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    Quote Originally Posted by conon394 View Post
    Well yes. But my point was that the CDC numbers for the US for influenza are statistically modeled and take into account missed diagnoses and all potential mortality. Who knows how good the data out of China is? The fact is even if the data from China is solid so far its not a new virus we should want to allow to become endemic if we can avoid it. Its not the zombie apocalypse/1918 (well unless China is not fessing up) but its something to give a crap about contra Stario.
    I agree. The model in the study I posted earlier takes into account the span of time between confirmation of infection and death, and puts 2019-nCoV's fatality rate at 6.5%. Again with the caveat that it's based on the data coming out of China, which makes any conclusion tentative.
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    I agree. The model in the study I posted earlier takes into account the span of time between confirmation of infection and death, and puts 2019-nCoV's fatality rate at 6.5%. Again with the caveat that it's based on the data coming out of China, which makes any conclusion tentative.
    Just had beers with my wife's collaborators (all PhD's genetics or plant virology) and lab techs from the USDA and none of them were keen on the lag. Mind most of them had also worked in humans and been bench jockeys in the past and none of them thought the lag China was reporting made sense in terms how quickly you can assay a pathogen with all the stops pulled out. Not trying to be paranoid but at the same time one suspects the oligarchy (or party) has a vested interest in talking down the severity.
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    An article by an expat describing life in Wuhan before the virus. When one considers that this guy was living in one of the better parts of the city, one has to conclude that the numbers given by the Chinese aren't accurate:

    https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...revisited.html

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    I'm kinda becoming concerned with situation here in Canada. The moron that we have for Prime Minister is more concerned with pontificating about evils of racism, instead of addressing the problem of the virus itself. At the same time nothing is being done to prevent it from spreading.

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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-arr...111252311.html

    So 8 Chinese doctors observed what is the current coronavirus and thought it was a re-emergence of SARS. Chinese caught wind and arrested them for "spreading rumors." This was earlier in the outbreak.

    Congrats China. Your own authoritarian system is screwing you over.
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    Woe betide those who contradict the Party or Dear Leader.

    China has at least responded better than last time, but there’s still lessons to learn.
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    It's probably important to know under who's orders they were arrested under. From what I understand, the central government hasn't been happy with the way local authorities have handled the crisis. I can't imagine they are happy about "wrongful arrests" either, it doesn't make them look good abroad or at home. What's important is how this effort is ultimately handled, and all governments are capable of mis-steps regardless of what their government system is. So long as the crisis is handled, sins can be forgiven, and authorities can learn from the experience. This won't be the last health crisis in China.

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    As usual with this sort of thing, have your salt shaker ready, but the internet is starting to bubble up some interesting rumors:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/cre...warfare-weapon

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. W. View Post
    As usual with this sort of thing, have your salt shaker ready, but the internet is starting to bubble up some interesting rumors:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/cre...warfare-weapon
    Umm Hoax.

    Dr (JD and PhD - not in any medical field, genetics or biological or virology or epidemiology) Francis Anthony Boyle not in a position do write such law or be in the US the government. His bio is pretty clear on wiki

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franci..._United_States

    Or better yet at the University he works for

    https://law.illinois.edu/faculty-res...francis-boyle/

    He might have in fact had some advisory capacity but almost certainly given the end of his of his official bio in matters of on international law not in any capacity that would suggest expertise on bio weapons.

    However it seems clear the wiki page for Biological Weapons anti terror act is tampered with.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biolog...ote-esquivel-2

    The reference to Dr Boyle that would number [2] in fact leads to a bio of one Adolfo Pérez Esquivel

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolfo...A9rez_Esquivel
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    Apparently a few retards and snake oil salesmen are now promoting chlorine dioxide, a type of bleach as a cure for the coronavirus.
    https://www.politifact.com/facebook-...d-coronavirus/
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...s-coronavirus/
    https://www.technologyreview.com/f/6...isinformation/

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    Apparently a few retards and snake oil salesmen are now promoting chlorine dioxide, a type of bleach as a cure for the coronavirus.
    https://www.politifact.com/facebook-...d-coronavirus/
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...s-coronavirus/
    https://www.technologyreview.com/f/6...isinformation/
    Why not? Drink enough of it and very soon, nothing will trouble you anymore.

    I'd love to see those people publicly consuming their "cure" before being allowed to spread such crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sar1n View Post
    Why not? Drink enough of it and very soon, nothing will trouble you anymore.

    I'd love to see those people publicly consuming their "cure" before being allowed to spread such crap.
    Well the problem is some bleach is useful for a lot of things, like say making the river water in the amazon safe to drink sans other treatment methods. But of course not going to help with an airborne infectious virus. Although I suppose it will help with the wash down of wherever you have been quarantined . The fact you can probably find a bit of text from the CDC or WHO for credible uses of bleach only make the rumor/hoax harder to deal with.
    Last edited by conon394; February 04, 2020 at 12:17 PM.
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    But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.

    Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conon394 View Post
    Umm Hoax.

    Dr (JD and PhD - not in any medical field, genetics or biological or virology or epidemiology) Francis Anthony Boyle not in a position do write such law or be in the US the government. His bio is pretty clear on wiki

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franci..._United_States

    Or better yet at the University he works for

    https://law.illinois.edu/faculty-res...francis-boyle/

    He might have in fact had some advisory capacity but almost certainly given the end of his of his official bio in matters of on international law not in any capacity that would suggest expertise on bio weapons.

    However it seems clear the wiki page for Biological Weapons anti terror act is tampered with.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biolog...ote-esquivel-2

    The reference to Dr Boyle that would number [2] in fact leads to a bio of one Adolfo Pérez Esquivel

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolfo...A9rez_Esquivel
    I expected someone would come back with this and that is the reason I advised caution when reading it. No surprise to me that all the "critical thinkers" out there would ignore the obvious fact that there is some truth and common information there.

    In the Tom Cotton video, Cotton references the same Lancet source that Boyle did and they both said the same thing; that is that the virus did not start in the food market. Cotton is a US Senator speaking on the floor of the Senate. I think it is safe to say that the virus did not originate in the food market as the Chinese claimed.

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    Some possible treatments: Remdesivir and chloroquine effectively inhibit the recently emerged novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in vitro

    Working in a lab doesn't necessarily mean it will work in people. It's my understanding that Remdesivir works against Ebola in vitro, but hasn't been effective as a treatment in humans.

    Nevertheless: Washington Coronavirus Patient Is Recovering After Receiving a Trial of an Experimental Antiviral Drug

    Could be a coincidence (n=1), but I think approval for "compassionate use" implies that he was previously in pretty bad condition.
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    You don't seem to be familiar with how the burden of proof works in when discussing social justice. It's not like science where it lies on the one making the claim. If someone claims to be oppressed, they don't have to prove it.


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    If the Chinese don't start reopening those closed factories inside of two weeks the global supply chain will start to be impacted. If that happens a lot of companies that are heavily invested in globalist policies will start rethinking the wisdom of having factories in China even with the cheap labor that it offers. (the just-in-time global supply system doesn't have much wiggle room)

    With that said, we will know in about two weeks if this thing is truly a global pandemic. The Chinese can't afford to keep those factories closed any longer than that.

    One more thing to note, there has been very little information coming out of the Ugyhur region. Considering that many Muslims in those areas have been put into re-education camps, this fact is somewhat troubling. It is no secret that the Chinese consider the Ugyhurs a problem and would like to get rid of them.
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    https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...st-update-news

    A doctor who was reprimanded by police and ignored by the CCP when he tried to warn others about the virus has died.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B. W. View Post
    If the Chinese don't start reopening those closed factories inside of two weeks the global supply chain will start to be impacted. If that happens a lot of companies that are heavily invested in globalist policies will start rethinking the wisdom of having factories in China even with the cheap labor that it offers. (the just-in-time global supply system doesn't have much wiggle room)
    China's labor isn't the cheapest anymore and hasn't been for a while, but that's far from the only reason why China is the world's factory.

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    Even though China has locked down social media video is leaking out and these images are worrisome to say the least:

    https://conservativechoicecampaign.c...irus-outbreak/

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...tate_pens.html
    Last edited by B. W.; February 08, 2020 at 01:56 PM.

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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-c...154637367.html

    Chinese citizen journalist who reported on the virus in Wuhan is now missing. Just a coincidence right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-c...154637367.html

    Chinese citizen journalist who reported on the virus in Wuhan is now missing. Just a coincidence right?
    Yeah, I read about that. If you look at how those quarantine camps are set up everyone there will be exposed. Doubt if you will hear from him again.

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