Coronavirus outbreak - From China to the World.

[Stario]

During the 2018-19 flu season, the CDC reported approximately 480 flu deaths (ages 0-17).

Comparably, 90 American youth have died from C19 complications from the beginning of the pandemic through mid-August, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics.

More than 46,000 children were hospitalized for flu in that 2018-19 period. The hospitalisation rate among children 5 to 17 was 39.2 children per 100,000 children. For C19, hospitalisation rate is 6 per 100,000 children ages 5 to 17.

@PointOfViewGun
480 flu deaths v 90 C19 deaths. Flu is deadlier than C19 for young people/children.

meanwhile COVID19's IFR for the same age group is 0.020813%.

The link above that you referenced, shows 92 C19 deaths (0-17 years of age group). That's also been beaten by 20019-20 influenza season:
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recently received a report of a child who died of flu in February, bringing the total number of pediatric deaths to 188.

[PointOfViewGun]

@PointOfViewGun
480 flu deaths v 90 C19 deaths. Flu is deadlier than C19 for young people/children.
The link above that you referenced, shows 92 C19 deaths (0-17 years of age group). That's also been beaten by 20019-20 influenza season:
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recently received a report of a child who died of flu in February, bringing the total number of pediatric deaths to 188.

*facepalm* 490 influenza deaths happened from 11.2 million infections. 90 COVID19 deaths happened from 440 thousand infections. This is basic math and statistics. It's unbelievable...

[Stario]

*facepalm* 490 influenza deaths happened from 11.2 million infections. 90 COVID19 deaths happened from 440 thousand infections. This is basic math and statistics. It's unbelievable...

So we proved the flu is more infectious and kills more...

[PointOfViewGun]

So we proved the flu is more infectious and kills more...

*cocks the gun* No, we did not prove that given that we know influenza is left to roam the public freely while COVID19 battles against active measures of social distancing, isolation and transmission prevention. We have proven that COVID19 is about 5 times more deadly than influenza.

[Stario]

*cocks the gun* No, we did not prove that given that we know influenza is left to roam the public freely while COVID19 battles against active measures of social distancing, isolation and transmission prevention. We have proven that COVID19 is about 5 times more deadly than influenza.

I see your point -however, what you're saying above does not disprove my argument -that is, Influenza kills more children/young people (0-17 age group), than COVID-19; interestingly though the 2019-20 flu caused more than double the deaths of C19; despite the lock-downs, social distancing, etc.

Albeit this begs the question? Should influenza (as you put it) be "left to roam the public freely", or should we also destroy the economy and drive a truck through civil liberties every year during seasonal influenza?!

Also, how much of a difference do C19 lockdowns really make?

If we look at Sweden for example, a lower death rate than several European countries that imposed strict lockdowns/curfews, including Belgium, Italy, Spain, and the U.K. The comparison between Sweden and the US is especially striking. The per capita fatality rate in the U.S. recently surpassed Sweden's rate, and the gap is growing since the cumulative death toll is rising much faster in the United States.

[PointOfViewGun]

I see your point -however, what you're saying above does not disprove my argument -that is, Influenza kills more children/young people (0-17 age group), than COVID-19; interestingly though the 2019-20 flu caused more than double the deaths of C19; despite the lock-downs, social distancing, etc.

Albeit this begs the question? Should influenza (as you put it) be "left to roam the public freely", or should we also destroy the economy and drive a truck through civil liberties every year during seasonal influenza?!

Also, how much of a difference do C19 lockdowns really make?

If we look at Sweden for example, a lower death rate than several European countries that imposed strict lockdowns/curfews, including Belgium, Italy, Spain, and the U.K. The comparison between Sweden and the US is especially striking. The per capita fatality rate in the U.S. recently surpassed Sweden's rate, and the gap is growing since the cumulative death toll is rising much faster in the United States.

Influenza doesn't kill more children compared to COVID19. The number of people that died of influenza last year were more than people died of COVID19 this year. Those two are vastly different statements. Left to roam like influenza, we know for a fact that COVID19 will kill more. Many times more. Given that overwhelming majority of kids that die from influenza are not vaccinated despite a readily available vaccine COVID19 is way much more deadly.

Having a lock down doesn't automatically mean mistakes were not made or that the lock down was implemented properly. Sweden's current death per 1 million people sits at 570.3 while New Zealand's current death per 1 million sits at 5.03. New Zealand is a country that did lock down properly. The difference a proper lock down makes? About a factor of 113.

[alhoon]

Please stop repeating the same things over and over. If you have further arguments, present them. If you disagree, and strongly with the other poster, present counter arguments. The ToS does not allow moderators to censor posts because they are considered false by some posters, only if they break the ToS.

[Ukiah]

[Exarch]

Not sure if it's relevant to the thread on the US elections but the head of the US Secret Service is now sick from coronavirus:

White House head of security is 'very ill' with coronavirus, report says

Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...box=1602142606

[Stario]

Not sure if it's relevant to the thread on the US elections but the head of the US Secret Service is now sick from coronavirus:
Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...box=1602142606

Crede Bailey's age is estimated to be in the 60's.

For the 20-49 age group, the survival rate is 99.98% or an IFR of 0.02% (about the same as the flu- see 18-49 age group for the flu virus here -which also happens to have an IFR of 0.02% - albeit this varies from season to season.)

But even for the 50-69 age group, a survival rate of 99.5% is still extremely high.

The point being Coronavirus is NOT deadly to most of the population IE. those in the 0-49 year bracket, have almost zero chance of dying from coronavirus; while for those 50-69 years; the infection fatality rate is still extremely low.

...PLEASE DON'T SUBSCRIBE TO THE MEDIA HYPE!!!

[Ludicus]

A test of leadership,
Dying in a Leadership Vacuum. N Engl J Med 2020; 383:1479-1480. Full-text: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2029812

...But whatever their competence, governors do not have the tools that Washington controls. Instead of using those tools, the federal government has undermined them. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which was the world’s leading disease response organization, has been eviscerated and has suffered dramatic testing and policy failures. The National Institutes of Health have played a key role in vaccine development but have been excluded from much crucial government decision making. And the Food and Drug Administration has been shamefully politicized,³ appearing to respond to pressure from the administration rather than scientific evidence. Our current leaders have undercut trust in science and in government,⁴ causing damage that will certainly outlast them. Instead of relying on expertise, the administration has turned to uninformed “opinion leaders” and charlatans who obscure the truth and facilitate the promulgation of outright lies.
...Reasonable people will certainly disagree about the many political positions taken by candidates. But truth is neither liberal nor conservative. When it comes to the response to the largest public health crisis of our time, our current political leaders have demonstrated that they are dangerously incompetent. We should not abet them and enable the deaths of thousands more Americans by allowing them to keep their jobs

Bingo!
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Covid 19 is ten times more deadly than the Flu ,and much more contagious. For the 2018-2019 flu season in the US there were +- 28,000 flu-related deaths. During the same six months, COV 19 killed 200,000. That's the reason why Trump Covid post deleted by Facebook and hidden by Twitter ...

We remove incorrect information about the severity of Covid-19, and have now removed this post," said Andy Stone, policy communications manager at Facebook.

...An exact mortality rate for Covid-19 is not known, but it is thought to be substantially higher - possible 10 times or more - than most flu strains, according to Johns Hopkins University.

The unbelievable clown tweeted,

Flu season is coming up! Many people every year, sometimes over 100,000, and despite the Vaccine, die from the Flu. Are we going to close down our Country? No, we have learned to live with it, just like we are learning to live with Covid, in most populations far less lethal!!!

Just a couple of days ago, Trump was afraid to die.Trump asks staff whether he 'will die like Chela?'

Now, the clown says: "Don't be afraid of Covid".What a jerk!

[Exarch]

Crede Bailey's age is estimated to be in the 60's.

Therefore according to the IFR data by CDC, his survival rate is 99.5% (50-69 age group).

Fact is for children 0-17 (age group), the flu is deadlier;

For the 20-49 age group, the survival rate is 99.98% or an IFR of 0.02% (about the same as the flu- see 18-49 age group for the flu virus here -which also happens to have an IFR of 0.02% - albeit this varies from season to season.)

But even for the 50-69 age group, a survival rate of 99.5% is still extremely high.

The point being Coronavirus is NOT deadly to most of the population IE. those in the 0-49 year bracket, have almost zero chance of dying from coronavirus; while for those 50-69 years; the infection fatality rate is still extremely low.

...PLEASE DON'T SUBSCRIBE TO THE MEDIA HYPE!!!

It's a novel coronavirus, of course we should be concerned; already the long term effects are being revealed for the young and others who survive: heart attacks, strokes, decreased cognitive function-no good that can come of being infected with COVID-19.

And then to have this virus afflicted onto someone already mentally impaired and in the White House...., we are screwed. When Trump got his coronavirus diagnosis, planes designed for command and control nuclear attacks were deployed.

[Ludicus]

And then to have this virus afflicted onto someone already mentally impaired and in the White House..

Poor virus, infected by Trump...
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Tears came to my eyes when I read the news.



Texas doctor, 28, dies of Covid: 'She wore the same mask for ...

The median age of death from Covid for medical staff is 57, compared with 78 in the general population. About one-third of the deaths involved concerns over inadequate PPE.
Amid national shortages, Maureen said her sister faced a particular challenge with PPE. “Adeline had an N95 mask and had her name written on it,” she said. “Adeline wore the same N95 for weeks and weeks, if not months and months.”

[Infidel144]

A week old, but Michigan's Supreme Court ruled Governor Frau Gretchen had overstepped her authority and utilized an unconstitutional provision:
"We conclude that the Governor lacked the authority to declare a “state of
emergency” or a “state of disaster” under the EMA after April 30, 2020, on the basis of the
COVID-19 pandemic. Furthermore, we conclude that the EPGA is in violation of the
Constitution of our state because it purports to delegate to the executive branch the
legislative powers of state government-- including its plenary police powers-- and to allow
the exercise of such powers indefinitely. As a consequence, the EPGA cannot continue to
provide a basis for the Governor to exercise emergency powers."
https://courts.michigan.gov/Courts/M...estions-OP.pdf


Frau Gretchen says she will continue to use her authority even after the 21 days she was granted by the court:
“It is important to note that this ruling does not take effect for at least 21 days, and until then, my emergency declaration and orders retain the force of law. Furthermore, after 21 days, many of the responsive measures I have put in place to control the spread of the virus will continue under alternative sources of authority that were not at issue in today’s ruling."
https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9...1283--,00.html


And in Pennsylvania a stay was put on a judgement that found Pennsylvania's restrictions unconstitutional:
"The 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals put a hold on U.S. District Judge William Stickman IV's ruling overturning statewide limits on crowd sizes and other measures the governor and secretary of health had imposed to halt the virus.
The two-page order signed by judges D. Brooks Smith, Michael Chagares and Patty Shwartz said only that the request for a stay pending appeal is granted. The judges provided no analysis or explanation.
Judge Stickman of the Western District of Pennsylvania in Pittsburgh had ruled Sept. 14 that the state's limits on indoor and outdoor gatherings violate Pennsylvania citizens' constitutional rights. Gov. Wolf's restrictions had capped indoor gatherings at 25 people and outdoor gatherings at 250."
https://www.post-gazette.com/news/cr...s/202010010140

[Ukiah]

[B. W.]

I've been tracking this guy since February. He seems totally unbiased and, for my money, gives the best information on the virus. Well worth watching.

Here he is last February calling out the WHO for not declaring a pandemic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL7oGRKETZM

He has also said that most of the people who make it to the top of major medical organizations do it by political skills rather than medical expertise.

[Ukiah]

I've been tracking this guy since February.

Same here. After I started to click on the pandemic warning videos in January, I continuously get guys like him on YouTube. I think those who realized the seriousness of this pandemic and the coming lockdowns very late are the ones who didn't click those videos in January and February. The YouTube algorithm stopped suggesting them those videos for a while.

In late December and January, many whistleblowers in Wuhan uploaded their videos on the Chinese sites. Before those videos got deleted, people uploaded it on YouTube. As early as January, I watched videos of people in Wuhan collapsing on the streets and the numerous body bags. There were even Chinese whistleblowers who strongly criticized their government. There are many people who studied Mandarin where I live, and some of them translated the Chinese whistleblowers with subtitles. Soon, people in the other countries started to translate into English. I tried to warn people, but many of them (including most of my family and friends) avoided those videos. They thought I was overreacting. Unfortunately, YouTube/Google had all of these videos deleted. Very few of the YouTube channels still have some of those videos (which would take a long time to find because one would have to go way back), and those channels got demonetized. I can find them for you if you're interested. Those who missed out have no idea how this outbreak was handled so badly early on. It's different now, but I still get strange looks if I talk about how this was mishandled before it became a pandemic.

Here he is last February calling out the WHO for not declaring a pandemic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL7oGRKETZM

I know. Many like him called out the WHO. These guys tried to warn people since January:





And here they are calling out the WHO:





The first time that I became aware was from this article that was posted in January 4:

https://www.scmp.com/video/china/304...ak-wuhan-china

It made me aware that this actually began in 2019, which was later confirmed in the March articles.

[Exarch]

A great read from The Lancet on China's gold standard in controlling COVID-19 and SARS-Cov-2.

While the world is struggling to control COVID-19, China has managed to control the pandemic rapidly and effectively. How was that possible? Talha Burki reports.

Source: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...800-8/fulltext

Careful, QAnon types, the above is what's called a scientific paper from actual scientists not blonde chicks from Fox News.

Incidentally,

UK govt scientists are being blocked from speaking to media because of what is being called the “difficult political landscape.” One contributor to research we are publishing tonight was banned from speaking to a journalist this morning. Welcome to the totalitarian state of GB.

https://twitter.com/richardhorton1/s...554506753?s=20

Earlier The Economist had this to say:

[Ludicus]

From Covid Reference,
WHO Solidarity Trial Consortium, Pan, H, Peto R, et al. Repurposed antiviral drugs for COVID-19; interim WHO SOLIDARITY trial results. medRxiv 2020, posted 15 October. Full-text: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.10.15.20209817

Will remdesivir soon join the hydroxychloroquine and lopinavir graveyard? Interim results from the Solidarity Therapeutics Trial, coordinated by the World Health Organization, indicate that remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir and interferon regimens appear to have little or no effect on hospitalized COVID-19, as indicated by overall mortality, initiation of ventilation and duration of hospital stay. This paper is currently being peer-reviewed.

[Exarch]

The pandemic is going to cost the entire United States their entire yearly GDP; everything americans earned this year will have been for naught

The $16 TRILLION bug: Pandemic could cost US economy its entire annual output

Source: https://www.rt.com/business/503350-c...ts-us-economy/