Coronavirus outbreak - From China to the World.

[swabian]

https://nypost.com/2020/03/22/florid...aved-his-life/

Here’s a story about a man who used the drug to save his life. Doctors had already told him he was done for and to say bye to his family, so he said it and got a prescription. Now he expects to be released within the next couple days

You've got to be ing kidding me. Is my irony-detector out? People actually listen to this, because the obnoxious orange feels like he's an expert again? Very funny, huh-huh.

[tgoodenow]

This happened before Trump was promoting it, maybe you should read the articles before replying.

[Aexodus]

China shouldn’t be commended for its reaction to the outbreak, when at first it tried to cover it up and punish doctors and journalists.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...st-authorities

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ds-show-report

[Sar1n]

China shouldn’t be commended for its reaction to the outbreak, when at first it tried to cover it up and punish doctors and journalists.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...st-authorities

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ds-show-report

And not just that. I'm afraid I don't have article in English for that yet, but Czech Republic bought 1M quick COVID tests from China, and when the hospital used them, they found out they had 80% error rate even when used correctly (the tests were for antibodies, so they could only give positive at late stages of infection).

Made in China indeed.

[Gaidin]

Made for China.

[Love Mountain]

China shouldn’t be commended for its reaction to the outbreak, when at first it tried to cover it up and punish doctors and journalists.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...st-authorities

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ds-show-report

You can praise the positive while condemning the negative. It isn't black and white, unless you're trying to sell me pizza.

[Aexodus]

You can praise the positive while condemning the negative. It isn't black and white, unless you're trying to sell me pizza.

Hitler made great strides in reducing German unemployment.

[Gaidin]

Hitler made great strides in reducing German unemployment.

Eisenhower loved their interstates as well. In the end that piece of government industry turned out to be really bad for the Germans.

[Sar1n]

There was significant data about possible hydroxychloroquine effect on COVID-19. Trump just did what he always does, tried to milk that for publicity. Same as every other damn politician.

It's not a miracle cure. What's going on is that they are already available safe medications that have worked in few lab tests and several desperate attempts (the effects of hydroxychlorquinine against COVID-19 were predicted based on in vitro tests against SARS, so with no available cure some critical patients were prescribed this), so they're being used as emergency in cases when nothing else works while new antivirals undergo clinical trials.

[skh1]

Serving as a shining example for all to see of how best to respond to a crisis, the Senate today expeditiously failed to pass a $2 trillion coronavirus aid package and instead turned to the vital and far more pressing issue of partisan bickering:

A far-reaching coronavirus economic stimulus package failed to advance in the U.S. Senate on Monday as Democrats said it contained too little money for states and hospitals and not enough restrictions on a fund to help big businesses.
The 49-46 vote left the $2 trillion measure short of the 60 votes needed to advance, as the chamber remained deadlocked for a second day. Only one Democrat, Doug Jones of Alabama, voted with Republicans to advance the bill…

Et nauseating cetera:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN21A1O0


Much more of this and we may well be forced to postpone the pandemic until after the elections.

[Ludicus]

I couldn't find out whether or not the FDA has approved the combination for compassionate use, but there certainly are some experts arguing in favor of them doing so..

China/South Korea/ France/Germany/Portugal/Spain/ U.S/Brazil and other countries, are now giving the plaquenil to some patients. The FDA is organizing a formal clinical trial of the drug. Here we are using both ( chloroquine or hidroxi and other drugs) with anecdotal results so far.
Currently, check here, 86 clinical trials of COVID-19 are ongoing or recruiting.
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Nigeria Reports Chloroquine Overdoses After Trump

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Now, the political aspect.

Trump just did what he always does

So what does he do?...Trump says,

"Our country wasn't built to be shut down. This is not a country that was built for this. It was not built to be shut down. If it were up to the doctors, they may say let's keep it shut down -- let's shut down the entire world. We're going to open up our country."
Already, some conservatives have suggested the US went too far in limiting people's movements to protect health at the expense of businesses
"What's the point of social distancing if 20% ignore the order?" Trump has said to aides.
Outside the doctors and public health experts, nearly all of the President's senior advisers are eager to relax the nationwide guidelines to begin reopening the economy.

The Trump/US warrior culture tends to ignore the health of its citizens.

FEMA chief says Trump still not using Defense Production Act ...
The only part of the USA government that works amazingly well is the military when they want to go to war.

[EmperorBatman999]

I think largely the differing perspective between American conservatives and liberals on how to exactly respond to the virus has to do with their fundamental political principles and the life perspectives tied to it. Liberals seem to fall more towards the European attitude where lockdowns are not just an acceptable maneuver, they must be done immediately under the idea that we have to save every life possible. I think conservatives have come to accept that this is going to be ugly, the virus is already out of control, and people will inevitably die. American Conservatives, from my experiences and political upbringing, place a heavy emphasis on economic and political principle - this is a deep, long-term way to view things, and these conservatives generally believe that the principles of the nation must be upheld through any crisis, namely freedom of trade and personal movement in this case. To them, the virus is merely temporary, but our basis for civil liberties has to somehow endure. Therefore, conservatives see the lockdown as both worthless for combating the virus (at this point) and, by principle, dangerous - if anything must survive the crisis to them, it ought to be the freedom of trade and movement.

The POTUS attempted to take early action, drawing up travel restrictions from China and then Europe - some of you might remember that the EU was particularly upset at that and thought it was unjustified. Yet nonetheless, look at where we are now. Could we have done a better job quarantining travelers and the sick early? Yes, of course. But I'm not sure anyone else was particularly good at this game either except for Taiwan, Japan, and S. Korea.

While Trump's briefings have caused confusion, at least they have not triggered alarm among the public, unlike some political elites, the media, and doctors with their ominous warnings about this virus. Maintaining at least some public confidence through the crisis is important for public order and to curb panicked reactions in the form of flights out of infection zones or the raids on grocery stores...later on, that might be important, too, to prevent criminality and looting.

[Genava]

Chinese study with 30 patients with COVID-19 suggesting no significant effect of hydroxychloroquine in comparison with a control group:
http://www.zjujournals.com/med/EN/10...292.2020.03.03

Abstract in English, the core text is in Chinese.

[Exarch]

I am somewhat bemused at the fact that american leaders would rather their elderly roll over and die so economic graphs look more appealing.

China shouldn’t be commended for its reaction to the outbreak, when at first it tried to cover it up and punish doctors and journalists.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...st-authorities

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ds-show-report

You forgot the part where the doctor was later exonerated and commended and the politicians who tried to cover it up were, namely the Hubei officials were fired and new leaders brought it. Funny how we've yet to see that happen in the United States...

btw, America's COVID-19 cases are looking to top even China's total cases by the end of the week, especially as testing reveals more and more cases; i guess this is where america's leaders decide to stop testing otherwise it'll make the Market go bad.

And not just that. I'm afraid I don't have article in English for that yet, but Czech Republic bought 1M quick COVID tests from China, and when the hospital used them, they found out they had 80% error rate even when used correctly (the tests were for antibodies, so they could only give positive at late stages of infection).

Made in China indeed.

Proof?
btw Andrews Airforce Base, the focal point of american astroturfing really needs to up their game in recent weeks; when it comes to events that actually happened, the Czechs stole Chinese donated face masks meant for Italy, and these were from chinese companies and private Chinese individuals, not the government. Needless to say, this was around the same time the Chinese government also supplied masks and other materiel to the Czech government to aid in the fight against COVID-19.

Bigger question is, where is America? Where is NATO?

Made for China.

LOL

Trump's glorious beautiful economy just shrank back to 2015 and he's on the verge of upending his trade war just to get some much needed Chinese made medical materiel for america's doctors and nurses.

Did you know that american doctors and nurses are forced to re-use PPE, or even go without PPE when treating COVID-19 patients which amounts to a ing death sentence? Why is there such a shortage of materiel in the glorious american free market? Could it be because this fascist wannabe race war administration would prefer to have millions of american dead (optimistic projection being hundreds of thousands dead) than admit that they ed up when they decided to start a cold war with China.

Look around you, the world is changing:


You have about a week before the US becomes the new epicentre of the COVID-19 outbreak and no amount of calling it the China-virus or attacking Asian Americans is going to stop that.

The only way America comes out of this with its population mostly intact is to actually cooperate with China as Obama did during 2009 with H1N1; else wise, get ready for burning mass corpses of COVID-19 Americans:

US shows ‘very large acceleration’ in Covid-19 cases, has potential to become new epicenter of pandemic – WHO

Source: https://www.rt.com/news/483939-us-po...r-coronavirus/

The Trump/US warrior culture tends to ignore the health of its citizens.

I wouldn't call it a warrior culture if none of the main leaders of the Bannonite Brigade have actually served in a wartime capacity; even Pompeo who was in the military never even saw action, he just had a cushy posting in west germany.

What we have here is a startling disconnect between the rulers and the ruled, on the level of "Let them eat cake" when today, one of the mouthpieces suggested that the elderly should just accept dying from coronavirus.

[Heathen Hammer]

The key factor is to slow down the exponential propagation of the virus. Absolutely and without question. Patients recover and beds become free and available for the next cohort of critical cases. If the infection ratio (time dependency!) is low enough, the deaths can be minimized to a few thousand or tenthousands in countries around the 50 million in size.

Cases requiring hospitalization emerge faster then cases that recover. No healthcare system in the world can handle that. That's why the only way to prevent such a thing was to close borders early on, before community spread begun.

[Heathen Hammer]

So Democrats hit a new low and block a coronavirus stimulus package. Just to spite the Republicans. Democrats are willing to sacrifice livelihoods and even lives of American people just for a quick partisan bump.

[PointOfViewGun]

So Democrats hit a new low and block a coronavirus stimulus package. Just to spite the Republicans. Democrats are willing to sacrifice livelihoods and even lives of American people just for a quick partisan bump.
If any of the Democrat brass now get infected, they kinda deserve it.

You didn't read the link you posted, didn't you?

[alhoon]

So Democrats hit a new low and block a coronavirus stimulus package. Just to spite the Republicans. Democrats are willing to sacrifice livelihoods and even lives of American people just for a quick partisan bump.

The Democrats are not the only ones with blame. What they did was crappy but to be fair, the Republicans tried to put things in the bill that were favoring their own buddies - big money.
However it is undeniable that democrats are worse IMO in this situation as some of the things they asked to put on the bill are even worse.

[Vanoi]

You forgot the part where the doctor was later exonerated and commended and the politicians who tried to cover it up were, namely the Hubei officials were fired and new leaders brought it. Funny how we've yet to see that happen in the United States...

Exonerated after he died. Did China exonerate the others connected to Li who were arrested as well?

https://nypost.com/2020/02/29/china-...p-report-says/

According to this the cover up of the virus extends to the top, not just Hubei province.

We've yet to see the same thing happening in the US because the US isn't trying to cover up the outbreak or arrest doctors for warning about it.

[Mithradates]

There may be 10 non-recorded coronavirus cases for every registered, according to the Italy’s emergency commissioner and civil protection head, Angelo Borrelli.

Some recent scientific studies have suggested that the percentage of asymptomatic people who have contracted Covid-19 may be very high. In some areas of Italy, it is estimated that non-asymptomatic patients, capable of transmitting the virus, are over 50%.

But on Tuesday, Borrelli said the report - stating there could be 10 non-recorded coronavirus cases for every registered one - is “credible”.

...
If, on the one hand, this means the number of infected people in Italy is much higher than the official data, it also means that the mortality rate could be significantly lower than the official estimates.(Guardian)

What? So over 90% of the infected could be asymptomatic?