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    Quote Originally Posted by antaeus View Post
    As has been discussed, and evidenced on this page, only very low numbers of staff are leaving because of vaccine mandates. I literally gave other more applicable reasons in the first of two paragraphs you quoted.

    But continue your "Big Pharma" nonsense. It makes for great memes.
    The numbers provided in the Guardian article were for staff who openly "resigned" over mandates, not the number who left or were sacked.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    The numbers provided in the Guardian article were for staff who openly "resigned" over mandates, not the number who left or were sacked.
    The Guardian article specifically referenced New South Wales, but is broadly representative of all Australian states, and also seems to broadly follow international trends although whether staff are fired or stood down might vary.

    Things to note, as of mid-November, no staff had been 'sacked' for refusing to get vaccinated. Rather they have been stood down. In the most recent reporting I could find, out of a state work force of 140,000, some 1000 have been stood down, 215 have quit, Some 700 have sought medical exemptions, of which 350 odd had been accepted. Cyclops might be able to enlighten us further on where this ended up, and whether any workers have actually been sacked.

    I think this story has probably lost a little context now, as in NSW and most of Australia, Omicron has changed the conversation somewhat... it is more around allowing staff to work while they either have, or have been exposed to Covid. The plight of a couple of hundred anti-vax nurses in a workforce of 140,000 seems to have dropped off the news, especially when the court cases that Stario referenced earlier in the thread started dropping away.
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    If such a small percentage of the staff (0.7%) have not been vaccinated, enforcing a mandate would be redundant.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    If such a small percentage of the staff (0.7%) have not been vaccinated, enforcing a mandate would be redundant.
    So if too many staff are unvaccinated it justifies allowing them to work because of freedom, and if too few staff are unvaccinated it justifies allowing them to work because they aren't an impactful number. Is there a sweet spot between the two Cope?
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    https://amp.www.complex.com/life/lea...covid-antidote

    The leader of an anti-vax group called Vaccine Police is urging his followers to drink their own urine,

    Per the Daily Beast, Christopher Key—who was arrested last week for his plan to try arresting Democratic governors—is now pushing what he calls “urine therapy,” i.e. drinking one’s own pee, over vaccinations.

    “The antidote that we’ve seen now, and we have tons and tons of research, is urine therapy,” Key said in a video he uploaded to his Telegram account after his time in jail. “OK, and I know to a lot of you this sounds crazy, but guys, God’s given us everything we need.”

    Key elaborated in the clip, asking followers to “please take it with a grain of salt” and calling vaccinations “the worst bioweapon I have ever seen.” These unsubstantiated claims come from a man who was recently booked into Jefferson County Jail in Birmingham, Alabama over an arrest at a Whole Foods in April, where he was accused of criminal trespassing. He subsequently refused to enter a courtroom with a mask, per the Daily Beast.

    The right: "This guy definitely sounds more trustworthy than any of those Marxists (((doctors))) with their fancy liberal book-learning."

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    EcoHealth Alliance wanted to block disclosure of Covid-19-relevant virus data from China
    Ah yes, transparency:
    EcoHealth Alliance President Peter Daszak opposed the public release of Covid-19-related virus sequence data gathered from China as part of the U.S. Agency for International Development’s (USAID) PREDICT program, according to emails obtained by U.S. Right to Know.The conversation in late April 2020 involved employees of EcoHealth Alliance, a nonprofit that has received millions of dollars of U.S. taxpayer funding to genetically manipulate coronaviruses, including with scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology; and Metabiota, a San Francisco-based biotechnology company backed by Google that works with PREDICT, a “virus hunting” program that tracks unknown viruses.
    Tammie O’Rourke of Metabiota emailed Hongying Li, who coordinates EcoHealth programs in China and Southeast Asia, an attachment with virus sequences detected in China that had been submitted to the public genetic sequence database GenBank. They then discussed whether the genetic sequences should be uploaded into the public database.
    Hongying Li wanted to hold off on uploading the virus sequence data for several reasons, including that, “due to the COVID-19, any relevant data publication needs to be reviewed and approved by the institution in China…”
    Daszak then wrote, “It’s extremely important we don’t have these sequences as part of our PREDICT release to Genbank at this point. As you may have heard, these were part of a grant just terminated by NIH.” He referred to an article in Politico, “Trump cuts U.S. research on bat-human virus transmission over China ties,” and urged holding off on public sharing of Chinese viral genomic data, even though the generation of the data was funded by U.S. taxpayers. Having them as part of PREDICT will being [sic] very unwelcome attention to UC Davis, PREDICT and USAID,” Daszak wrote.
    For those that haven't followed this, EcoHealth is an American NGO that had ties to Wuhan viral lab, during COVID pandemic US government ordered them to release data and evidence they have on China's viral lab or lose funding , which it was forced to backtrack on due to "uproar" from"77 noble laureates".
    Now EcoHealth is still trying to block any research concerning COVID strains in China, most likely because NGO was involved with original viral lab and could be held potentially responsible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antaeus View Post
    When they say hospitals are at capacity, or near full capacity, they are usually talking about the available staff. Not the physical beds.
    Both. Last January, with the world's highest covid rate ( a true hecatomb, nearly of all deaths were in January), we had only seven vacant beds left in intensive care. Well, with 420 additional ICU beds set up for non-coronavirus patients in the public hospitals.
    And...at that time there was a big controversy,Portugal: Controversy over German medics in private clinic - DW
    German army doctors were welcomed with open arms in Portugal when they recently came to help fight the pandemic. But.. . is one of Portugal's best-known and most expensive private clinics.
    The German mission treated 16 patients in intensive care. What really matters.Private health care is great, isn't it?
    Isabel Vaz, Hospital administrator. In 2015, she said,with great satisfaction,



    "Melhor que o negócio da saúde só o negócios das armas". Loose translation: There is nothing more lucrative than arms and private health care.
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    Here today, fewer patients are in the ICU (-8 in the last 24 hours); fewer patients hospitalized (-24). Infections not yet at their peak. 10% of hospitalized patients with confirmed COVID-19.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antaeus View Post
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    Things to note, as of mid-November, no staff had been 'sacked' for refusing to get vaccinated. Rather they have been stood down. In the most recent reporting I could find, out of a state work force of 140,000, some 1000 have been stood down, 215 have quit, Some 700 have sought medical exemptions, of which 350 odd had been accepted. Cyclops might be able to enlighten us further on where this ended up, and whether any workers have actually been sacked...
    AFAIK unvaccinated nurses are not stupid enough to apply for jobs they aren't qualified for, and are doing other work. There are agency staff applying for positions who get turned away when it emerges they lack vaccination dox, but usually they are required just to apply so its hardly an issue.

    There is a staff shortage but the unvaxxed aren't the decisive margin between the system functioning and failing, that margin is being pushed by spineless idiot politicians more interested in grabbing headlines by bullying idiot (but largely harmless) tennis players.
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    1. I hear that having too many boosters may bugger up our immune system.

    2. This may evolve into our sickle cell anemia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Condottiere 40K View Post
    1. I hear that having too many boosters may bugger up our immune system.

    2. This may evolve into our sickle cell anemia.
    We have a canary in that tunnel....

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    Project Veritas/Rand Paul's taking down of Fauci earlier this week had certainly made CDC in its current rendition have same healthcare advisory legitimacy as Herbalife and Malboro corporation. I wonder if Typhoid Joe is going to replace him our he'll decide to sink with the rat boy.

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    Yes the RNA vaccines are a new brew and the full implications are yet to lay out. The utterly brainless disregard of Boris the Clown and his like mean the virus will rage for years, so more boosters are on the menu. Still we must enjoy the good weather while it lasts.

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    We have a canary in that tunnel....

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ons-in-one-day
    "He's too dangerous to be left alive!"

    Just not sure of the thought processes here, obviously the guy is getting paid, but the people who imagine the vaccine is deadly are surely intending him harm? I mean sending a not-functioning bomb is still attempted murder isn't it?
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    When the regular inactive vaccines came out it met with the same kind of idiotic response that the mRNA vaccines endure today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    When the regular inactive vaccines came out it met with the same kind of idiotic response that the mRNA vaccines endure today.
    Source?

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    In National Federation of Independent Business v. OSHA, the Supreme Court ruled six-three against the administrative state on compelling vaccine mandates:
    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinion...1a244_hgci.pdf


    While in Biden v Missouri the Supreme Court ruled five-four for upholding a vaccine mandate on facilities that receive Medicare and Medicaid funding:
    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinion...1a240_d18e.pdf

    Associate Justice Sotomayor was spreading misinformation during oral arguments (and I have been reliably informed that spreading misinformation about covid should be a jailable offense...):
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/polit...uch/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Source?
    Salk challenged prevailing scientific orthodoxy in his vaccine development. Elvis Presley makes an appearance in support of the March of Dimes, 1950s.
    While most scientists believed that effective vaccines could only be developed with live viruses, Salk developed a “killed-virus” vaccine by growing samples of the virus and then deactivating them by adding formaldehyde so that they could no longer reproduce. By injecting the benign strains into the bloodstream, the vaccine tricked the immune system into manufacturing protective antibodies without the need to introduce a weakened form of the virus into healthy patients. Many researchers such as Polish-born virologist Albert Sabin, who was developing an oral “live-virus” polio vaccine, called Salk’s approach dangerous. Sabin even belittled Salk as “a mere kitchen chemist.” The hard-charging O’Connor, however, had grown impatient at the time-consuming process of developing a live-virus vaccine and put the resources of the March of Dimes behind Salk.
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    One thing they don’t warn people enough about is, the sudden onset of understanding aboriginal Australian is a possible early Covid symptom.

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    How Covid crisis has affected political beliefs. The first global overview, from Cambridge’s Centre for the Future of DemocracyThe Great Reset: Public Opinion, Populism, and the Pandemic
    See figures 1-26. Key points,

    1-There are clear signs of a turning tide for the "populist wave".On average, populist leaders have seen a 10 percentage point drop between the spring of 2020 and the last quarter of 2021, while ratings for non-populists – on average – returned to around pre-pandemic levels.

    2-Researchers also found that political “tribalism” – fertile ground for populists – has declined in most countries. The percentage of party supporters expressing a “strong dislike” of those who vote for opposing politicians fell in most nations (although not the US) during the crisis.

    3- The consequence of populist decline has not been renewed faith in liberal democracy. Perhaps tainted by the record of populists in office, support for democracy has also waned.

    4- In the US, the percentage of people who consider democracy a “bad” way to run the country more than doubled from 10.5% in late 2019 to 25.8% in late 2021.

    5-The pandemic has brought good and bad news for liberal democracy. On the upside, we see a decline in populism and a restoration of trust in government. On the downside, some illiberal attitudes are increasing, and satisfaction with democracy remains very low.
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