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    Stario does highlight the different approaches that Australia's state governments have had to encouraging and enforcing lockdowns.

    Specifically on civil liberties, Stario highlights how the conservative government in New South Wales has asked for army help with enforcement of lockdowns.

    The army has aided in lockdowns across Australia since the beginning - usually this help has come in the form of logistics expertise, or support manpower for testing centres and call centres. During Victoria's extended lockdown last year, the army were asked to help state police with lockdown management in a minimal-public-facing way - things like traffic management at police check points, and contact tracing at call centres. Jobs that allowed more police to focus on public facing duties. The Labour government went to great lengths to reassure the public that this wasn't going to be a case of military enforcement of civilian regulations and avoid the possible PR nightmare of a photo of someone in army uniform forcing someone to do something against their will. On the other hand, as mentioned, New South Wales' Liberal (conservative) government have directly referenced enforcement of lockdowns as the context under which the army will be operating - when taken alongside the areas of operation including some of Sydney's lower socio-economic suburbs - this is bound to generate friction - the army enforcing home detention to poorer suburbs with higher migrant and refugee populations. Wonderful PR.

    I do find the role differentiation to be interesting. New South Wales' Liberal government did come to power on a law and order platform, and similarly to other Anglo-commonwealth governments, the Liberals have been known to toy with more direct and authoritarian style of leadership in the past. However one of the hallmarks of Berejiklian's Liberal government (and Australian Liberal governments of the last 30 years in general) has been in line with the global trend towards personal responsibility. They have resisted mask mandates, resisted lockdowns, resisted shop closures and leaned heavily on the language of responsibility. There is irony in her government using the army in an enforcement role, as opposed to Victoria's Labor government going to lengths to keep the army from an enforcement role, while at the same time pushing traditional Labor big government-interventionist policy.

    Certainly it is a mixed message to stress personal responsibility in the Covid response, only to switch up and ask the army to enforce mandates when they do come along. I don't think you can blame anyone for being upset at this use of army resource after a year and a half relatively successfully minimising the use of lockdown.
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    California’s biggest state worker union challenges Gavin Newsom’s vaccine order
    "The head of the largest union in California state government signaled on Wednesday that he intends to fight Gov. Gavin Newsom’s mandate that all state employees either provide proof of vaccination or else wear masks and submit to regular COVID-19 testing.


    “Local 1000 Listens to You! Cease & Desist against GAVIN! Finally a REAL LABOR UNION fighting for ALL of its represented employees!” SEIU Local 1000 President Richard Louis Brown wrote on Twitter Wednesday morning."
    https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics...53086908.htmlr

    I wonder if pathetic coward Nazis would say The CA-SEIU must be declared a terrorist organization, its membership enemy combatants and its leaders shipped off to GITMO.

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    Doctor who invented the mRNA vaccines claims the vaccine is the cause of more virulent variants. Also, vaccinated people are contributing to the spread of Crona:

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...is_lethal.html

    Watch the embedded video. It's only ten minutes and it answers a lot of questions.

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    Covid: Biden calls on states to offer $100 cash payments for ...
    2 maps that explain how partisanship has poisoned our fight ...
    The higher the former President's winning percentage is in a state, the lower, generally speaking, the percentage of the population that has been vaccinated.
    One thing is certain: vaccine refusal is prevalent in states that voted Trump.

    COVID-19: GOP Now Urges People to Get Vaccines After Anti ...

    At the recent CPAC, attendees celebrated the failure of Biden's goal to vaccinate 70% of adults. Now top Republicans have U-turned, urging people to get their jab.
    Better late than never, but they won't be very successful: the Republican Party doesn't belong to them, it's the party of Trump. It became the party of one man only.

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    Doctor who invented the mRNA vaccines
    False, he did not not invent the mRNA vaccines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludicus View Post
    One thing is certain: vaccine refusal is prevalent in states that voted Trump.

    COVID-19: GOP Now Urges People to Get Vaccines After Anti ...



    Better late than never, but they won't be very successful: the Republican Party doesn't belong to them, it's the party of Trump. It became the party of one man only.
    Having your voters and typical source of grassroots donations default into the control group isn't a fun thing.
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    Latest REACT-1 study findings show COVID-19 infection rates 3 times lower for double vaccinated people
    · Interim findings covering 24 June to 5 July from Imperial College London and Ipsos MORI show infections have quadrupled since the last REACT-1 study, which took place from 20 May to 7 June, with 1 in 170 people infected and a recent doubling time of 6 days
    · Infection rates for double vaccinated under-65s are 3 times lower than in unvaccinated under-65s, demonstrating the impact of the vaccination roll out
    Same here- as we slowly decrease the confinement measures, initially,the incidence inevitably increases, but the incidence dropped today, and the Rt is now decreasing (0.98) thanks to the increased rate of vaccination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludicus View Post

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    False, he did not not invent the mRNA vaccines.
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    The Unlikely Pioneer Behind mRNA Vaccines - The New York Times ...
    Yeah, because you know you can count on the NYT to tell you the truth, especially when it concerns someone who is going against Crona propaganda:

    https://www.rwmalonemd.com/about-us

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. W. View Post
    Yeah, because you know you can count on the NYT to tell you the truth, especially when it concerns someone who is going against Crona propaganda:

    https://www.rwmalonemd.com/about-us
    Having your voters and typical source of grassroots donations default into the control group... and I literally don't need a source for that. Because if they aren't sticking up they're in the control group...isn't a fun thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    Having your voters and typical source of grassroots donations default into the control group... and I literally don't need a source for that. Because if they aren't sticking up they're in the control group...isn't a fun thing.

    I tried to get Google translate to convert this into English but it couldn't do it.

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    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...since-start-of

    The really insidious thing about covid denial/anti-vax in my opinion isn't the crackpot beliefs themselves, but the ideological goals that these beliefs ultimately serve. When these people accuse everyone who lost a family member to covid of lying and talk about vaccines as if they were some form of witchcraft, realize these ideas are being fed to them by those who want to keep these same people angry, scared and stupid and thus easy to manipulate.
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    Its almost like trying to dehumanize people for not willing to alpha-test a rushed experimental Big Phrama product is counter-productive or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    Across The South, COVID-19 Vaccine Sites Missing From Black And Hispanic Neighborhoods


    It's fun to make fun of minorities but its quite easy to use Google as well...
    It is the typical narrative to blame racism for everything.

    Seldom discussed is the reluctance of the black community to get the vaccine

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...y-covid-jab-uk

    https://chicagopolicyreview.org/2021...can-do-better/

    The distrust of blacks is as much as factor for tge low rates of vaccination as the alleged lack of access. Black
    communities distrust of the medical community goes well beyond the US, and has unfortunate side effects. That South Africa has a widespread denialism that HIV causes AIDS and South Africa had one of the highest rates of AIDS in the world are not unrelated. The low rates of vaccination among blacks is just another aspect of this distrust.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/...n_South_Africa

    NPR typical of the left's total commitment to dishonesty and blaming racism neglects for everything neglects to explain to the factors why there are fewer sites in black communities administrating covid shots. Many of the sites administrating COVID vaccines are commercial stores like Walmart are fewer in black neighborhoods due to theft and crime making these facilities uneconomical. Liberals and blacks blame racism for the lack os shopping services in black communities yet ignore the high crime committed by blacks that have driven these stores from black neighborhoods. That fewer covid vaccination sites are available in black neighborhood is directly related to the lack of these stores in black neighborhoods due to black crime.

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyl...ifornia-stores
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    Who would have thought that after being subjected to decades of countless harmful social experiments by US government, African Americans would develop a degree of distrust to US government. Clearly this is white rural people's fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Who would have thought that after being subjected to decades of countless harmful social experiments by US government, African Americans would develop a degree of distrust to US government. Clearly this is white rural people's fault.
    Except the distrust is not confined to just the US. Black distrust of medicine is also seen in places like the UK, that did not have the same history. It seems like the liberals themselves are responsible for the distrust among the among tbe black community, and the deaths that resulted from that distrusted. The liberals have encouraged the false narrative and distrust, creating the unfortunate circumstances we see.

    Instead of dealing with the actual causes, liberals blame everything in systemic racism. Which does not fix anything and causes increased polarization and distrust. The reason there are fewer covid vaccination ín minority neighborhoods is because there are fewer places like Walmart in these same neighborhood. Crime is a factor why there are fewer of these types of stores (which offer covid vaccines) in minority communities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Soldier View Post
    It is the typical narrative to blame racism for everything.
    Seldom discussed is the reluctance of the black community to get the vaccine
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...y-covid-jab-uk
    https://chicagopolicyreview.org/2021...can-do-better/
    The distrust of blacks is as much as factor for tge low rates of vaccination as the alleged lack of access. Black communities distrust of the medical community goes well beyond the US, and has unfortunate side effects. That South Africa has a widespread denialism that HIV causes AIDS and South Africa had one of the highest rates of AIDS in the world are not unrelated. The low rates of vaccination among blacks is just another aspect of this distrust.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/...n_South_Africa
    NPR typical of the left's total commitment to dishonesty and blaming racism neglects for everything neglects to explain to the factors why there are fewer sites in black communities administrating covid shots. Many of the sites administrating COVID vaccines are commercial stores like Walmart are fewer in black neighborhoods due to theft and crime making these facilities uneconomical. Liberals and blacks blame racism for the lack os shopping services in black communities yet ignore the high crime committed by blacks that have driven these stores from black neighborhoods. That fewer covid vaccination sites are available in black neighborhood is directly related to the lack of these stores in black neighborhoods due to black crime.
    https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyl...ifornia-stores
    You are actually projecting there. The typical narrative is what you're trying to argue there. While at it you're trying to divorce any factor of racism to create a whitewashed narrative. You are willing to ignore logic an common sense to the degree of arguing that there are fewer vaccination centers in black communities because there are fewer Walmart locations in such neighborhoods. Truly bizarre argumentation. Crime or location of Walmart stores has nothing to do with government's ability to open up vaccination centers. Walmart doesn't run this country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    You are actually projecting there. The typical narrative is what you're trying to argue there. While at it you're trying to divorce any factor of racism to create a whitewashed narrative. You are willing to ignore logic an common sense to the degree of arguing that there are fewer vaccination centers in black communities because there are fewer Walmart locations in such neighborhoods. Truly bizarre argumentation. Crime or location of Walmart stores has nothing to do with government's ability to open up vaccination centers. Walmart doesn't run this country.
    I don't think gainsaying is a real argument, dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    I don't think gainsaying is a real argument, dude.
    It really isn't. Maybe you should come up with a real one?
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    Pfizer has made over 33 billion off this pandemic and it's just one of several big Pharma companies profiting off the vaccine push.

    The news media and the DNC are now calling people who aren't vaccinated the cause of the new wave of infections, but the facts show that the vaccinated are a bigger contributor to the spread of the virus:

    https://michaelsavage.com/cdc-study-...ly-vaccinated/

    For the past several months I've been reading stories about hundreds of thousands of infected illegals being brought into the US by Xiden's open borders policy. These people have been seeded across the US, mostly in red states. It's strange that big media hasn't made the link between all these infected illegals and the spread of the virus.

    Instead they tell us we should get vaccinated. Anyone who thinks big pharma isn't making huge contributions to the DNC is living in a fantasy world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. W. View Post
    Pfizer has made over 33 billion off this pandemic and it's just one of several big Pharma companies profiting off the vaccine push.

    The news media and the DNC are now calling people who aren't vaccinated the cause of the new wave of infections, but the facts show that the vaccinated are a bigger contributor to the spread of the virus:

    https://michaelsavage.com/cdc-study-...ly-vaccinated/
    It's self-defeating to accuse the liberal press of scapegoating vaccine sceptics only to then use an article from the liberal press (copied verbatim by michaelsavage.com) as evidence that outbreaks can occur among the vaccinated.

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    Especially using a state like Massachussets where vaccination is very widespread with majority population vaccinated with two full doses and overwhelming majority with at least one dose.

    It's also fun to see someone confuse expected revenue with profit.
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