Coronavirus outbreak - From China to the World.

[Heathen Hammer]

Sure Jan. I'll wait until you name names that you never name in your conspiracy theorist rants.

What are you even talking about? Liberals proposed it quite openly, although this time it got thankfully taken down, thanks to the opposition.

[tgoodenow]

Gov. Gretchen Whitmer's Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs warns that prescribing hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for treatment of COVID-19 'without further proof of efficacy' may be investigated for administrative action; reaction from Dr. Jeff Colyer, former Kansas governor.

https://news.yahoo.com/michigan-gove...024111454.html

Where’s the #mybodymychoice crowd at? A politician dictating to healthcare professionals what they can do? Seems a bit hypocritical, no?

[Exarch]

Stop blaming China, my dear haters. I quote Anthony Fauce, once again:


YOu know what really pisses me off? Haters like to hate.
Food for thought. From where solidarity is coming from? from the richest and most powerful country in the world? nope.

It is indeed pathetic and a poor state of affairs; when americans are dying the USG's first instinct is to sanction its enemies and prevent medical help and aid to its allies by stealing face masks and test kits from Italy.

@topic
Woke up this fine Saturday morning in lockdown to hear that America had already reached over 100,000 COVID-19 cases, and at this rate, New York is going to be the epicentre of this pandemic which is going to impact the financial heart of the United States.

US passes 100,000 CASES of Covid-19 after becoming world epicenter for virus - Johns Hopkins University

Source: https://www.rt.com/uk/484332-coronav...-record-cases/

Some U.S. Cities Could Have Coronavirus Outbreaks Worse Than WuhanÂ’s

If the rate of growth in coronavirus cases continues, the New York City metropolitan area will suffer a more severe outbreak than those experienced in Wuhan, China, or the Lombardy region of Italy.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...gtype=Homepage

A friend of mine who lives in NYC told me she has to move upstate with her family to escape the chaos and she's a privileged white female american, the highest in the caste system of america; you know it's bad when the upper castes are needing to ensconce themselves away from the dead and dying.
(In fact the massive disconnect between rich and poor is aggravated by COVID-19, when the millions have been left unemployed, the rich dine on fancy brunches).

Apparently, things are so bad in NYC with doctors and nurses dying that the State Department is giving out free Visas to foreign trained doctors and sending out half baked medical students into the front lines. Guess they get to finally earn those massive physician salaries.


EDIT:
and it appears that the US Navy is not immune to COVID-19, with the latest news being that a US navy carrier had cases of coronavirus forcing them to disembark at Guam to infect the rest of the military personnel there:

[Love Mountain]

Any competence or incompetence displayed by other governments is secondary because they could only react too late to a developing crisis that had been hidden and then misrepresented by the CCP for weeks. The CCP has an established record of exacerbating these kinds of outbreaks for political reasons. This time it caused a global pandemic. I can only assume your rephrasing of my criticism of Trump’s reaction is your way of agreeing with me.

You're downplaying the disastrous preparedness of United States to this crisis. It'd be one thing if public officials, such as the President, spent the time to at least take proper precautions in the event this disease became a pandemic, but as late as end of February, the President laughed off the issue as a Democrat hoax.

It remains to be seen whether China has truly contained the disease there given that information is routinely manipulated and controlled, or what help and solutions are actually available to the world offered by the CCP. Whatever that may ultimately
involve, it doesn’t matter now, because the disease is everywhere. As the study and timeline shows, it is everywhere due in large part to the delay caused by the cover up.

This is a nice way to downplay China's efforts to help other countries in peril. While once again shifting the conversation away from the poor response by Western democracies to deal with the crisis.

[Gaidin]

A friend of mine who lives in NYC told me she has to move upstate with her family to escape the chaos and she's a privileged white female american, the highest in the caste system of america; you know it's bad when the upper castes are needing to ensconce themselves away from the dead and dying.
(In fact the massive disconnect between rich and poor is aggravated by COVID-19, when the millions have been left unemployed, the rich dine on fancy brunches).

Apparently, things are so bad in NYC with doctors and nurses dying that the State Department is giving out free Visas to foreign trained doctors and sending out half baked medical students into the front lines. Guess they get to finally earn those massive physician salaries.

Trump doesn't think New York needs the ventilators they need and is playing it down. They already have 37k sick and 380 dead in the NYC area alone. And they haven't managed to stop the acceleration of the spread yet. They've slowed it, but they haven't stopped it. NYC is one massively crowded place. To wit, NYC hospital is experimenting with putting two people on one ventilator.

But, to put it sarcastically, they apparently will have no need for those ventilators.

Michigan's orders for PPE have either been delayed or cancelled for reroutes to the Federal Government. Not like this was a Defense Production Act order. Trump's only ordered that for GM to make ventilators. The Federal Government is just ripping supplies out from under them while at the same time making them fend for themselves in this mess.

[Lord Thesaurian]

You're downplaying the disastrous preparedness of United States to this crisis. It'd be one thing if public officials, such as the President, spent the time to at least take proper precautions in the event this disease became a pandemic, but as late as end of February, the President laughed off the issue as a Democrat hoax.

This is a nice way to downplay China's efforts to help other countries in peril. While once again shifting the conversation away from the poor response by Western democracies to deal with the crisis.

Your projection of these kinds of false accusations is especially empty given your criticism of US preparedness reiterates my own. There’s no need to construe deft accolades for the CCP’s PR campaign as even handed. The CCP shouldn’t get credit for trying to put out the fire their actions spread across the world, and the rest of the world shouldn’t be expected to have mitigated the effects of the CCP’s failed cover up by reacting to them.

[MacCarthy]

https://news.yahoo.com/michigan-gove...024111454.html

Where’s the #mybodymychoice crowd at? A politician dictating to healthcare professionals what they can do? Seems a bit hypocritical, no?

Could be also to stop doctors hoarding the drug.
https://www.propublica.org/article/d...their-families

[Exarch]

Trump doesn't think New York needs the ventilators they need and is playing it down. They already have 37k sick and 380 dead in the NYC area alone. And they haven't managed to stop the acceleration of the spread yet. They've slowed it, but they haven't stopped it. NYC is one massively crowded place. To wit, NYC hospital is experimenting with putting two people on one ventilator.

But, to put it sarcastically, they apparently will have no need for those ventilators.

Michigan's orders for PPE have either been delayed or cancelled for reroutes to the Federal Government. Not like this was a Defense Production Act order. Trump's only ordered that for GM to make ventilators. The Federal Government is just ripping supplies out from under them while at the same time making them fend for themselves in this mess.

No disagreements there; the situation started off bad, and it's getting worse; there's not enough PPE for health workers and there won't be enough for the police officers and the paramedics nor for the military reservists/national guard who have now been called up; once they start dying, and it's most likely that they will from having to control mobs of coronavirus carriers, they may just decide not to come to work or attend.

Already, we are seeing doctors in America abandoning patients who even exhibit signs and symptoms or who can't pay:

Los Angeles County said a 17-year-old was the youngest US victim of COVID-19. Then it backtracked on the diagnosis.

Source: https://www.businessinsider.com.au/c...20-3?r=US&IR=T

[Coughdrop addict]

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and it appears that the US Navy is not immune to COVID-19, with the latest news being that a US navy carrier had cases of coronavirus forcing them to disembark at Guam to infect the rest of the military personnel there:

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You go ahead and enjoy this Exarch. Don't even attempt to disguise your happiness about US citizens dying. But when (not if) another lethal virus arises in China and the situation once again spirals out of control, don't expect us to sympathize with you.

@Gaidin
Those governors hurt Trump's tender ego by being competent and making him look bad. Now he wants their citizens to suffer for it.

[Exarch]

You go ahead and enjoy this Exarch. Don't even attempt to disguise your happiness about US citizens dying. But when (not if) another lethal virus arises in China and the situation once again spirals out of control, don't expect us to sympathize with you.

Unlike the Americans who were crass enough to make memes and jokes when Chinese people were dying in Wuhan, i'm not enjoying this; i actually want China and America to fight this pandemic together, but that's a little hard to do when Trump officials are committed to making this a Bannonite Race War.

All of the we've seen thus far and will continue to see in the next week have largely been self inflicted, with the equipment shortages, the silencing of doctors and nurses when they speak up about working in a hazardous environment without PPE, hell, this just in today:
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...as-been-fired/

Are doctors and nurses supposed to die just so aging boomers and alt righters can have their Racial Holy War?

@topic
Given the dire situation in the UK, Chinese medical teams have been dispatched to Britain:

https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/1243816811717513217

There is a light at the end of the tunnel though;
In the meantime, Wuhan has resumed normal operations and a cargo train full of aid has been dispatched to Deutschland:

First train with medical supplies for Europe leaves Wuhan as China eases Covid-19 lockdown

28 Mar, 2020 08:04 / Updated 16 minutes ago

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A train bound for Duisburg leaves Wuhan, China. March 28, 2020. © China Daily / Reuters

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Beijing has resumed its railway freight service between Wuhan and Europe by delivering medical aid to Germany as authorities work to lift strict quarantine measures after the number of new cases Covid-19 dropped.
A train loaded with medical supplies and construction materials has left a station in Wuhan, the capital city of China's central Hubei Province, and is set to arrive in the city of Duisburg in Germany in two weeks, Chinese outlet the Global Times reported on Saturday. The delivery will be the first China-EU cargo freight operation from Wuhan since the city was placed under strict quarantine in January after the Covid-19 outbreak.
The first ever Covid-19 cases were recorded in Wuhan in December, after which the city quickly became the epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic. Lockdown and the deployment of thousands of doctors helped to bring the number of new cases there to near zero in recent weeks.
[COLOR=#000000 !important]ALSO ON RT.COMUS passes 100,000 CASES of Covid-19 after becoming world epicenter for virus – Johns Hopkins University[/COLOR]Authorities have been gradually easing travel restrictions in Hubei, with Wuhan's 17 train stations partially resuming work on Saturday. Residents with clean health records will be allowed to leave the city on April 8.
China was the leader in the number of confirmed Covid-19 cases for months, until the epicenter of the pandemic shifted to the US, where more than 100,000 people have tested positive for the disease, according to Johns Hopkins University. Italy has become the second-hardest-hit country in recent days with nearly 86,500 cases, surpassing China’s 81,300.

[Morticia Iunia Bruti]

As Mr. Trump now has given GM the order to produce ventilators, i post here a interview with Stephan Draeger, Company head of Drägerwerk, worldleader in the production of ventilators:

DER SPIEGEL: Car manufacturers and other firms have announced that they can manufacture ventilator components. Is that purely a PR move or is it actually helpful?
Dräger: There is little point in adapting unused production capacity to manufacture respiratory aids. I spoke with Daimler over the weekend. They would also like to help. But it’s unfortunately not so simple. We can’t build cars either. Before we invest too much thought into this, we should focus on getting devices that are sitting around in a basement somewhere back into working order. Or can we repurpose other devices? There is a lot of potential there.
DER SPIEGEL: Where do you think these kinds of reserves would come from?
Dräger: I believe it’s possible to use devices from ambulance service or anesthesiology departments. Such devices aren't meant for long-term respiration, but they can serve that purpose. We estimate that in Germany alone, 5,000 devices could be mobilized from this reserve. To make that possible, hospital staff, of course, need to be instructed in how to use these devices. And it also requires action on behalf of the regulatory authorities.
DER SPIEGEL: The machines are one thing. But ventilating COVID-19 patients is complex. Isn’t the main shortage a scarcity of experts?
Dräger: Yes, I’m afraid. And there is another problem: Germany’s health minister may have taken early action, but it remains unclear how the 10,000 devices he has ordered are to be distributed. As a result, many hospitals are contacting us directly. Despite the hardships, we need to ensure that the resources are distributed in the best way possible and that hospitals aren’t receiving advanced equipment for little money that they do not know how to use.
DER SPIEGEL: What is so demanding about these devices?
Dräger: It’s not about the device, but about the person who is attached to it. You have to be able to evaluate the person’s state and know how to precisely adjust the device to first save the person's life and then ensure that they quickly grow healthy again. This requires years of experience.
DER SPIEGEL: In which country is the supply situation currently especially challenging?
Dräger: In Europe, the number of intensive-care beds per capita is very unequally distributed. In Italy, it is three times lower than here. In England, five times lower. The challenge in England will be greater than in Spain. And the situation in the U.S. is very alarming. The reporting system there is also underdeveloped.

For the whole interview:

https://www.spiegel.de/international...f-cf5ca254b008

[tgoodenow]

Could be also to stop doctors hoarding the drug.
https://www.propublica.org/article/d...their-families

If that’s the case, then call it what it is. If it’s to prevent hoarding, say it’s to prevent hoarding.

The real question I have now is:

https://mobile.twitter.com/A_MoreLif...852224/photo/1

Why the are the NY subway cars this full? This is how this spreads so rapidly there

[ioannis76]

and it appears that the US Navy is not immune to COVID-19, with the latest news being that a US navy carrier had cases of coronavirus forcing them to disembark at Guam to infect the rest of the military personnel there:

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[Ludicus]

Trump pledges cooperation with China's Xi after phone call

"We are working closely together. Much respect!". Trump himself has at times called the coronavirus the “Chinese virus,” a move that has sparked criticism. Trump has refrained from using the term in recent days amid reports of racist and xenophobic behavior toward Chinese Americans.

So, they bury the hatchet of "war" to become for a while fraternal friends.

Trump doesn't think New York needs the ventilators they need and is playing it down. ...But, to put it sarcastically, they apparently will have no need for those ventilators.

There is a pattern of behavior here. A right wing pattern.
Bolsonaro says, mocking the Covid-19 pandemic, "Brazilians have to be studied. They don't catch anything! You see a guy jumping into the sewer over there, gets out, dives in. And nothing happens to him."
Supporters Of Brazil's Bolsonaro Call For Protests Against ...

Right-wing groups in Brazil are summoning their supporters onto the streets...

Very well written,
How the coronavirus has exposed the religious right's racism

On March 10, President Trump retweeted a post from conservative political activist Charlie Kirk, who referred to the coronavirus (COVID-19) as the “China Virus.“. Kirk also exclaimed in his tweet, “Now, more than ever, we need the wall…the US stands a chance if we can get control of our borders.” Trump retweeted this and added the comment, “Going up fast. We need the wall more than ever!”.

New polls show effect of right-wing media's dismissive and ...

Polls from both Gallup and Pew Research revealed that Republicans — who are largely distrustful of mainstream news organizations and primarily turn to Fox News and other right-wing sources for information on current events — were much less likely to take the risks of the coronavirus as seriously as their Democratic counterparts. "Among subgroups, political party identification reflects the starkest differences in levels of worry about coronavirus exposure," concluded Justin McCarthy, an analyst at Gallup.

[Gaidin]

Unlike the Americans who were crass enough to make memes and jokes when Chinese people were dying in Wuhan, i'm not enjoying this; i actually want China and America to fight this pandemic together, but that's a little hard to do when Trump officials are committed to making this a Bannonite Race War.
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All of the we've seen thus far and will continue to see in the next week have largely been self inflicted, with the equipment shortages, the silencing of doctors and nurses when they speak up about working in a hazardous environment without PPE, hell, this just in today:
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...as-been-fired/

Are doctors and nurses supposed to die just so aging boomers and alt righters can have their Racial Holy War?

I have my criticisms of some of China's actions, much like I have criticisms of the United States lack of action. But, moreover, it points less to the country than it does to the person who is running it. Speaking against China he gets a nationalism outlet much like for the first three years he had a nationalism outlet against Central America refugees. But here's the thing. He won't coordinate a national effort against this mess for the fifty states and territories and is largely leaving the governors to fend for themselves. He likes to say he appointed Pence, but he interferes. He tells Pence not to work with X, Y, or Z governor. Luckily Pence typically works with them anyway. But the interference is noted. He won't have companies ramp up production and buy all that is produced and coordinate mass shipping to locations that is needed on levels that is needed. So whatever he says about China, what he doesn't do for America pretty much lines up.

Is his approval up? Yea. Maybe by 10 points depending on your poll. He's subsisting on bumbling news conferences, woe-is-me complaints, offers scant empathy over growing fatalities, and won't do anything substantial. For his own country. Let's look at history. Rising poll numbers in a crisis are pretty normal. In March 1991 Operation Desert Storm and kicking Hussein out of Kuwait shot HW's approval sky-high to 89%. He lost office for the economy. In September 2001 W's approval was at 90%. Bush started two wars, walked out with 24%, and McCain lost the election for the Great Recession not focusing the talk on wars that were actually taking place. The Iran Embassy Seizure and Carter's initial handling of it shot his numbers from 32% to 61% and right back down after a botched rescue effort.

Forget the economy. The economy will come back if the people are here after COVID is taken care of. But Trump is botching this for nationalism and money so badly he wants to just let people die.

[Heathen Hammer]

Trump was one of the first world leaders to actually do something about the pandemic. All while WHO was kissing ass of Chinese government, and other Western leaders kept borders open because of "muh global trade". It is also ironic that criticism of Trump comes from the same side that proclaimed pandemic to be a "nothingburger" and just an excuse to be racist against Asians.

[Beorn]

I am sorry to disappoint you, but if you repeat stupid lies again, and again and again they don't become the truth

[B. W.]

Trump was one of the first world leaders to actually do something about the pandemic. All while WHO was kissing ass of Chinese government, and other Western leaders kept borders open because of "muh global trade". It is also ironic that criticism of Trump comes from the same side that proclaimed pandemic to be a "nothingburger" and just an excuse to be racist against Asians.

Trump was one of the first to institute a China travel ban and the left-wing media, Democratic party, and WHO all criticized him for it to the extent of calling him a racist for doing it.

Unfortunately you can't convince most leftists that it ever happened. This extends to those who actually participated in calling him names for it. What you don't realize is that they can be told to think whatever the left-wing media wants them to think, whenever the left-wing media wants them to think it. What Trump did right was erased from their memory banks and replaced with: "Trump is bad!"

I finally realized yesterday just how bad Trump Derangement Syndrome has infected the left after watching a video of a delivery man spitting on a package he had delivered. I went to the comments section to see what people were saying about it and they weren't even commenting on the video. All the comments except for one was about how bad Trump was. "Trump did this and Trump did that", "Trump spent money in Cuba".

It's crazy! These people have totally lost it. When you see a video of someone doing something despicable and the comments section isn't about the video, but about someone who had absolutely nothing to do with it, you can make the conclusion that those respondents are absolutely loony.

[Ludicus]

Forget the economy. The economy will come back if the people are here after COVID is taken care of. But Trump is botching this for nationalism and money so badly he wants to just let people die.

Very well said.
Here, in Europe, solidarity is in high demand but short supply.north-south economic storm over coronavirus

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[B. W.]

Very well said.
Here, in Europe, solidarity is in high demand but short supply.north-south economic storm over coronavirus

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Well, of course, everybody knows the problems between European countries are Trump's fault. Everything is Trump's fault.

Just more proof of post #758.