Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

[Heathen Hammer]

So as we all know, the newly-elected government of Virginia attempted to pass laws against individual firearms ownership, immediately triggering massive protest movement against infringement on gun rights.
Multiple counties declared themselves as 2nd Amendment Sanctuaries (which constitute pretty much all of Virginia except for one over-populated pocket of Democrat supporters) and law enforcement officials vowed to refuse to enforce the illiberal draconian legislature, which in response caused the newly-elected General Secretary governor to threaten his population with National Guard and use of brute military force and even declared a state of emergency. Very democratic and liberal of him.
What was even more interesting, West Virginia openly suggesting to annex Virginia's pro-2A counties - which would pretty much constitute all of Virginia, except the above-mentioned pocket of gun control supporters.
As per its usual tradition, legacy media endlessly screeched about gun-rights activists all being violent Nazis and domestic terrorists who would undoubtedly commit massive acts of terror. And as usual, legacy media has been proven wrong by reality.
Today a massive demonstration was held in Virginia, thousands of gun owners and gun rights activists showed up openly carrying their firearms, people of all backgrounds and political beliefs showed up to defend their Constitutional Rights. Of course, nobody was harmed in any way.
Clearly, if there is one thing that can unite a rather divided American society it is the desire to own and bear firearms.


So a few points for further discussion:
- Should over-populated urban centers really have power to legislate over less densely-populated areas? There is an obvious disparity in political beliefs and values, and mob rule by urbanite population is a very destabilizing factor.
- The reason why Democrats were elected in Virginia was because of influx of population from other blue states. Essentially what is happening is Democrat voters escape results of Democrat policies in blue states - only to vote for these policies in red states they just moved to. What changes need to be implemented to prevent that? If someone from a blue state moves to a red state, should his vote count for the previous state at least for the next one or two election cycles (and visa versa)?
- Should media be held at least morally responsible for openly defaming gun-rights activists?

[Gromovnik]

So you want to abolish democracy and free speech?

[Vanoi]

Oh man your ideas are ridiculous and blatantly unconstitutional. A new voter in a new state shouldn't have their vote re-directed to their previous state. It makes no sense. Who'd the vote go to in the previous state? It just sounds so dumb.

Virginia elected the Democrats into power who advocated for gun control. They knew what they wanted.

[Phier]

Oh man your ideas are ridiculous and blatantly unconstitutional.

Kinda like anti-gun laws...

[The spartan]

Kinda like anti-gun laws...

Any "anti-gun" law? I think the Supreme Court disagrees.

[Heathen Hammer]

Oh man your ideas are ridiculous and blatantly unconstitutional. A new voter in a new state shouldn't have their vote re-directed to their previous state. It makes no sense. Who'd the vote go to in the previous state? It just sounds so dumb.

I presume the party they'd vote for. Democrat voters moving en masse to Republican states only to vote in Democrat governments that would create same problem that caused them to leave the original state to begin with is a huge problem and is objectively a threat to democracy.

Virginia elected the Democrats into power who advocated for gun control. They knew what they wanted.

Urban population did. Again, dictatorship of urbanites is also a threat to democracy.

Kinda like anti-gun laws...

Except that anti-gun laws are far worse. It is essentially class warfare, for rich (who can afford to live in guarded gated communities or even armed security detail), who scoff at the idea that someone may need a firearm to defend himself.
Gun control in itself is relic and legacy of Jim Crow laws, ironically Democrats supported both, until they realized that they could sell minorities welfare in exchange for votes.

[Vanoi]

Kinda like anti-gun laws...

The Conservative majority in Heller v. DC disagrees. Even Scalia believed in gun control.

I presume the party they'd vote for.

What if its a third party not running in their previous state? And you do realize that candidates all have different ideas right? Why should their vote go to a candidate they didn't want to win?

Democrat voters moving en masse to Republican states only to vote in Democrat governments that would create same problem that caused them to leave the original state to begin with is a huge problem and is objectively a threat to democracy.

No thats democracy in action. People have the right to move to a new state and vote in elections there that effect them. Not an election in another state they moved from. A Republican who moves from California to my state and has his vote counted for California instead is completely undemocratic and again blatantly unconstitutional.

Except that anti-gun laws are far worse. It is essentially class warfare, for rich (who can afford to live in guarded gated communities or even armed security detail), who scoff at the idea that someone may need a firearm to defend himself.
Gun control in itself is relic and legacy of Jim Crow laws, ironically Democrats supported both, until they realized that they could sell minorities welfare in exchange for votes.

Jim Crow was deemed unconstitutional and took rights away from people unlike gun control where its only regulated and you are still very able to buy a weapon. The Conservatives on the Supreme Court agree with me.

[Gromovnik]

What dictatorship of the urbanites? Do they get two votes each or something?

[Cyclops]

Ranting idiots aside, its a shame the peaceful majority of protesters have to be smeared by a small number threatening violence. A few psychos can throw a whole movement off the rails.

[Love Mountain]

Northam's emergency declaration, however, bans all weapons around the state Capitol grounds through Tuesday, and a special rules committee in the General Assembly banned guns inside the Capitol and a legislative office building.

The horror. Banning firearms around government buildings. And why?

Fearing violence similar to that of the deadly white nationalist rally in Charlottesville in 2017, Northam banned all weapons near the state Capitol under the emergency order, which the Virginia Supreme Court upheld after a legal challenge.

At least six suspected members of a violent neo-Nazi group were arrested late last week; three of them reportedly planned to attend the rally. Three men in Maryland face various federal firearm and alien-harboring charges and three in Georgia face conspiracy to commit murder and gang charges.

However, no major incidents were reported at the rally itself, which was conducted under heavy security. The hour-long demonstration concluded a little after noon with only one arrest.

Totally unreasonable. Authoritarian! End of Democracy! What next? Will they demand licensing for simply driving out cars???? Just step one of a Big Brother nanny state!!!

RICHMOND, Va. (WRIC) — The Virginia Senate passed yet another gun-safety measure on Wednesday when lawmakers voted 21-19 along party lines to advance the “red-flag” gun law.

The legislation, if approved by the House and signed by the governor, would permit authorities to temporarily take firearms from owners believed to be dangerous or who could pose a threat to themselves or others.

*Gasp*

How can Trump stand by and just watch while they blatantly tear the guns out of our arms because we threatened to storm the Richmond Capitol building with our AR-15s???

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

It is the end of United States of America. I'm sorry my brothers. We have failed Jefferson, Washington, and Taylor Swift's legs. The Republic has fallen. Not even stormed by the barbarians like Constantinople, but from within. Defeated by traitors and short-sighted men.

[Heathen Hammer]

The horror. Banning firearms around government buildings. And why?

Why should they be banned? Should politician's security detail not have guns as well? What if some politician or his bodyguard decided to become violent?

Totally unreasonable. Authoritarian! End of Democracy! What next? Will they demand licensing for simply driving out cars???? Just step one of a Big Brother nanny state!!!

Certain states don't even have any requirements for concealed carry, yet no apocalypse happened there. Its almost like guns aren't the problem.

*Gasp*

How can Trump stand by and just watch while they blatantly tear the guns out of our arms because we threatened to storm the Richmond Capitol building with our AR-15s???

Or if someone who simply doesn't like you claims that you did.

Let's abolish the ATF in its entirety.

We can't do that, where would violent drug cartels get their guns if there is no ATF to run "fast and furious" for them?

[Cope]

^The same argument you will hear at every stage of the incrementalism.

[Love Mountain]

^The same argument you will hear at every stage of the incrementalism.

As opposed to a slippery slope argument.

[Gromovnik]

So, do people in cities get more than one vote each?

[Cope]

As opposed to a slippery slope argument.

The fallacy of the slippery slope. Only a fool would assume that progressive activists have limiting principles.

[Love Mountain]

The fallacy of the slippery slope. Only a fool would assume that progressive activists have limiting principles.

Thank you for your wonderful opinion. I have decided, we should oppose universal background checks for gun purchases because that might lead to Johnny Stalin putting us all in a Kholhoz.

it. Let's abolish the ATF in its entirety.

[Gromovnik]

What agenda?

[Gromovnik]

BRB, shrieking while I'm sacrificing a gun on the altar of scandinavianism.

[Love Mountain]

I take it back guys. Someone reminded me that the 2A was very useful in deposing a tyrant.

[Abdülmecid I]

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