Love Mountain View Post
    Having people stand in line to vote with their IDs is archaic.
    But it works. Unlike the Ds' Iowa app.



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