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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    We have plenty of "progressive" politicians mumbling about "virus not having nationality" as justification for keeping open travel, despite the fact that this is how the virus was spreading.
    Kay Ivey, Ron DeSantis, Bill Lee, and Kevin Stitt would take issue with being called progressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yayattasa View Post
    I find it entertaining how every single post of yours is about globalism and liberals, and your fantasy scenarios where current leaders won't be re-elected or whatever because you think it so. Keep it up I guess.
    That's because globalist liberal politicians in the West have failed to contain the pandemic and made it worse. I didn't say anything about any upcoming elections, but pretty much everyone with reasonable grasp of reality will acknowledge that the current situation is the beginning of the end of the current status quo.

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    Guys, we are at fault for taking what Heathen Hammer says seriously. His main argument is to frame socialism with anything bad while framing Trump with the good. He does that by lying about the most basic things that you can disprove with a simple Google search. So far, whenever his claims met with any concrete numbers or data disproving his allegations he chose to ignore them and jump to new allegations, or to simply repeat the same failed arguments. Such tactics, the use of blatantly intellectually dishonest arguments, are what degenerates the society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yayattasa View Post
    I find it entertaining how every single post...is about globalism and liberals
    In fact, that's how communist propaganda works.
    I hope I'm not offending nobody. Here the Socialist Party returned to power to after four years of leading a minority government supported by the Left Bloc and the Communist Party, trusted partners. But sincerely...they always repeat the same refrain over and over. I'm used to it.



    But there is a huge difference. They never use intellectually dishonest arguments. They have my respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludicus View Post
    A false statement; a false correlation. Much on the contrary. How Republicans and Democrats Think About Coronavirus
    Red and Blue America Aren’t Experiencing the Same Pandemic


    Check Live Flight Tracker FlightAware in the US. China contained virus...

    As a side note-in fact, viruses have no nationality, in doubt ask Trump's scientific adviser, Dr.Fauci.
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    Italy ordered a nationwide quarantine, followed by Spain and Greece and France.
    Share of French people willing to accept quarantine measures in order to contain the spread of the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) in France in 2020 : 70%
    What about Conservative Americans?
    I have to take issue with that article from the Atlantic. They made some false claims about Houston. The mayor of Houston was urging people to attend the Rodeo by claiming that Houston had no corona virus cases. Two days later he was forced to shut it down after thousands had attended and were exposed. I couldn't believe he went forward with it in the first place. And don't get me wrong. I actually like Houston's mayor. He's a nice guy, but he has made some terrible decisions. During Harvey he was urging people to state home and after they were flooded in he told them they needed to evacuate. It would have meant driving their cars through 12 feet of water.

    And the claim by Hildago that Houston couldn't close its borders to other parts of the state is a misleading premise. People from other parts of the state don't want to go to Houston and they don't want leftists from Houston going to their part of the state.

    If the examples about Texas in the article are false, and they are, one can only assume the rest of the article is BS as well.

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    The Dutch are fiddling whilst their people die; there's no difference between KN95 and N95; both are made in the same place with the same specs; american regulators of course say they only accept N95 because they have a captured market but they're both made of the same material.

    But hey, if it means less annoying people in the world, i guess that's for the win eh.

    So China went out and bought all the good supplies for their own country while they were lying about the seriousness of the virus. Now selling the world junk products because they took all the good stuff.
    China was dealing with a massive health epidemic in feb; of course Chinese people were going to buy up supplies to send back home-kinda curious why americans or any other western nation didn't have that sense of civic duty; you'd think that being the Shining City on the Hill, being a liberal democracy meant that people would be inclined to do just that.

    but nah, the USG specifically along with other western governments ed up by laughing at the dying in Wuhan and not stocking up for when the pandemic would hit their cities.

    And now their own people are dying, in droves.

    You tell me who's the crappier leadership.


    Thanks China

    WHO was kissing Chinese ass while China was covering up. That’s why the tweet from WHO on January 14th claiming “don’t worry, China says human to human transmission of coronavirus doesn’t happen”. Same reason they took so long to declare pandemic. Same reason WHO assistant director refused to answer a question about Taiwan yesterday because they “already talked about China”. WHO is a Chinese mouthpiece at this point.

    https://www.hongkongfp.com/2020/03/2...ds-video-call/
    LOL just coz WHO doesn't toe your Bannonite line, they must be china shills? Gotta love the logic of sinophobes. The world's changing and it couldn't have come at a better time; China's role in the world has been a matter of life and death for countries in europe and asia-especially countries which the white supremacist USG had sworn to protect.

    Problem is, is that carriers and planes don't do against coronaviruses; medical teams, especially with firsthand knowledge as Chinese scientists/doctors now have, are the only things that matter in this fight.

    Oh yeah, about the Land of the Free, Home of The Brave; that doesn't count for against Coronavirus:
    Worker at NYC hospital where nurses wear trash bags as protection dies from coronavirus
    Source: https://nypost.com/2020/03/25/worker...rce=reddit.com

    And when goes bad, the government mouthpieces of the west start trying to find scapegoats; for instance boris johnson who's looking at quintuple digit deaths is looking to save his administration by blaming china; ditto with trump. That's why alt-right losers like sargon of akkad and molyneux are now talking about 'make china pay' like the intellectual heavyweights that they are.

    Look how ed the situation in america is right now:




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    Interestingly, US scientists have now discovered that the coronavirus could not have come from Wuhan:

    Coronavirus: pathogen could have been spreading in humans for years, study says


    • Virus may have jumped from animal to humans long before the first detection in Wuhan, according to research by an international team of scientists
    • Findings significantly reduce the possibility of the virus having a laboratory origin, director of the US National Institute of Health says


    Source: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/scie...humans-decades

    that's good because 150,000 americans aren't going to be bullied and called Bat Eaters by low class idiots.

    In positive news, China leads the fight against coronavirus:
    https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/...44793393217536
    Last edited by Exarch; March 30, 2020 at 12:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    The Dutch are fiddling whilst their people die; there's no difference between KN95 and N95; both are made in the same place with the same specs; american regulators of course say they only accept N95 because they have a captured market but they're both made of the same material.

    But hey, if it means less annoying people in the world, i guess that's for the win eh.
    Funny how you mix a source with claims that are not in the article. The masks sold by China failed to deliver protection. That's what the article said, no mixup about standards. China sold defective goods, again. Like the tests sold to Czech Republic and Spain:
    https://www.euractiv.com/section/cor...ses-4000-mark/

    Meanwhile, Czech BIS (intelligence service) warned about Chinese embassy organizing buyouts of medical supplies through intermediaries in Czech Republic to be either resold at higher prices or sent to China. One involved individual was specifically named as Zhou Lingjian, who happened to own that confiscated shipment supposedly headed to Italy.
    So far, I have only Czech sources, I'll see if there'll be something in English later, like in the case of defective tests.

    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    EDIT:
    Interestingly, US scientists have now discovered that the coronavirus could not have come from Wuhan:


    Source: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/scie...humans-decades

    that's good because 150,000 americans aren't going to be bullied and called Bat Eaters by low class idiots.
    I see you don't let your total ignorance of science get in the way of your sinophilic apologism.
    The SARS-CoV-2 evolved a quartet of traits that turned it into current pandemic. Bat-human jump, high human-human transmission rate, capability of induce severe lung inflammation in humans and pre-symptomatic transmission. The virus with whole quartet of these traits appeared first in Wuhan, according to all epidemiological data. So far, prevailing hypothesis was that the bat-human jump was the last of the quartet. That wouldn't be that unusual, when virus jumps species it often displays prominent features that were subdued in its previous host, measles, which jumped species some 1000 years ago, would be a good example, as its ancestor causes different symptoms in livestock. This study indicates that this jump for SARS-CoV-2 might have occured earlier, and the final trait that caused this pandemic was a different one. But it doesn't change the fact tat this pandemic originated in China, nor it makes it impossible for China to be the origin of bat-human transmission...just equally likely as any other country.
    Last edited by Sar1n; March 30, 2020 at 03:04 AM. Reason: typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post

    EDIT:
    Interestingly, US scientists have now discovered that the coronavirus could not have come from Wuhan:


    Source: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/scie...humans-decades
    Seems like a half truth propaganda. It's one the theories the researchers wrote, which the PRC wishes to have out front.

    "1. Natural selection in an animal host before zoonotic transfer


    "As many early cases of COVID-19 were linked to the Huanan market in Wuhan1,2, it is possible that an animal source was present at this location. Given the similarity of SARS-CoV-2 to bat SARS-CoV-like coronaviruses2, it is likely that bats serve as reservoir hosts for its progenitor."
    Malayan pangolins (Manis javanica) illegally imported into Guangdong province contain coronaviruses similar to SARS-CoV-221. Although the RaTG13 bat virus remains the closest to SARS-CoV-2 across the genome1, some pangolin coronaviruses exhibit strong similarity to SARS-CoV-2"

    "It would also be helpful to obtain more genetic and functional data about SARS-CoV-2, including animal studies. The identification of a potential intermediate host of SARS-CoV-2, as well as sequencing of the virus from very early cases, would similarly be highly informative." - doubt China will release any of that data





    The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2


    Last edited by MacCarthy; March 30, 2020 at 03:12 AM.

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    https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/03/2...al-song-video/

    Popular Turkish singer wishes coronavirus to hit Greece, Russia and US in viral song

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    The problem with fake news is that the ignorant will believe what they want to believe irrespective of facts and reality.

    And nowhere is this more evident than those wannabe americans:
    Quote Originally Posted by Sar1n View Post
    Funny how you mix a source with claims that are not in the article. The masks sold by China failed to deliver protection. That's what the article said, no mixup about standards. China sold defective goods, again. Like the tests sold to Czech Republic and Spain:
    https://www.euractiv.com/section/cor...ses-4000-mark/
    Sorry, but the Czechs proved themselves inept at using testing kits properly; for instance they didn't know the difference between nucleotide tests and PCR tests.

    Also, kinda shameless of Czechia to be whining over testing kits when they're busy stealing items from the Chinese Red Cross, which includes face masks meant for those in need in Europe: http://www.xhby.net/index/202003/t20..._6569617.shtml

    Also, why would the Czechs steal Chinese medical equipment, including face masks and testing kits, meant for Italians, if it is so useless? (source in Italian):
    https://www.repubblica.it/esteri/202...lia-251883320/


    Oh and about the Spanish:

    The Spanish to their credit acknowledged their error and have committed to buying more Chinese medical supplies to aid in the fight against COVID-19:
    Coronavirus: Spain’s foreign minister hopes health crisis can lead to closer ties with Chinese medical equipment suppliers


    • Arancha González Laya says the Covid-19 pandemic has brought into focus her country’s neglect for its health service
    • She also hopes countries can work together on the development of a vaccine


    Source: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...lth-crisis-can

    It's a pity the Czechs can't be more like the Hungarians: Victor Orban welcoming Chinese aid, 3 million masks, 100,000 testing kits and 86 ventilators. Given the smaller population of Czechia, you'd think they'd value their citizens' lives more.




    The problem with your sort of disinformation by the CIA is that it actually is going to cost people their lives; masks work, especially against COVID-19-western governments try to say they don't because they don't have any, and the few that they do have, are rationed out to medical staff who are forced to wear garbage bags as protection.

    That the Dutch who are hardcore believers in "Herd Immunity" would choose to make this a political game merely speaks to the cold blooded nature of their leadership.
    Not wearing masks to protect against coronavirus is a ‘big mistake,’ top Chinese scientist says
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...scientist-says

    Oh and btw the US CDC had to recall their test kits because they were useless against coronavirus detection-and they had all the time in the world to prepare and plan accordingly.

    Any medical professional knows that COVID-19 diagnosis also include a chest CT scan-something which Chinese doctors discovered when it came to diagnosing this novel coronavirus, not just nucleotide tests.

    Meanwhile, Czech BIS (intelligence service) warned about Chinese embassy organizing buyouts of medical supplies through intermediaries in Czech Republic to be either resold at higher prices or sent to China. One involved individual was specifically named as Zhou Lingjian, who happened to won that confiscated shipment supposedly headed to Italy.
    So far, I have only Czech sources, I'll see if there'll be something in English later, like in the case of defective tests.
    The SARS-CoV-2 evolved a quartet of traits that turned it into current pandemic. Bat-human jump, high human-human transmission rate, capability of induce severe lung inflammation in humans and pre-symptomatic transmission. The virus with whole quartet of these traits appeared first in Wuhan, according to all epidemiological data. So far, prevailing hypothesis was that the bat-human jump was the last of the quartet. That wouldn't be that unusual, when virus jumps species it often displays prominent features that were subdued in its previous host, measles, which jumped species some 1000 years ago, would be a good example, as its ancestor causes different symptoms in livestock. This study indicates that this jump for SARS-CoV-2 might have occured earlier, and the final trait that caused this pandemic was a different one. But it doesn't change the fact tat this pandemic originated in China, nor it makes it impossible for China to be the origin of bat-human transmission...just equally likely as any other country.
    care to provide proof? Because the scientific consensus is that the origins of SARS-Cov2 is still a mystery, but if you have scientific data you'd like to share i'm sure the CDC (both Chinese and US) would be interested to know.

    In fact, American doctors now turn to Chinese doctors for their expertise:
    Desperate for Covid-19 answers, U.S. doctors turn to colleagues in China
    Source: https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/24/...turn-to-china/


    Quote Originally Posted by [URL="https://www.twcenter.net/forums/member.php?142614-MacCarthy"
    MacCarthy[/URL]]Seems like a half truth propaganda. It's one the theories the researchers wrote, which the PRC wishes to have out front.

    "1. Natural selection in an animal host before zoonotic transfer
    Chinese communist spies in the below have stated treasonously that:
    Though there could be other possibilities, the scientists said the coronavirus carried a unique mutation that was not found in suspected animal hosts, but was likely to occur during repeated, small-cluster infections in humans.
    The study, conducted by Kristian Andersen from the Scripps Research Institute in California, Andrew Rambaut from the University of Edinburgh in Scotland, Ian Lipkin from Columbia University in New York
    , Edward Holmes from the University of Sydney, and Robert Garry from Tulane University in New Orleans, was published in the scientific journal Nature Medicine on March 17.
    Bigger question is why Italy and the US observed cases of COVID-19 well before Wuhan was locked down? Especially amongst American military personnel such as the ones on the death ship carrier that just berthed in guam? they never visited China, never docked in China, only docking in Vietnam in January before Vietnam had cases.

    It's far more likely that this was a US made coronavirus that they lost control of and now the entirety of the US population is now at risk.

    Latest reports put the US on track for 150k infected:


    The stupid thing is that all those deaths could have been prevented if these nations listened to China and took action rather than succumbing to the easy thrill of racist China bashing and meming over bat soup; ponder on that the next time you're fighting someone else so that your loved one can get a ventilator
    Last edited by Abdülmecid I; March 30, 2020 at 06:14 AM. Reason: Disruptive.

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    I love how Greece is obsessed about Turks and Turkey much more than their own country. Only a Greek supposedly news website would label an obscure Turkish singer as popular. I truly pity your attempts to conduct anti-Turkish campaign even in this thread about corona virus.
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    Please remember that this thread is about the Coronavirus epidemic and not your grudges against China, Turkey, Greece and the Czech Republic. Also, let's not forget that insults and personal references are not allowed, according to the site's rules.

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    "Parliament in Hungary is expected to pass an extension to the emergency law which would give the authorities extraordinary powers during the covid-19 pandemic. Such bill would allow Orban to rule by decree.

    Opposition parties and human rights groups have expressed concern, warning that the new law gives excessive power to the Prime Minister, Viktor Orban".

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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/wuhan-res...164859600.html

    China's numbers on infections and deaths are definitely not accurate
    Last edited by Vanoi; March 30, 2020 at 04:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/wuhan-res...164859600.html

    China's numbers on infections and deaths definitely isn't accurate.
    Like the Soviet Union before it, this obsession with image and secrecy will be the doom of China. Eventually another, larger disaster will occur. And just like the Soviets with Chernobyl the PRC's first and only thought will be it's image, with the lives of it's citizens not even considered. They will ignore it, then try to cover it up, and by the time they admit there is a problem it will be far more expensive to fix and have cost many more lives then it would have otherwise.

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    People thought Tiananmen was equivalent to the fall of the Berlin Wall for the CCP. I guess even after tens of millions of victims and attracting trillions of dollars in western capital and intellectual wealth, people still underestimate the Politburo’s political durability. Now, as then, as the world community lacks the will to do anything about the CCP, even after the authoritarian cover up that caused a global pandemic. And so the Politburo will continue to become more powerful. Communism won’t be going anywhere in China for a long, long time. Any mainland Chinese who has a different take on that will be dealt with quickly and quietly, as they have been for decades.

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    Presuming it is true, and not just western imperialist propaganda, if an open and free society such as the Peoples Republic of China would engage in some minor fibbing about this, just think what the decadent countries of the oppressive imperialist west are doing with their numbers....

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    Western politicians may talk the talk by shedding crocodile tears for the human rights violations within China, but will they walk the walk and stop funding Chinese government via trade relations?

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    Democrats are claiming that Trump isn't doing enough about the corona virus and that they would be doing a much better job. This is what they said just a couple of months ago:

    https://michaelsavage.com/democrats-...-the-pandemic/

    Just think where we would be if the Democrats had been in control when those decisions were made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. W. View Post
    Just think where we would be if the Democrats had been in control when those decisions were made.
    Not squandering precious time ignoring the pandemic and calling it a hoax?
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