Coronavirus outbreak - From China to the World.

[Heathen Hammer]

Not bio weapons. If and I repeat if it was a lab accident it was gain function happens in Europe, in the US and Japan and probably Russia and you know all those places have had accidents as well.

Wrong. No accident in those places caused global pandemic. Chinese bioweapons did, as lab leak theory is pretty much confirmed. Only question remains is how intentional it was. Both Chinese regime and its neoliberal assets in the West gained great deal of wealth and power from the pandemic.

[B. W.]

*facepalm* You copy pasted a post of mine that was full of statements. Plural. As in multiple points. What was so confusing about me asking which statement in there you are referring to?

All three paragraphs were stating an opinion. Take your pick.

[PointOfViewGun]

You said they don't need to be forced to get vaccine as elected officials. I'm merely trying to grasp what logic possessed you to make such a statement.

Where did I say that?

That's not my logic, thats what Ludicus's post above mine suggested, although Trump is the most anti-outsourcing president in recent US history, and the article is not about his decisions on outsourcing as POTUS either. but about "Trump products", which ahs nothing to do with Trump's actual decision as POTUS. So nice try, but you didn't even come close to the mark. Do better next time.

That's not really the logic he used but sure... Given how Trump's companies made use of outsourcing far and wide its really hard to classify Trump as an anti-outsourcing person.

All three paragraphs were stating an opinion. Take your pick.

And they all contained multiple points. Since you're being vague as much as possible I can only conclude that you have no sound argument.

[Heathen Hammer]

Where did I say that?

So then you agree that defiance of vaccine mandates is justified, since there is no excuse to force public to take mystery science juice, but not politicians or anyone in court system.

That's not really the logic he used but sure... Given how Trump's companies made use of outsourcing far and wide its really hard to classify Trump as an anti-outsourcing person.

Um no, since his policies were against outsourcing.

[PointOfViewGun]

So then you agree that defiance of vaccine mandates is justified, since there is no excuse to force public to take mystery science juice, but not politicians or anyone in court system.

I don't see asking you to show me where I said something you claimed that I did to be a statement in agreement of anything. Of course, all of this back and forth is your deflection to avoid admitting that your initial questioning was just false. You were confusing executive branch with other branches. Hence, the logic you're putting forward there has no ground to stand on. The current vaccine mandate is coming from the executive branch and covers the executive branch itself. If the Congress passes a law on mandating the vaccines without including themselves then you can start to speak about it.

Um no, since his policies were against outsourcing.

Not in any meaningful sense but that's not really the topic of this thread.

[Heathen Hammer]

It seems like we are going in circles here. Again, why should Courts and Congress be exempt from mandatory vaccines, if they are safe and effective? Try and answer that question without desperate deflections about government branches, whataboutism and buzzwords. Just answer the question.

[PointOfViewGun]

It seems like we are going in circles here. Again, why should Courts and Congress be exempt from mandatory vaccines, if they are safe and effective? Try and answer that question without desperate deflections about government branches, whataboutism and buzzwords. Just answer the question.

You do realize by throwing such obvious projections you merely expose your own failed position?.. Is there a mandate by the Courts or the Congress that exempts themselves from the mandate? It's a yes or no question.

[Heathen Hammer]

You do realize by throwing such obvious projections you merely expose your own failed position?.. Is there a mandate by the Courts or the Congress that exempts themselves from the mandate? It's a yes or no question.

Um, what? So you are now claiming that Congress and Courts are exempt from all laws? I know that America is a very corrupt oligarchy, but I'm pretty sure that at least in theory laws apply to them.

[B. W.]

And they all contained multiple points. Since you're being vague as much as possible I can only conclude that you have no sound argument.

The only one being vague here is when you get caught making statements that can't be substantiated. You continually avoid making a clarification on anything you say because it would require you admitting you were wrong.

Do you still maintain that big pharma makes as much off of off-patent drugs as it does drugs it still has patents on?

Answer the question.

[Heathen Hammer]

I have to say, Dems went fairly quickly from healthcare being human right to be it being priveledge for those that volunteer to alpha-test corporate pharmaceuticals.

[EmperorBatman999]

I have to say, Dems went fairly quickly from healthcare being human right to be it being priveledge for those that volunteer to alpha-test corporate pharmaceuticals.

This development is hardly a surprise, the medical industry has acted in a completely disgraceful way over the past decade, and this pandemic has only made matters worse. No respect for the patient or their rights and wishes, a complete disregard for Hippocrates' principles (especially the "Do No Harm" one), and has consolidated to maximize profit at the expense of ignoring the sanctity of human life. Doctors are not supposed to discriminate in their care regarding the conditions and dispositions of their patient, but nonetheless, they do. It is no wonder why nobody trusts the medical industry and has no respect for what they say or do.

[Cyclops]

This development is hardly a surprise, the medical industry has acted in a completely disgraceful way over the past decade, and this pandemic has only made matters worse. No respect for the patient or their rights and wishes, a complete disregard for Hippocrates' principles (especially the "Do No Harm" one), and has consolidated to maximize profit at the expense of ignoring the sanctity of human life. Doctors are not supposed to discriminate in their care regarding the conditions and dispositions of their patient, but nonetheless, they do. It is no wonder why nobody trusts the medical industry and has no respect for what they say or do.

Look the Hippocratic oath is for doctors, not Big Pharma.

I agree US healthcare is a mess. Two generations of HMO gouging have undermined people's faith in the system. Nixon's modest and rational health plan was discarded and existing healthcare dismantled piece by piece in favour of the current shocking debacle.

[PointOfViewGun]

Um, what? So you are now claiming that Congress and Courts are exempt from all laws? I know that America is a very corrupt oligarchy, but I'm pretty sure that at least in theory laws apply to them.

I'm not sure how any of my statements can be understood to say that the Congress and the Courts are exempt from all laws. Are you sure you're reading what I write carefully? I asked a yes or no question earlier. Is there a law enacted by the Congress mandating vaccine usage while exempting themselves from it?

The only one being vague here is when you get caught making statements that can't be substantiated. You continually avoid making a clarification on anything you say because it would require you admitting you were wrong.
Do you still maintain that big pharma makes as much off of off-patent drugs as it does drugs it still has patents on?
Answer the question.

I have two choices. I can repeat the same statements that I have already made, as they're as simple and direct as they get, and you'd similarly distort them to argue what you wanna argue. Or, I can point out how you've been self-contradictory and vague just to keep on arguing for the sake of arguing. I choose the latter. It makes you make such hilarious statements. You accuse me of making statements that can't be substantiated. One of the statements in question from the paragraphs you vaguely refer to was linking to CDC to showcase when certain variants were first caught. Since those dates dismantle an argument that was made before (that those variants in question were caused by the vaccine) people are either just ignoring it or creating the mess you've made so far to deflect from acknowledging such simple facts about the pandemic. Good luck.

[Heathen Hammer]

Look the Hippocratic oath is for doctors, not Big Pharma.

I agree US healthcare is a mess. Two generations of HMO gouging have undermined people's faith in the system. Nixon's modest and rational health plan was discarded and existing healthcare dismantled piece by piece in favour of the current shocking debacle.

Physicians practiced things like lobotomy and eugenic sterilizations throughout XX century. And it wasn't happening in German Reich, its something America did just some decades ago.
Truth is, health professionals and Big Pharma pushing for horrific medical malpractices is not anything new. Of course they and the media rationalized the lobotomies and eugenics, just like forcing public to alpha-test vaccines is rationalized by media as well, while in both cases dissenters were smeared and silenced.

[B. W.]

I have two choices. I can repeat the same statements that I have already made, as they're as simple and direct as they get, and you'd similarly distort them to argue what you wanna argue. Or, I can point out how you've been self-contradictory and vague just to keep on arguing for the sake of arguing. I choose the latter. It makes you make such hilarious statements. You accuse me of making statements that can't be substantiated. One of the statements in question from the paragraphs you vaguely refer to was linking to CDC to showcase when certain variants were first caught. Since those dates dismantle an argument that was made before (that those variants in question were caused by the vaccine) people are either just ignoring it or creating the mess you've made so far to deflect from acknowledging such simple facts about the pandemic. Good luck.

There's a third choice. You could straight up answer the question.

[B. W.]

Hmmm, more serious problems showing up with people who have been vaccinated:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/id...ated-patients/

[Ludicus]

Hmmm, more serious problems showing up with people who have been vaccinated:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/id...ated-patients/

a 20 times increase of endometrial cancers over what I see on an annual basis,

He is exaggerating, I think, but this is because people have stopped going for routine examinations in the last two years for fear of becoming infected with Covid 19. Here and everywhere.For example,
The impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on cancer deaths Lancet Oncology

Since a national lockdown was introduced across the UK in March, 2020, in response to the COVID-19 pandemic, cancer screening has been suspended, routine diagnostic work deferred, and only urgent symptomatic cases prioritised for diagnostic intervention. In this study, we estimated the impact of delays in diagnosis on cancer survival outcomes in four major tumour types.
we estimate a 7·9–9·6% increase in the number of deaths due to breast cancer up to year 5 after diagnosis, corresponding to between 281 (95% CI 266–295) and 344 (329–358) additional deaths. For colorectal cancer, we estimate 1445 (1392–1591) to 1563 (1534–1592) additional deaths, a 15·3–16·6% increase; for lung cancer, 1235 (1220–1254) to 1372 (1343–1401) additional deaths, a 4·8–5·3% increase; and for oesophageal cancer, 330 (324–335) to 342 (336–348) additional deaths, 5·8–6·0% increase up to 5 years after diagnosis. For these four tumour types, these data correspond with 3291–3621 additional deaths across the scenarios within 5 years.

From your link,

The videos of Dr. Cole at these events, which were originally posted on YouTube, have since been deleted by the Google owned video platform in a continual effort of censorship by Big Tech.

Ah, its' not misinformation, its the Big tech conspiracy...
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Here, private companies are demanding one of two things from workers: the vaccine or the covid 19- test before going to work, in this case, paid by the minority of workers who refuse to be vaccinated.

Paper of day,
Bar-On YM, Goldberg Y, Mandel M, et al. Protection of BNT162b2 Vaccine Booster against Covid-19 in Israel. NEJM September 15, 2021. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.105...=featured_home

Now that we are close to reaching the 85% of fully vaccinated population by the last week of this month. This is exactly what we are going to do. A third dose to all persons who were 60 years of age or older and who had been vaccinated at least 5 months earlier.There is not enough evidence to recommend a third dose for everyone. It would be wrong and would only serve to satisfy the commercial interests of the pharma companies. According to our mathematicians/statisticians, we will now soon reach the endemic stage of the disease. In countries with high rates of vaccination, a new variant that escapes immunity is less likely to appear; a collateral benefit,only achievable if vaccination is global. Vaccination of children seems indispensable.
As we already know, Moderna developing single-dose booster shot for Covid and flu
Before every winter is what will be done routinely, all over the world. At least, it is desirable- although not mandatory.

[Coughdrop addict]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/

Full of stories of those who followed the typical ant-vaxxer pattern:

1: Covid is a HOAX by the Jews/Globalist elites/Obama to undermine Strong Daddy.

2: Those getting vaccinated are SOOOOOO dumb! I'm too smart to get The Mark of The Beast/Bill Gates track microchips/Hillary mind control drugs!

3: Did you know vaccines are a form of Marxism?

4: The vaxxed are all going to die in less than a year. I'm going to burn the bodies with a smile on my face.

5: I don't feel so good.

6: How can I be sick?! It's a hoax! A HOAX! No worse than a cold!

7: OH GOD IT HURTS! I CAN'T BREATHE! WHY IS THIS HAPPENING TO ME?

8: This is his/her family. He/she left us with tens of thousands of dollars in unpaid medical bills and funeral expenses. Give us money please! What? No it's not socialism when WE want free money!

[EmperorBatman999]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/

Full of stories of those who followed the typical ant-vaxxer pattern:

1: Covid is a HOAX by the Jews/Globalist elites/Obama to undermine Strong Daddy.

2: Those getting vaccinated are SOOOOOO dumb! I'm too smart to get The Mark of The Beast/Bill Gates track microchips/Hillary mind control drugs!

3: Did you know vaccines are a form of Marxism?

4: The vaxxed are all going to die in less than a year. I'm going to burn the bodies with a smile on my face.

5: I don't feel so good.

6: How can I be sick?! It's a hoax! A HOAX! No worse than a cold!

7: OH GOD IT HURTS! I CAN'T BREATHE! WHY IS THIS HAPPENING TO ME?

8: This is his/her family. He/she left us with tens of thousands of dollars in unpaid medical bills and funeral expenses. Give us money please! What? No it's not socialism when WE want free money!

I hate this trend on Reddit and the internet at large. It indicates the worst excesses of humanity in our current age, where cheap Schadenfreude has replaced, and has even precluded, any modicum of empathy or sympathy for the sick and the dead, and their living families. Nobody deserves to have death visited upon them in this way.

It shows the internet is making this a colder, less humane world. HCA and other online social spaces has abstracted the concept of human death and suffering to the point where the suffering of others become meaningless except for as entertainment. This trend needs to be stopped.

[Cope]

I hate this trend on Reddit and the internet at large. It indicates the worst excesses of humanity in our current age, where cheap Schadenfreude has replaced, and has even precluded, any modicum of empathy or sympathy for the sick and the dead, and their living families. Nobody deserves to have death visited upon them in this way.

It shows the internet is making this a colder, less humane world. HCA and other online social spaces has abstracted the concept of human death and suffering to the point where the suffering of others become meaningless except for as entertainment. This trend needs to be stopped.

Polarization isn’t confined to the internet. Agitators, propagandists, activists and provocateurs are the primary beneficiaries in a media environment where attention is the most powerful currency. These celebratory death stories aren’t about entertainment; they’re about revenge.