Thread: Coronavirus outbreak - From China to the World.

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    We have protesters in my city breaking into vaccine clinics spitting on nurses. This meant the vaccine clinic was shut down for at least two days pending testing for those spat on, organising replacements etc. This rolls on to many hundreds whose vaccines were delayed, with consequent extra infections.

    There are scum at the extreme edge of the protest movement trying to kill people. The useful idiots in the front line die because they "did their own research" on YouTube, good luck to them, but they kill others as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    IHH's lack of knowledge of separation of powers
    Nah, you claimed that elites don't have to wear masks at their summits, galas and ceremonies even though they are inside buildings and aren't "social distancing", all because of "separation of powers", and we are dying to know how you came up with that conclusion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    We have protesters in my city breaking into vaccine clinics spitting on nurses. This meant the vaccine clinic was shut down for at least two days pending testing for those spat on, organising replacements etc. This rolls on to many hundreds whose vaccines were delayed, with consequent extra infections.

    There are scum at the extreme edge of the protest movement trying to kill people. The useful idiots in the front line die because they "did their own research" on YouTube, good luck to them, but they kill others as well.

    And then all the spit-covered nurses clapped.
    Last edited by Heathen Hammer; October 03, 2021 at 12:48 PM.

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    https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/cr...uwm-story.html

    A Cumberland man allegedly killed his brother and sister-in-law in their Ellicott City home last week because his brother, a pharmacist, administered COVID-19 vaccines, according to charging documents filed Wednesday in a Howard County court.


    Jeffrey Burnham told his mother he had to confront his older brother, Brian Robinette, because he was poisoning people by administering the COVID-19 vaccine, telling his mother, “Brian knows something,” according to the new charging documents filed against Burnham.


    If someone is so easily misled that they'll murder people because they are too stupid too understand concepts like RNA, then they should be locked away somewhere they cannot harm others with their stupidity. And any wild theories they believe can be discarded wholesale.

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    is this accurate?

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    It looks accurate. Some added context:

    1. The Civil War (by some distance, the US's deadliest war) is being omitted.
    2. The US's population was much smaller historically, meaning that deaths in the world wars and the Civil War were of a larger proportion.
    3. In the years immediately preceding C19, ~3m US Citizens died annually (almost all from disease).
    4. In 2020, the number of deaths in the US increased by ~12-13% compared to 2019.



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    I'm more curious about the COVID figure. Does it include people that died from COVID or just did with it. How many of them had underlying conditions that make death more likely like obesity (42% of population suffers from it according to CDC), heart problems or immune system issues?
    Also as Cope pointed out those wars happened when US had different population amounts, so comparing Covid to 1800s wars is beyond irrational. Whoever made that infographic is intentionally misleading people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flinn View Post
    is this accurate?
    Its an interesting (and very sad) factoid, just goes to show we can plan to kill and be killed but our efforts pale in comparison with a simple virus, compounded by our own massive stupidity.

    Meanwhile in my country we have several cops infected and one getting serious medical intervention to stay alive after being spat on by infected protestors.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-...oser/100519884

    These scum protest the lockdown, deny the science and at the same time deliberately infect officers. There are dissident elements in our society attempting to upset the status quo but they could not do so without their useful idiots.

    In NSW the premier was forced to resign after the corruption watchdog bizarrely decide to investigate events from over a year ago, byut with no time frame announced for the investigation. She's been replaced by an Opus Dei pawn whose plan all along has been top "let her rip", as if COVID were a Biblical plague that God intended to punish us and it were human folly to oppose it. He has massively sped up the already hasty reopening of the state and medical and professional bodies are up in arms.

    The present outbreak of the Delta variant in NSW and Victoria are essentially his work as his faction (the Catholic Right, who have been much favoured by Rupert Murdoch and the mining companies-bizarrely they seem to be the most rentable politicians in Australia) pushed hard to prevent hard lockdowns (massively progressing the present overflow of cases). It may have been going to happen anyway but NSW government policy accelerated the process, and they are at it again.

    I have to say oath-sworn members of secretive cults seem to me to be unfit for public office. If a person swear allegiance to a secret cult like Opus Dei or the Freemasons they cannot fulfil their oath to the Queen (the Australian Head of State) and her government in good conscience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Whoever made that infographic is intentionally misleading people.
    You're correct....

    700,000 additional deaths, above the normal average for a given period, caused by a novel virus - either directly through infection itself, or in combination with other underlying conditions, shouldn't need to be contextualised by comparing it to idiotic military campaigns from the past. It stands out as shocking all on it's own.
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    And another in the list of "Scams right-wingers fell for that everyone else immediately saw through."

    Ivermectin: How false science created a Covid 'miracle' drug

    A recent study in Lebanon was found to have blocks of details of 11 patients that had been copied and pasted repeatedly - suggesting many of the trial's apparent patients didn't really exist.
    The study's authors told the BBC that the "original set of data was rigged, sabotaged or mistakenly entered in the final file" and that they have submitted a retraction to the scientific journal which published it.
    ...
    Another study from Iran seemed to show that ivermectin prevented people dying from Covid.
    But the scientists who investigated it found issues. The records of how much iron was in patients' blood contained numbers in a sequence that was unlikely to come up naturally.
    And the patients given the placebo turned out to have had much lower levels of oxygen in their blood before the trial started than those given ivermectin. So they were already sicker and statistically more likely to die.
    But this pattern was repeated across a wide range of different measurements. The people with "bad" measurements ended up in the placebo group, the ones with "good" measurements in the ivermectin group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Its an interesting (and very sad) factoid, just goes to show we can plan to kill and be killed but our efforts pale in comparison with a simple virus, compounded by our own massive stupidity.

    Meanwhile in my country we have several cops infected and one getting serious medical intervention to stay alive after being spat on by infected protestors.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-...oser/100519884

    These scum protest the lockdown, deny the science and at the same time deliberately infect officers. There are dissident elements in our society attempting to upset the status quo but they could not do so without their useful idiots.
    Funny, the link you posted doesn't mention a single thing about Australian cops being "spat" on, not that they wouldn't have something like that coming, given how they are basically hired thugs for globalist authoritarian regime that can no longer be viewed as democratic as it violates basic individual rights. I recall Ukrainian protesters that Western media praised, threw Molotovs at their police.
    Australian government needs to learn its place and learn the lesson that just because there is a flu, doesn't mean that you get to be Mao. Morrison could still resign and save face.
    The good thing is that protests aren't stopping, so hopefully spirit of Ned Kelly will lead Australians to freedom.
    Quote Originally Posted by antaeus View Post
    You're correct....

    700,000 additional deaths, above the normal average for a given period, caused by a novel virus - either directly through infection itself, or in combination with other underlying conditions, shouldn't need to be contextualised by comparing it to idiotic military campaigns from the past. It stands out as shocking all on it's own.
    It didn't specify whether those were deaths from COVID or just people with COVID that died due to underlying conditions like obesity. Nor did it account for US having different overall population numbers, rendering direct numerical comparison as something rather silly. So yeah, it misleads people in a way that it overexaggerates the effects of the virus, probably to create impression in public that government hamfisted attacks against individual freedoms are justified by a scary flu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    So yeah, it misleads people in a way that it overexaggerates the effects of the virus, probably to create impression in public that government hamfisted attacks against individual freedoms are justified by a scary flu.
    The graphic is stupid because it seeks to contextualise loss by comparing stupid things. Otherwise, I really can't be bothered with the latest in a long line of Covid downplayers barking up the with vs of tree in the name of mah freehdumbs!. That argument has been made and discredited so many times in this thread.

    I think in future, I'm going to give that argument all the value it deserves: "Blah blah blah blah blah blah". Because there is no other way to respond to a zombie argument that won't go away no matter how many times it is killed
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    Quote Originally Posted by antaeus View Post
    The graphic is stupid because it seeks to contextualise loss by comparing stupid things. Otherwise, I really can't be bothered with the latest in a long line of Covid downplayers barking up the with vs of tree in the name of mah freehdumbs!. That argument has been made and discredited so many times in this thread.

    I think in future, I'm going to give that argument all the value it deserves: "Blah blah blah blah blah blah". Because there is no other way to respond to a zombie argument that won't go away no matter how many times it is killed
    You literally ignored me explaining why the infographic essentially misinforms audience on the context, and demagogic gainsaying aside, there was no argument presented that would explain why should we ignore difference between people dying from covid or with covid, which the infographic omits in its entirety. Your response is a perfect illustration as to why pro-lockdown stance misses the point entirely, while when we follow the money we can clearly see that pro-lockdown narratives are being propagated by globalist NGOs and corporate media having direct financial ties with Big Pharma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Funny, the link you posted doesn't mention a single thing about Australian cops being "spat" on, not that they wouldn't have something like that coming, given how they are basically hired thugs for globalist authoritarian regime that can no longer be viewed as democratic as it violates basic individual rights. I recall Ukrainian protesters that Western media praised, threw Molotovs at their police.
    Australian government needs to learn its place and learn the lesson that just because there is a flu, doesn't mean that you get to be Mao. Morrison could still resign and save face.
    The good thing is that protests aren't stopping, so hopefully spirit of Ned Kelly will lead Australians to freedom.
    If the video's being provided are anywhere near accurate regarding the state response to protests against lockdowns, then Australia is on its way to being a nazi state. The totalitarian collectivists (the sorts who, e.g. demand martial law in response to peaceful protests, with those peaceably demonstrating being declared terrorists and summarily stripped of rights), being pathetic coward brainlets, approve of this, naturally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infidel144 View Post
    If the video's being provided are anywhere near accurate regarding the state response to protests against lockdowns, then Australia is on its way to being a nazi state. The totalitarian collectivists (the sorts who, e.g. demand martial law in response to peaceful protests, with those peaceably demonstrating being declared terrorists and summarily stripped of rights), being pathetic coward brainlets, approve of this, naturally.
    Australians descend from convicts... and some from jailers. Latter is clearly a problem.
    It does seem like Australian government crossed the line where it remaining in power can no longer be justified. Flu or no flu, it is no excuse for the government to strip its population of its most basic rights and governments that do so, should no longer be viewed as legitimate. I recall West supported ousting of Ukrainian government for far less, so there is no moral right of other Western states to support the regime in Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    You literally ignored me explaining why the infographic essentially misinforms audience on the context
    Yes, I did. Because I just don't care about your explanation - it is all conjecture and opinion that I don't need to argue against. You're allowed your opinion.

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    Australians descend from convicts... and some from jailers. Latter is clearly a problem.
    Most Australians are current generation immigrants - with more than 30% of the population born overseas. There are no official statistics on how many Australians descend from the original convict transported population. But closest estimates place the number at about 20% of the local born population and falling (thanks to high rates of recent immigration). There are actually similar number of people in the UK who descend from transported convicts (more than 2 million - descended from convicts who returned to the UK after serving their term).

    Not only this, but Australia is federal, and each state is responsible for it's own law enforcement policies. The protests you are responding to are based on conditions in Victoria. Not nation wide. Because of strict border controls, some parts of Australia have had virtually no lockdowns at all, and thus nothing to protest against. Some have had a lot of lockdowns, thus protests are more vehement. It would be illogical for state governments which are enforcing lockdowns to allow people to choose to not lockdown - that would defy the purpose of the lockdown. So of course they are going to attempt to break up protests. I'm not stating support or lack of support for their policies. Just that they are consistent in their logic.

    So as your argument stems from a flawed and likely trolling understanding of demographics and the system of government in Australia, I don't really need to address any of the assumptions it presents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antaeus View Post
    Yes, I did. Because I just don't care about your explanation - it is all conjecture and opinion that I don't need to argue against. You're allowed your opinion.



    Most Australians are current generation immigrants - with more than 30% of the population born overseas. There are no official statistics on how many Australians descend from the original convict transported population. But closest estimates place the number at about 20% of the local born population and falling (thanks to high rates of recent immigration). There are actually similar number of people in the UK who descend from transported convicts (more than 2 million - descended from convicts who returned to the UK after serving their term).

    Not only this, but Australia is federal, and each state is responsible for it's own law enforcement policies. The protests you are responding to are based on conditions in Victoria. Not nation wide. Because of strict border controls, some parts of Australia have had virtually no lockdowns at all, and thus nothing to protest against. Some have had a lot of lockdowns, thus protests are more vehement. It would be illogical for state governments which are enforcing lockdowns to allow people to choose to not lockdown - that would defy the purpose of the lockdown. So of course they are going to attempt to break up protests. I'm not stating support or lack of support for their policies. Just that they are consistent in their logic.

    So as your argument stems from a flawed and likely trolling understanding of demographics and the system of government in Australia, I don't really need to address any of the assumptions it presents.
    You quoted only part of the post. At this point you are just gainsaying, and you never addressed the rational explanation provided to you as to why that infographic was ignoring context and misinforming the audience. Its not an opinion, it is a fact, since its based on the fact that infographic ignores context and and population density differences, rendering itself just little more then alarmist propaganda.
    As for lockdowns, governments shouldn't have right to enact them in the first place. State has no business telling individuals where to go or to tell businesses who they can service. It seems government officials have forgotten their place as public servants, and view themselves as some kind of neo-feudal overlords with divine right to rule, which is dangerous for society. Hopefully the protests will continue until government changes its policies or government itself is replaced.

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    Got my covid booster today. So far my skin isn't melting off and I'm not transmitting 5G yet.

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    Itchy.
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    In another addition to the "you don't say" pile... the British Parliamentary report into the initial Covid response is out.

    https://apnews.com/article/coronavir...76cc59eefee321

    The British government waited too long to impose a lockdown in the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic, missing a chance to contain the disease and leading to thousands of unnecessary deaths, a parliamentary report concluded Tuesday.

    The deadly delay resulted from ministers’ failure to question the recommendations of scientific advisers, resulting in a dangerous level of “groupthink” that caused them to dismiss the more aggressive strategies adopted in East and Southeast Asia, according to the joint report from the House of Commons’ science and health committees. It was only when Britain’s National Health Service risked being overwhelmed by rapidly rising infections that Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s Conservative government finally ordered a lockdown.

    “There was a desire to avoid a lockdown because of the immense harm it would entail to the economy, normal health services and society,” the report said. “In the absence of other strategies such as rigorous case isolation, a meaningful test-and-trace operation, and robust border controls, a full lockdown was inevitable and should have come sooner.’’
    The report also praised the focus on vaccinations:

    The committees praised the government’s early focus on vaccines as the ultimate way out of the pandemic and its decision to invest in vaccine development. These decisions led to Britain’s successful inoculation program, which has seen almost 80% of people 12 and over now fully vaccinated.
    Interesting timing, now that those countries who were praised in the report for swift action are dealing with large Covid outbreaks, while the UK has largely returned to pre-Covid normal. But the price was particularly high in lives - while many countries now dealing with outbreaks didn't have the dramatic loss of life last year, and now have vaccines to limit the damage this year.
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