Coronavirus outbreak - From China to the World.

[Mithradates]

Coronavirus Live Updates: Brazilian Official Who Met With Trump Tests Positive

A senior Brazilian government official who visited Mar-a-Lago days ago, and was in close proximity to President Trump and Vice President Mike Pence, has tested positive for the new coronavirus, according to the several Brazilian news outlets.

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[TheLeft]

Right wingers: Healthcare is not a right, we don't need no big government messing with our lives...
Also right wingers: Where is my Corona virus test kit? Why hasn't the government provided a free vaccination yet?

[Phier]

Right wingers: Healthcare is not a right, we don't need no big government messing with our lives...
Also right wingers: Where is my Corona virus test kit? Why hasn't the government provided a free vaccination yet?

And not even a good one.

[Love Mountain]

Strawman he says. Not even a good one he says.

In other news, thedeep State is sabotaging the coronavirus response boys.

[Beorn]

The best written article out there (So far) explaining with graphs and projections why social distancing, total shutdown and measures like these are the only way to keep the death count as low as possible.

[Ludicus]

I wish I was wrong, but I'm not. I say this with great sadness-Americans will soon learn how costly is the lack of universal healthcare.
The American Hospital Association told his members (the hospitals) to expect 96 million cases of COVID-19 in the US within two months, resulting in 480,000 deaths.
China has until now 3,169 total deaths, and only 18 new cases today. In Italy, healthcare system is one step from collapse; intensive care units are overloaded. Italy has the oldest population in Europe (read my previous post). 10% of medical workers in Lombardy- the richest region of Italy, with great hospitals, and great doctors- have been infected. Italy (or any other country) needs a drastic reduction in transmission of the virus. For that, draconian measures:if you're quarantined, you can't go to the beach.Restrict people's liberty - because it's necessary for the common good.

[Love Mountain]

From what I gather, the point of a good response to the disease is to reduce the burden on the healthcare system over time. I.E., spreading 1,000,000 infections over 6 months instead of 2 for example. That way we can cycle people in and out of beds and get them the care they need instead of needing to rush extra beds and supplies in a very short period of time.

[Beorn]

^exactly

[Cyclops]

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...ompanies-will/

The Idiot President fluffed his lines again. Clear communication is key, and this turd in a suit is too stupid to repeat basic facts he just heard correctly. But hey, he's not part of the swamp, right?

I have to say to our US friends, lets not have any more Old Man presidents please? Someone with their wits about them, not a creepy frattish party boy like Trump or Biden.

From what I gather, the point of a good response to the disease is to reduce the burden on the healthcare system over time. I.E., spreading 1,000,000 infections over 6 months instead of 2 for example. That way we can cycle people in and out of beds and get them the care they need instead of needing to rush extra beds and supplies in a very short period of time.

Yeah containment is the best front line defence but China denied this one existed for too long and its out (plus its very transmissible so it was probably going to get out anyway). Even though its already in the US the move to limit international travel makes sense for them because it slows the spread a bit. Every small measure helps, although the economic cost is high.

[Copperknickers II]

Here in the EU, countries are beginning to put up border controls and refuse access to foreigners. I used to be able to walk across the border without seeing a single police officer, now I don't even know if I'll be allowed back in. I'm hearing a few countries are closing airports to all foreign flights tomorrow and over the weekend. Everywhere you look things are being disinfected. I'm being told I'll have to work from home for at least the whole of next week. Streets are increasingly deserted. And this is only the beginning. You have this to look forward to, America and UK.

[Ludicus]

containment is the best front line.

Indeed.But I insist, Here's how the US health care system makes it harder to stop ...
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A splendid idea.China is literally cleaning its money to stop the spread ... - Quartz

In fact, the WHO warns, "...advisable to use contactless payments to reduce the risk of transmission".
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Ultraviolet light to disinfect cash. Coins? alcohol, oxygenated water.

[Stario]

The mortality rate of Covid is demonstrably much higher than regular flu

Demonstrably? What does that even mean? A theory/statistic that hasn't yet been observed? But might or might not come true?
Because right now Covid-19 has killed nowhere near the amount of people the flu does each season.

Closing down businesses/schools and social distancing is not panic. It's a level-headed response to expert advice which will save millions of lives

We don't close down businesses/schools every season due to the common flu that kills way more people than covid-19 has thus far!?
AND estimated mortality rate of 2-3% is unreliable as we cannot test everyone- so who's to say for every 1 death confirmed 100 go undetected & fully recover (we simply cannot know).

[Ludicus]

Trump ban travel from Europe to the US.. U.K. and Ireland are not on the list only because the idiot has properties there
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Because right now Covid-19 has killed nowhere near the amount of people the flu does each season.

Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected.It's called the lethality/fatality rate.The quoted mortality rate of 3.4% is taken from confirmed deaths over total reported cases.
The death rate from seasonal flu is typically around 0.1% in the U.S. The Coronavirus spreads easily compared to many viruses, and there have been reports of people transmitting the virus without showing symptoms.
Read the post 306.
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We don't close down businesses/schools every season due to the common flu that kills way more people than covid-19 has thus far!?

If you are going to be a troll, at least be good at it.

[B. W.]

A very informative and enlightening interview. Frankly, it doesn't sound good, but this guy clearly knows what he is talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw

[Ludicus]

Trump, the idiot, on more than one occasion, likened the coronavirus to the flu.It's almost insulting.
In Italy, hospitals are on the brink of collapse.Coronavirus 'tsunami' pushes Italy's hospitals to breaking point

Lombardy, which has one of the best-resourced regional health systems in Italy, has been facing a surge in acute cases. As of Tuesday the number of people infected in Italy’s industrial heart had risen to 5,791, including 446 in intensive care. “Frankly, I don’t know for how long the health system can cope, I don’t even want to think about how it could end,” Massimo Galli, head of the department for infectious diseases at the Sacco Hospital in Milan, told the Financial Times.
“We are holding up, but other hospitals are much worse off than us and it is a fact that we will come increasingly under pressure in the coming days.” Giorgio Gori, Bergamo mayor, tweeted: “It seems that the increase [in the number of cases] is slowing down, but it’s only because we have no longer beds in intensive care (few are added with great effort). Patients who cannot be treated are left to die” There are signs that the system is already near capacity. In Veneto, which has 3.6 beds per 1,000 people, 80 per cent of the region’s 450 intensive care beds were occupied as of Tuesday, with 67 of those taken by coronavirus patients.
The disparity between the number of available hospital beds in Italy’s wealthier north and its poorer south — the result of regional health services being centrally funded but regionally administered — is another source of concern for experts: if the system in Lombardy is under intolerable strain, the consequences of a similar outbreak further south could be catastrophic.

[Heathen Hammer]

As a Canadian, it is quite unnerving to see US adequately responding to the crisis, while our own government has done... nothing. I mean seriously, not only travel from countries where the virus is prevalent has not been suspended, people are not even checked upon arrival or are told to quarantine themselves. Trudeau's ineptitude and incompetence has already costed the nation billions, and now it will most likely cost us human lives as well.

[skh1]

Madame Trudeau has tested positive for Covid-19. Prime Minister Trudeau and she are now in quarantine.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51860702

[Roma_Victrix]

And not even a good one.

I like you, bro. Don't disagree with you on certain issues like guns and stuff, but perhaps sit down and sit this one out, chief. K? Yeah, that'd be great. Perhaps now would be the time to compare the South Korean response to our own, or any other country that has a publicly funded universal healthcare system and adequate disease control and prevention programs, unlike our presently charming CDC, or the private insurance companies looking to make a buck from this disaster while hundreds of thousands of people could be infected by April given our hilariously botched response to this pandemic. Our country's response looks more like that of a second-rate third world country than that of a superpower, to be frank about it.

The House of Reps with House Speaker Pelosi (who I otherwise find to be cantankerous and slow on too many issues) is set to hand over a bill to McConnell about free virus testing for all, paid sick leave for all, and other measures to not only combat the spread of Coronavirus but stabilize the economy, which is teetering now that major businesses have shuttered and the Stock Market is in a free fall, worse than the Black Monday crash of 1987. McConnell, being the turtle that he is, will probably do nothing about it, because this is all just a bunch of evil socialism but I'd like to be pleasantly surprised. After all, we already have socialism for the rich, and the Fed announces that they are to inject $1.5 trillion into the financial market: https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/inves...rus/index.html

As a Canadian, it is quite unnerving to see US adequately responding to the crisis, while our own government has done... nothing. I mean seriously, not only travel from countries where the virus is prevalent has not been suspended, people are not even checked upon arrival or are told to quarantine themselves. Trudeau's ineptitude and incompetence has already costed the nation billions, and now it will most likely cost us human lives as well.

You can argue about tactics, but you simply cannot compare the US healthcare system to that of Canada, or Korea, or the UK, or Taiwan, or Australia, etc. We don't even have universal healthcare. We have private insurance companies that are not non-profit organizations or even highly regulated, but exist solely to make profits and appease shareholders. That is why 28 million Americans are to this day uninsured and upwards of 85 million are under-insured, afraid to see a doctor or even a dentist, let alone walk into a hospital where they could get surprise billing from being out of network and become bankrupt due to medical bills. On top of that, Trump previously gutted funding for the CDC and has put out mixed messages about the virus since January, and we are barely testing anyone aside from individual states like Colorado taking the initiative but still struggling without federal support: https://kdvr.com/news/coronavirus/co...o-meet-demand/

Old people are the ones who are most at risk for dying from Coronavirus, and yet most of them vote Republican and don't believe we should have "socialized" medicine or public funded universal healthcare, even though they enjoy both Social Security and Medicare if they are over 65. Forget the Darwin Award, this is the Darwin Olympics, and Boomers collectively chose to get coughed on by their nephew Joe and their retirement home nurse Betty who can't skip a paycheck because she has to pay rent or get evicted by her landlord. As for my own elderly parents, I will do my best to convince them to stay indoors except for the grocery store.

Madame Trudeau has tested positive for Covid-19. Prime Minister Trudeau and she are now in quarantine.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51860702

Wow. That's huge. Brazil's Bolsonaro is undoubtedly next in line for that. From China to Italy to Iran, it seems no government officials are safe from this either and not even Tom Hanks and his wife who got tested positive for the virus in Australia.

[Cyclops]

I'm still in a complete daze about Trump's series of epic gaffes in that disastrous speech. The tool managed to crash the market, and confuse people about trade, about insurance and about travel restrictions all in one address. This guy has to go.

...Tom Hanks and his wife who got tested positive for the virus in Australia.

WHERE IS HIS DOG?

[sumskilz]

The US is in a high information low energy mood, with testing lagging behind South Korea's putative testing regime.

The tests the CDC had developed and distributed were faulty. Commercial and state labs have wanted to use their own tests, but they aren’t approved yet by the FDA. There is some work-around for the faulty CDC tests, I don’t know the details, but in any case, the CDC wasn’t able to implement the work-around right away either, because they had to wait for approval from the FDA.