Coronavirus outbreak - From China to the World.

[Ludicus]

As I have announced two days ago,Portugal declares 15 days state of emergency over coronavirus.
Portugal Clears Way for State of Emergency Over Coronavirus NY Times...
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Prime Minister Costa (an evil socialist) said "the declaration of a state of emergency will not mean the suspension of democracy". The new measures allow government to restrict movement of people, temporarily suspend the right of workers in vital sectors health, civil protection, security and defense - to strike, and ban protests and social or religious meetings. The measures, approved by the parliament (right, center and left), will not affect personal rights or freedoms of expression and information. Private hospitals are ready to accept NHS's patients. The state pays the bill. Ventilators in private hospitals are also transferred to public hospitals.
In civilized Europe, people don't die because they lack insurance.

[Morticia Iunia Bruti]

Given the sh-t level state of us testing not so sure.

At least the current US government has finally managed to buy some thousand tests from Roche/Swiss.

I guess the real level of spreading of the virus will be a bad awakening.

[JP226]

So, by that logic all countries where the virus spread was because they were Marxist dictatorships? Italy, USA, Germany? No amount of projection on your part can not make you sweep the stupidity of your post under the rug. Your attempt to tie globalism with socialism when its a core tenet of capitalism was ridiculous to say. Was it Marxist ideologies that made China shut those doctors up? Nope. So, why try to combine two distinct ideas with each other just to pointlessly smear one?

The CCP lied and covered it, thus here we are. I'm in the boat I don't think this is that bad, but the panic has overtaken. Caused by China, I really look forward to responding to this .

[Gaidin]

At least the current US government has finally managed to buy some thousand tests from Roche/Swiss.

I guess the real level of spreading of the virus will be a bad awakening.

So when things get bad you really need social welfare, big government and scientists. Turns out big corporations that bought their own shares out in huge buyouts are only good for mega-bailouts after laying off staff. Who knew?

[Morticia Iunia Bruti]

Is his new master plan not to let GM and Ford produce intensive medical equipment instead of cars? Sounds a bit ... unrealistic?

[Gaidin]

Is his new master plan not to let GM and Ford produce intensive medical equipment instead of cars? Sounds a bit ... unrealistic?

GM and Ford plants are a bit unrealistic as they produce cars and it would be a bit hard to shift their plants to make medical equipment. Shift other medical production facilities. You need Intensive Care beds, force whoever produces IC beds to share their production facility plans with who ever produces normal hospital beds. You need more artificial ventilators, shift whoever produces mechanical ventilators. You want precedent, GM and Ford are literally your precedent. So are Lockheed and Boeing and the Bombers the Army Air Force needed massive numbers of. Look to World War II. We literally forced these companies to share plans to what the Army and Navy needed fast-tracked and produced in a massive amount and promised to buy ALL OF IT.

[Morticia Iunia Bruti]

Yeah i know the license system of WW II. Messerschmitt, Focke-Wulff, Heinkel, Hentschel and Fieseler Fabrics did the same in Germany too, but Bahlsen and Haribo produced no Tiger II. Car fabrics have no experience in producing medical stuff, they would produce Bad quality, seems like a showrun for the Press.

[Ludicus]

Check Coronavirus Update (Live)

Italy +5,322 new cases today. The day is reset after midnight GMT+0.

You need more artificial ventilators,

Indeed, but pointless without the additional staff who know how to use them, and supplementary equipment needed.
Marty Makary, a Johns Hopkins University Surgeon,

The capacity in northern Italy hospitals is a preview of a movie that is about to play in the United States

The US needs to go on full lock down, right now, before it's too late.

[Roma_Victrix]

As I have announced two days ago,Portugal declares 15 days state of emergency over coronavirus.
Portugal Clears Way for State of Emergency Over Coronavirus NY Times...
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Prime Minister Costa (an evil socialist) said "the declaration of a state of emergency will not mean the suspension of democracy". The new measures allow government to restrict movement of people, temporarily suspend the right of workers in vital sectors health, civil protection, security and defense - to strike, and ban protests and social or religious meetings. The measures, approved by the parliament (right, center and left), will not affect personal rights or freedoms of expression and information. Private hospitals are ready to accept NHS's patients. The state pays the bill. Ventilators in private hospitals are also transferred to public hospitals.
In civilized Europe, people don't die because they lack insurance.

Thanks for keeping us updated. It is interesting to see how other countries are handling this and how it can be compared to the US in say, oh, I don't know, two weeks? People here still aren't taking it seriously. There's going to be a mountain of corpses across all 50 states by the end of April, unfortunately. I predict that it will be grim.

[B. W.]

The US needs to go on full lock down, right now, before it's too late.

This is something that would be quite difficult to do. 50 states and 50 governors, plus the various territories; not to mention the Indian reservations (some are practically independent states). Most of the current cases are concentrated in 3 states (over 50% of cases). These 3 states just happen to be states that declared themselves to be sanctuary states for illegal aliens in violation of federal law. They are also ran by Democrats.

What is likely to happen is various states will close their borders to other states that aren't taking effective steps to control this epidemic. The CDC can only issue recommendations.

Within the states there is often disagreement between counties on how to respond and in many cases a difference between cities in a county and the county.

The federal government can take control at some point by declaring Marshall Law, but that is such a drastic step that it is unlikely unless things get much worse.

Right now, the best thing that could happen is that the states bordering California, Washington, and New York should close their borders to those states.

[Gaidin]

The US needs to go on full lock down, right now, before it's too late.

I'm not sure you realize this but the US can't go on full lockdown because for the past 40 years we have lived in a society literally designed for 40% of the people to live no more than two paychecks ahead and another 20+% to live from paycheck to paycheck. You literally have to be upper class to survive a lockdown in this country. This is literally why the Republicans suddenly like socialism(shh...don't call it that!). Thanks Reagan! Congress would literally have to get together month to month to send EVERYBODY these checks. And that might not work. There are plenty of people making high five figures lower six figures that even with these checks would suddenly find themselves out on their asses unless as a part of emergency powers rent, mortgage, and utility payments were literally suspended. And don't get me started on loans. Which have only had INTEREST put on hold for FEDERAL STUDENT LOANS.

[Cyclops]

We're socially isolating, a lot of things are shut but we've gone with the Singapore model of keeping schools open so the kids are not foisted onto grandparents or into the streets.

Curve is going up and up, we should know in a fortnight of the schoolswere a blunder or a sensible move.

Casual employment has basically ceased to exist, a tidal wave of unemployed coming to the end of their last pay period this week.

Testing suggests (we are not testing enough unfortunately) we are protecting some vulnerable populations but not sire if social opbedience is strict enough to keep this up: the South Korea and Singapore models are based on highly obedient citizen models (both places have lived in a state of virtual siege from epidemics and hostile neighbours for years). not sure about checking regional spread: once again testing is too light to tell, but some regions may be OK for a while.

So we're attempting to enter a semi-voluntary semi-lockdown with substantial state intervention to bridge the coming gap in employment and shore up health services against collapse.

The worst affected state is very corrupt and has neglected infrastructure spending for decades: both parties have employed blame game tactics to get reelected rather than raising taxes to pay for the needed fixes. Looks like the rest of the country will be bailing out NSW again just to get their hospitals up to scratch.

Fortunately the political system has been resilient enough to pull itself together. The Federal Government was reeling from a porkbarrel corruption scandal that took down a junior minister and was leaking into the PMs office, but its been put on hold for the duration and he has been behaving. Cooperation has been excellent so far, just a few attention seekers yelling nonse on thefringes so far and even many of the usual suspects have been quiet.

[Copperknickers II]

Daily deaths from the virus have gone from double figures at the start of the month, to 1000 yesterday. That's an increase of 1000%. For comparison, the daily deaths in February went from 45 to 54 by the end of the month (notwithstanding a spike in the middle of the month and then a small reduction). If we even maintain the same death figures as today over the next month, we can expect to see tens of thousands dead by the end of April. In a worse case scenario we're looking at a couple of hundred thousand. Buckle up lads, things are about to go from news-story to history.

PS the same people who routinely call for all immigration to be brought to a complete halt because of a terror attack by a European citizen that kills 5 people, are now going to explain why hundreds of thousands dead is nothing to worry about, just regular flu.

[Ludicus]

I'm not sure you realize this but the US can't go on full lockdown because for the past 40 years we have lived in a society literally designed for 40% of the people to live no more than two paychecks ahead and another 20+% to live from paycheck to paycheck

Indeed. In fact,
Sanders claims half of Americans live paycheck to paycheck ...
Bernie Sanders: Why the wealthy will get through coronavirus ...
​Sanders proposes giving $2,000 per household during ...

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Hmm...a light at the end of the tunnel?


Flu drug Avigan speeds up coronavirus recovery in early trials

Japan’s Fujifilm Holdings has assembled a team of more than 100 to deal with rising global interest in its anti-flu drug Avigan as clinical trials in China suggest it appears to be an effective treatment for coronavirus. The spotlight on Avigan, which has the generic name favipiravir, comes as governments and pharmaceutical companies race to find a treatment for the pandemic, which has infected nearly 200,000 people worldwide. Shares in the company rose 15 per cent on Wednesday after Chinese authorities reported faster recovery times for those given favipiravir during clinical trials in Wuhan and Shenzhen.
Favipiravir is the main ingredient in Avigan, and the drug’s key feature is its ability to stop the genes of the virus from replicating within infected cells.

The government currently holds a stockpile of the medicine for about 2m people, but Mr Okada said the company had made emergency preparations so that it could boost production if requested.

Japanese drug 'clearly effective' in treating coronavirus

Researchers also found that the lung condition improved in about 91 percent of the patients who were given the medicine, compared to 62 percent of those who didn’t take it

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We're socially isolating, a lot of things are shut but we've gone with the Singapore model of keeping schools open so the kids are not foisted onto grandparents or into the streets.

Singapore is a "city"... close the schools before the virus spreads to the community.
Coronavirus: Singapore will not rule out lockdown, but not on ...

[B. W.]

After watching a special on NBC news I can relate some of the things they mentioned (bear in mind NBC is part of the Anti-Trump brigade of news organizations).

First there are around 200,000 ventilators in the US. That's probably more than in the entirety of Europe. 155,000 are in hospitals scattered across the country which leaves the fact that hot spots such as Cali and New York, Chicago could be in for some hurt.

There's about 12 companies world wide that make the ventilators. Six are in the US and each have a capacity of about 1,000 per month. The governors in the hot spot states should have already placed their orders. My guess is they probably haven't.

Testing is ramping up quickly and in another week we should know what kind of shape we're in.

California is finally going to follow CDC guidelines and go into shutdown mode. Other states are following suit.

[Gromovnik]

These 3 states just happen to be states that declared themselves to be sanctuary states for illegal aliens in violation of federal law. They are also ran by Democrats.

And that's exactly the reason why White Jesus gave them COVID-19.

[Mithradates]

Fourth day of the lockdown here, the streets are empty, the air is crystal clear, its like an endless sunday afternoon.
The army is deploying task forces to ensure the operation of companies of "critical importance" (energy, communications, transport, healthcare etc.) the government anounced moratorium on loan payments for individuals and companies until the end of the year, employer contributions and payroll taxes in many sectors will be waived until the end of june. People are surprisingly calm and disciplined, at least for now.

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For those who still think this is "just a flu"

Those military trucks across Bergamo are carrying coffins to other cities of Lombardy region so to proceed with cremation process, as the city and cemetery morgue can’t take the overload.

[Muizer]

Right now, the best thing that could happen is that the states bordering California, Washington, and New York should close their borders to those states.

Or vice versa, but yes, this will inevitably need to happen if/when those states start imposing restrictions on people. Otherwise, people near state borders might get tempted to travel more than they would otherwise do contributing to the spread of the virus. This is why the Dutch-Belgian border was closed, for instance.

On the other hand, if one truely believes the crisis vindicates nationalism, those borders should remain wide open. They're not national borders after all, and you're all americans on either side of state lines. Is that not so, HH?

[Stario]

I'm not sure you realize this but the US can't go on full lockdown because for the past 40 years we have lived in a society literally designed for 40% of the people to live no more than two paychecks ahead and another 20+% to live from paycheck to paycheck. You literally have to be upper class to survive a lockdown in this country. This is literally why the Republicans suddenly like socialism(shh...don't call it that!). Thanks Reagan! Congress would literally have to get together month to month to send EVERYBODY these checks. And that might not work. There are plenty of people making high five figures lower six figures that even with these checks would suddenly find themselves out on their asses unless as a part of emergency powers rent, mortgage, and utility payments were literally suspended. And don't get me started on loans. Which have only had INTEREST put on hold for FEDERAL STUDENT LOANS.

This...

Plus the fact the predicted CFR for COVID-19 is only about 1% which gives it roughly the same odds as dying of injuries suffered in an automobile accident- one will be stupid to go into "full lock down".

Businesses is already suffering- hospitality for example has been hit hard as people aren't eating out as much - restaurants are having difficulty paying rent to landlords & some have alreay gone under- with many soon to follow.
People already loosing their jobs as some restaurants letting staff go in order to survive. AND we haven't even gone full lock down like Europe
-here there is currently 100 people restriction on indoors gathering with like (2m spacing or something to that extent; going from memory here). If we go full lock-down many small businesses will go under that means many will loose their jobs + roof over their heads as people will not be able to pay their mortgages. This will be worst catastrophe than 1% CFR of COVID-19.

[sumskilz]

We should stop being idiots like that guy we have here in the Netherlands, Thierry Baudet

The problem is that dumb s like Trudeau or Macron

I too normally make it a policy not to trust any ethnolinguistic group who can't be bothered to pronounce the consonants at the ends of their words, but they seem to be redeeming themselves with these chloroquine trials.

But will we have mutated Covid-19, back with a vengeance, in 2021? I'm afraid we are in for the long haul.

Unless we get lucky with a treatment, you may be right. The Spanish flu was worse the second time it circulated, and the larger the reproducing population, the greater chance there is of a mutation that bypasses acquired immunity.

and you're all americans on either side of state lines. Is that not so, HH?

I suppose you could be forgiven for making that mistake, but I believe these are Heathen Hammer's people:

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