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    Default Monarchy vs Democracy A Critical Look at Democracy

    Medieval Monarchy vs Democracy

    “By familiarizing oneself with other times, other eras, other civilizations, one acquires the habit of distrusting criteria of one's own time.”
    -Regine Pernoud Those Terrible Middle Ages Debunking the Myths Ignatius press San Francisco

    “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.”
    -H.L Mencken

    “Every age is befooled by the notions which are in fashion in it. Our age is befooled by " democracy."
    -WG Sumnner quoted in Liberty or Equality the Challenge of our Time

    “Tradition means giving a vote to that most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who merely happen to be walking about. All democrats object to men being disqualified by the accident of birth; tradition objects to their being disqualified by the accident of death. Democracy tells us not to neglect a good man’s opinion, even if he is our groom; tradition asks us not to neglect a good man’s opinion, even if he is our father.”
    -G. K. Chesterton Orthodoxy; Chapter 4; 1908



    A Critical Look at Democracy -Divide or Unify? Liberty or Bondage? Legalized Theft and Crime -Tyranny and Exploitation by the Privileged Class of Politicians and the Totalitarian Nature of Democracy

    “[in democracy]A man finds himself environed by a government that he cannot resist; a government that forces him to pay money, render service, and forego the exercise of many of his natural rights, under peril of weighty punishments. He sees, too, that other men practise this tyranny over him by the use of the ballot. He sees further that, if he will but use the ballot himself, he has some chance of relieving himself from this tyranny of others, by subjecting them to his own. In short, he finds himself, without his consent, so situated that, if he use the ballot, he may become a master; if he does not use it, he must become a slave. And he has no other alternative than these two.
    -Lysander Spooner

    “Politics makes us view each other as enemies...The structure of democratic politics actually gives me reason to despise most of my politically active fellow citizens”
    -Jason Brennan Against Democracy Princeton University Press Princeton and Oxford 2017

    “a time when those who obtained their wealth from government would compose the numerical majority , and this numerical majority would always vote for those politicians who promised to tax or otherwise exploit the numerical minority... uses governments monopoly on the use of force to compel the productive element to transfer its wealth to the non productive element. This is the end stage of all mass democracies.”
    -James and Walter Kennedy Nullifying Tyranny Pelican Press 2010


    A Monarchy avoids many of the downfalls of our various democracies as interest groups and politicians cannot divide us into groups and set us against each other as in every democracy. As Jason Brenan in his book Against Democracy is simply “a battle over who will acquire the power to force the other side to bend to its will” Democracy turns us into civil enemies within a nation and even within families. So much anger and hatred is caused by dividing us into groups and teams [republican/democrat] causing tribal inclinations to see those outside the group as evil. Multiple studies examining brain function show we are bias towards our group willing to accept what we would not of the other groups as we make choices in irrational ways, and in fact on emotion, and even gain pleasure by trashing dissenters [other political parties members] and as James and Walter Kennedy in Nullifying Tyranny wrote “ democracies ultimately degenerate into a system that divides citizens against each other.” And places the into rival herds.

    “The true "herdist" will carefully avoid acting or thinking originally, in order not to destroy the uniformity which is so dear to him, and he is also ready to rise immediately against anybody who dares to act independently and thus destroy the sacred unity of the uniform group to which he belongs. The loyal herdist will not rise alone against the sacrilegious offender; he will have the support of the rest of the circumscribed society and thus a mass action of collective protest will take place, forcing the "lonely individual" to conform or to withdraw.”
    -Erik von Kuehnelt- Leddihn The Menace of the Herd or Procrustes at Large Bruce Publishing Company Milwaukee 1943

    Democracy encourages the violation of two of the ten commandments, Covetousness and theft. Alexis de Tocqueville said ““Equality is a slogan based on envy. It signifies in the heart of every republican: " Nobody is going to occupy a place higher than I.” And Count Montalembert was quoted by Leddihn as saying “since equality cannot be imagined outside of tyranny....democratic and social equality, which is nothing but the canonization of envy and the chimera of jealous ineptitude.” Tage Lindbom in his book the myth of democracy writes “equality is a menace for liberty, it can become a means of oppression in the hands of a central authority”

    In democracies the government teaches its people to covet and steal [tax from other producing citizens] as a pay off for votes to keep them in power. The “rich” being whoever they can tax, the “poor” arbitrarily defined as those who they can purchase votes from by stealing other citizens money. In a democracy where politicians are always under pressure to maintain their privileged status, the ruling class will always find new groups of “have-nots” that must be given other peoples money and industries that must be bailed out, or subsides given or else, we are told, the economy will faulter. As Professor Hans-Hermann Hoppe said “Democracy allows for A and B to band together to rip off C. This is not justice, but a moral outrage”

    “The fact that the oppressing groups is larger and the oppressed group is smaller in no way changes the fact the oppression or theft is a violation of the principles of self ownership... the evil nature of oppression is not altered even if the evil act is approved by a majority vote.”
    -James and Walter Kennedy Nullifying tyranny pelican press 2010

    Once a majority are dependent on government they will vote in politicians who will aid the theft of others money on a grand scale. This will lead to half the population as wager slaves to master government, and the other half dependent slaves to government. The politician who can offer the most to the most people, wins. This of course hurts the people in a democracy and the production. The more given to the poor the more incentive too not plan for the future, not produce , and instead rely on government. The more stolen from the producers the less incentive to produce.

    “Because the members of the privileged [receive welfare] sex,race, or age group are awarded an unearned income, they have less of an incentive to earn one in the future, and because the members of the discriminated [producers] sex, race, or age group are punished for possessing wealth or having produced an income, they, too, will be less productive in the future.”
    -Hans- Hermann Hoppe Democracy the God that Failed The Economics and Politics of Monarchy, Democracy and Natural OrderRoutledge 2001


    Neither do democratic politicians care of the future of the nation just there own power so long as they are in office [see national debt]. Politicians in a democracy do not care if its people are worse off as they dont pass on their power to their children and are retired or out of office by the time their policies take full effect and can blame it on the other political party now in power. So they seek immediate benefits through exploitation of their privileged position rather than long term benefits for the country. Higher taxes means better off for the privileged now. Instead of the Gold and Silver commodity of the past today democracies steal more of the producers money by inflation. No medieval King could get away with this and live. Why must a family have two incomes today? See your IRS office. Tax theft and inflation.

    In a democracy anyone can gain power so they tend to be less resistance to government abuse since many politicians hope they will reach high levels of government and in turn also gain through corruption for themselves or their ideology. In a monarchy you can only be born into the position so those who have no chance are less willing to tolerate abuses. The “tyranny of numbers” historically has destroyed liberty more so than monarchies. No one's property or liberty is safe from the majority if they dont think like you and chances are they will think as the government teaches them through education. Government tyranny in a democracy is hidden by anonymity and numbers. If a King were to become tyrannical, he and he alone, would be to blame. Thus making his tyranny in the open and without half the country benefiting as no one would benefit. A king would be alone reliable for debt and it would pass on to his kids while congress and a president simply pass it on to the next elected officials who will do the same and all of “we the people” suffer from it in a democracy. In democracy the laws being inconsistent - what is crime today might not be in the future. Has led to relativism [taught in all democracies via government education] and makes it hard to predict for the uncertain future.

    As Hoppe points out when responsibility left the individual and became a “social” responsibility of the whole of the people [democracy] this led to expansion of crime, moral decay, and the destruction of the family. The family is perhaps the enemy of democracy and why the traditional family is always under attack in democratic nations. As a moral producing extended family can take care of itself with no dependency on government. Democracies always seek to take kids out of the negative influence of parents and into the hands of the government to properly educate them.

    “In the United States, less than a century of full blown democracy [Woodrow Wilson] has resulted in steady increasing moral degeneration, family and social disintegration and cultural decay in the form of continually rising rates of divorce, illegitimacy, abortion, and crime. As a result of ever exspanding list of non discrimination “affirmative action” laws and multiculturalism, egalitarian, immigration policies, and every nook and cranny of American society is effected by government management and forighn interrogation. According, social strife and racial, ethnic, and moral- cultural tension and hostility have increased dramatically.”
    -Hans- Hermann Hoppe Democracy the God that Failed The Economics and Politics of Monarchy, Democracy and Natural Order Routledge 2001

    “Family incomes are eroded due to inflation and the heavy taxation levied by the welfare state, forcing both parents into the workforce... little space remains for children, who according to the consumptioninist mindset are burdensome an obstacle to the enjoyment to the enjoyment of life. With the family so weakened, the state steps in as a substitute. The dissolution of the family is a work spearheaded by the democratic state.”
    -Christophe Buffin de Chosal the end of Democracy Tomblar House 2017

    Today's crime rates in modern democracy are vastly higher than before welfare in America and higher than any comparison to even the worst of the wild west. Further in the wild west murders were typically 1 v 1 fair fights/duels agreed upon. Before Lyndon Johnson and the great society that brought massive welfare in America [aimed at African Americans] African American crime rates were low and the family unit together. From 1890-1950 in America the black family unit was almost equaled white family rates. Than in early 1960's the breakup of the black family caused by progressive democrats to control the votes of the population. No other one group votes so one sided and relies on government help like blacks in America. The black father has been replaced by big brother. Author of The Guardian of the RepublicAfrican American Allen West says of government dependency “the breakdown of the family. Of all the consequences of the Great Society programs and the War on Poverty, intended or otherwise, the destruction of the black family has been the most disastrous. More than 70 percent of black children are born outside of marriage. That is an epidemic. And if you take into account the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s statistics that close to three hundred thousand black babies are aborted annually, are we looking at racial genocide?......The brilliant idea for this tragedy came from the progressive socialists of the Johnson administration who thought government should provide welfare payments to women who purposely had children out of wedlock and did not seek to get married or have a male living in the same home. In other words, the Johnson administration was promoting the disintegration of the moral fiber of the black community. Furthermore, the government would send our social workers to inspect the households and ensure there were no males residing in the home, because if there were, the benefits would be cut off. As long as women remained single, they could stay on these programs and receive free health care, housing, and babysitting services for life...But the Great Society has left a legacy of economic dependence, a new form of slavery, and to me, a far more dangerous one, because it destroys the will and determination to excel. The Great Society has turned out to be a big lie, and sadly, those in my community who bought into it are stuck on the twenty-first-century plantation...To me it’s worse than physical enslavement, because it enslaves human spirit. It destroys the will and determination to seek improvement and a better life.”

    “Egalitarianism under the best circumstances becomes hypocrisy; if sincerely accepted and believed in, its menace is greater. Then all actual inequalities appear without exception to be unjust, immoral, intolerable. Hatred, unhappiness, tension, a general maladjustment is the result. The situation is even worse when brutal efforts are made Ill] to establish equality through a process of artificial levelling (" social engineering ") which can only be done by force, restrictions, or terror, and the outcome is a complete loss of liberty.”
    -Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn Liberty or Equality the Challenge of our Time Caxton Printers LTD Galdwell Idaho 1952

    Social security and welfare reduces the importance of an extended family close relationships and marriage. The progressive welfare state undermined hard work and the family unit. It penalizes the family unit, the stable block that produces free wealthy people. Democracy encourages people to not care for themselves, instead to have the government do so. Before the dependency that politicians aimed at the black family, only 7% of black children were born outside marriage. Today 70% of black American children are born outside of marriage. By eroding marriage, the welfare state has made many Americans less capable of self-support than they were when the “War on Poverty” began. In 1950's Harlem, 90% of black babies were born into the family unit, unemployment, drugs, gangs were all down. Half of all blacks were in the middle class and closing in on whites. No government dependency. Than the government aimed dependency came in. Government replaced the father and crime rose, poverty rose, and drugs rose with no father in the home. By the 1980′s 70-80% percent of black babies were born to unwed mothers. These mothers lived their lives dependent on the government. Their children grew up also depended on the government, and the vicious cycle of dependency began. When you take out the breakup of the family of blacks, the outcome is equal to whites in finical outcome. Hoppe in democracy the God that failed wrote “As the governments family policy is implemented, divorce singldom, single parenting, and illegitimacy.... and frequency of “non traditional” lifestyles increase as well paralleled to this will be gradual but steady surge in crime.”

    “If, finally, the bad government is carried on by the multitude, it is called a democracy, i.e. control by the populace, which comes about when the plebeian people by force of numbers oppress the rich. In this way the whole people will be as one tyrant.”
    -Thomas Aquinas On Kingship to the king of Cyrus 1225-1274


    What if in 200 years people were to look back at out governmental welfare state today. They would say this is clearly the upper class people in high position [politicians] who are saying to great masses of people, we will steal money from other people and give to you if you vote for us. Knowing the politicians are living large, not sacrificing their own to help the poor. Would they not say this is clearly legalized crime, stealing, and bribery to keep the powerful in power. The results also hurt and enslave those they are suppose to help. This may rightly be seen as a clear evil that is allowed. Yet the people of today truly believe they are not just helping those it hurts, but that it is the moral thing to do.

    “The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”
    -H L Mencken



    Democracy the Road to Socialism -Communism and Totalitarianism

    “Democracy is the road to socialism”
    -Karl Marx

    “Communism, in fact, has practically dropped its own label for what it declares to be its perfect synonym, democracy.”
    -Erik von Kuehnelt- Leddihn The Menace of the Herd or Procrustes at Large Bruce Publishing Company Milwaukee 1943

    “accepted slavery in a different form... While most believed democracy meant freedom, quite the opposite was the case. Actually, democracy...is a far greater danger to liberty long-term than is a monarchy... the bulk of society still remain slaves of the state....when a child is born, he is automatically owned by the state, and therefore is the property of the state. This means he is subject to extortion for life. He is issued a birth certificate, and a claim is filed stating that he is a U.S. citizen. As a U.S. citizen, he is subject to theft by the state in the form of mandatory and forcible taxation. This is simply thievery where government takes what property its citizens earn for its own nefarious use. In addition, almost nothing is allowed without a permission slip in the form of licenses issued by the state. Virtually everything is regulated, and most behavior, regardless whether anyone is harmed or not, is restricted under the threat of prosecution, incarceration, or death.”
    -Gary D Barnett The Invention of Modern Slavery Called Democracy


    Democracies and mass voting will eventually no matter the barriers, move to socialism/communism progressivism and totalitarianism. All the totalitarian states communism, fascism, socialism etc began as democracies. All democracies move towards and are in reality, totalitarian. As Chosal in his book the end of democracy states “ Democracy is itself totalitarian.” and Professor Clyde Wilson in whatever happened to democracy wrote “ The thoughtful have always understood that there is a tension between democracy and liberty. They do not naturally go together, in fact are logically in conflict.” Professor Hoppe in his book democracy the God that failed wrote ““Rapid growth of state power....systematic outcome of democracy and the democratic mindset.” Since Aristotle in politics and Plato in republic, critics of democracy have pointed out democracy will naturally evolve in tyranny.

    “Whenever it has ever extended its empire, it has infringed on individual liberty and responsibility, private property, and free enterprise.... its grip on opinion, education and culture has led to irreversible damage. The democratic state has everywhere imposed egalitarianism moral relativism, legal conformity, the debasement of culture, and the reduction of individual freedoms all for its own profit.”
    -Christophe Buffin de Chosal the end of Democracy Tomblar House 2017

    J.J Bachofen said “Because I love freedom, I hate democracy.” Today the government is involved with every aspect of our lives. We all live through it and see it in the news daily. Liberalism has been defined by professor Clyde Wilson as “The posing of emotional problems to be solved by mass emotional concern leading to government action, never mind what action.” Politicians will find no end to scaring the public into more government control weather it be climate change, or any number of imaginative fears that would cause the people to ask for salvation from those fears via government intervention.

    “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
    - H. L. Mencken

    “Fear is the foundation of most governments”
    -John Adams

    The government will always be their to save us from those hobgoblins. Further it will never actually fix the issue, for if it did, its services control and money/power would no longer be needed. Look at the “war on drugs.” If there were no more addicts the entire structure would be gone and they would no longer be needed. That is why they go after the drug instead of getting to the heart of the issue, the user. Than they can blame it on the drug, ask for large sums of money, and it seems they might be effective at times by throwing its citizens into prison. But than new more dangerous drugs appear and the drug, we are told, it what causes the user. So of course we need more police/government funding as who could ever be for kids doing drugs. So they will avoid the root cause and issues [liberal philosophy in schools- breakdown of family by welfare- removal of Christianity/bible from society] and instead run in circles that will favor them and hurt us.

    “There is little doubt that the American Congress or the French Chambers have a power over their nations which would rouse the envy of a Louis XIV or a George III, were they alive today. Not only prohibition, but also the income tax declaration, selective service, obligatory schooling, the fingerprinting of blameless citizens, premarital blood tests—none of these totalitarian measures would even the royal absolutism of the seventeenth century have dared to introduce.”
    -Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn Liberty or Equality the Challenge of our Time Caxton Printers LTD Galdwell Idaho 1952

    Than with lists of safety regulations on anything from travel to food, to every aspect of out lives. We end up with girl scouts being fined $500 for selling lemonade in the wrong zoning area. Our betters tell us what cooking oil we can use, what foods we can eat, wheat health care we may have, where and what animals we are allowed to raise on our property, what light bulbs we can use, regulations on parachute jumping, manufacturing, farmers arrested for selling raw milk by swat teams who confiscate their farm property, regulate organic farms out of business while subsidizing industrial farming system. We are denied due process if we are suspected of terrorism, the patriot act allows federal agents to write their own search warrants and wiretapping operations. A section of the marine corps is being trained in domestic law enforcement. Christians will be forced to make homosexual wedding cakes, forced to pay to fund government education teaching them against their beliefs etc etc.

    “To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions witch he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical.”
    -Thomas Jefferson

    “Democratic power enjoyed a strangle hold on the people that is without precedence in the history of governmental systems. The suposidley free democratic people are given laws and taxed, without consultation, at the initiate of parties who site in their name. The democratic people are instructed in schools that the state controls, subsidizes, and regulates. They are informed by media the state owns or controls by means regulation, subsides, or groups of influence. They take medications the state authorizes, and they eat food the state stamps. The money they use is under the control of the state, which fixes its value and interest rate.”
    -Christophe Buffin de Chosal The end of Democracy Tomblar House 2017


    There is nothing that is safe in a democracy liberty does not exists. Anything can be taken once the majority is propagated into believing so- anything can be outlawed. If a majority in a society decided rape was legal, in a democracy this could happen. Even if laws or constitutions are in place to prevent politicians from regulating in a certain sphere, when centralized democracies allow only the central government to decide, they will find all kinds of ways around these shekels, just see the current U.S climate. And democracies will always seek to disarm its population to avoid resistance to its rule. Democracies ultimate end up totalitarian in nature even if they do allow us some rights and some freedoms to avoid resistance to their power. It is only because they currentley allow it, rather than it being God given liberty.

    “Each triumph for " democracy " has ended, on the Continent, with a frightening set-back for the cause of liberty. The years 1917, 1918, 1922, 1933, 1938 were a chain of defeats for the cause of freedom. The Second World War resulted in military victory and political defeat.”
    -Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn Liberty or Equality the Challenge of our Time Caxton Printers LTD Galdwell Idaho 1952

    They will keep expanding the centralized government to increase its number of employees and supporters who will have a “loose” understanding of say any Constitution. Take PBS, they are unconstitutionally supported by tax money. Would we imagine they will have a strict understanding of a Constitution or law that would limit a federal power? Of course not, to do so would bring about their own demise. G.K Chesterton describes a despotism as “a tired democracy” eventually it turns tyrannical. The later monarchies of the early 1900's [absolute monarchies] only 3% of employed workers worked for the crown, often not receiving a salary. After seeing the transition of society Donoso Cortes quoted by Leddihn said “Liberty is dead! She is not going to rise again, not on the third day, not in three years, perhaps not even in three centuries.” and in Equality or Liberty he says “It is evident that modern government has achieved an autonomy from society (we mean auto-nomy: the power to make and live by its own laws) which would baffle and frighten the medieval observer.” French historian Leon Gautier in his book Chivalry the Everyday Life of the medieval Knight wrote ““Our modern politicians claim the colossal license of Cesar and the superman... their [medieval] bondage came to more than our freedom.”

    ”liberty is always destroyed by the multitude, in the name of liberty.... the many-headed monster becomes more tyrannical, than the tyrant with a single head; numbers harden its conscience, and embolden it, in the perpetration of crime. And when this majority, in a free government, becomes a faction, or, in other words, represents certain classes and interests to the detriment of other classes, and interests, farewell to public liberty; the people must either become enslaved, or there must be a disruption of the government. ”
    - Raphael Semmes Confederate Admiral 1868


    “No sovereign ever lived in former ages so absolute or so powerful as to undertake to administer, by his own agency and without the assistance of intermediate powers, all the parts of a great empire; none ever attempted to subject all his subjects indiscriminately to strict uniformity of regulation, and personally to tutor and direct every member of the community….I think then, that the species of oppression by which democratic nations are menaced is unlike anything which ever before existed in the world; our contemporaries will find no prototype of it in their memories...After having successfully taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned them at will the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the network of society with a network of small, complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided: men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting: such a power does not destroy but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize but it compresses, ennervates, extinguishes, and stupifies people, till each nation is reduced to be nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals of which the government is the shepherd.
    -Count de Tocqueville (Democracy in America, "Influence of democratic opinions and sentiments upon political society," Trans, by Henry Reeve, New York, 1899


    “Everything is nowadays controlled. Once it was possible to mount a buggy and to drive in Europe over land as far as one wanted. To accomplish the same feat in peacetime by motorcar it is necessary to comply with driving tests, driving licenses, license numbers, motor vehicle inspections, compulsory third party risk insurances, speed limits, parking prohibitions, triptyques and custom declarations, passports, visas, money export permits, gasoline taxes, registration permits, etc.”
    -Erik von Kuehnelt- Leddihn The Menace of the Herd or Procrustes at Large Bruce Publishing Company Milwaukee 1943


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    Vote for me- Democracy Creates Professional Politicians aka Psychopaths

    “Democratic governments always favor leaders who are power hungry, aggressive, egotistical, and who are willing to compromise on principle for the sake of gaining, or maintaining power.”
    -James and Walter Kennedy Nullifying tyranny pelican press 2010

    “What is true, just, and beautiful is not determined by popular vote. The masses everywhere are ignorant, short sighted, motivated by envy, and easy to fool. Democratic politicians must appeal to these masses in order to be elected. Whoever is the best demagogue will win. Almost by necessity, then, democracy will lead to the perversion of truth, justice and beauty....Democracy virtually-assures that only bad and dangerous men will ever rise to the top of government.”
    -Hans-Hermann Hoppe

    “The king stands in contrast with legislators and bureaucrats, who are inclined to think, by the very nature of their jobs, that diligent performance means multiplying laws and regulations”
    -Leland B Yeager A Libertarian Case for Monarchy


    J.R.R Tolkien said “The most improper job of any man, even saints, is bossing other men. Not one in a million is fit for it and least of all those who seek the opportunity.” People who seek the power such as politicians are after it for their own gain. What makes a successful politician in our modern American centralized democracy? A psychopath who will lie to voters. People wont vote for someone who tells them the truth or that would put responsibility on them, rather they want to hear what they want to hear. As H.L Mencken said “The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars, the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth.” They want to look towards a politician who will tell them what they want and offer them what they desire while telling them they will be the savior and all we must must do is vote for them. These saviors can fix any issues you have even the weather [climate change]. Jason Brennan in his book against democracy comments “Political leaders not only routinely make promises they never keep but also frequenter use outright deceptions and manipulations to win votes.” If 10 years old's could vote, we would begin to hear of free universal ice cream and bicycles for all. Christophe Buffin de Chosal in his book the end of democracy describes the ideal modern politician as “pliable, convincing, and a liar by instinct.... the single thing to which he is truly committed is power.... only politicians who presents this aspect is recognized as fir for power in a democracy.”

    “The true Christian as a candidate in a thoroughly democratic state is almost unthinkable; only in rare cases will he succeed in maintaining his position. The Christian candidate would be sincere, frank, serious. He would confess ignorance where need be, he would oppose his constituents when his conscience advocated disagreement, he would refuse to distort facts by popularizing them or by " boiling them down" to a deceptive simplicity,thus flattering the intellectual vanity of the credulous masses.The bad pagan simply lies to his voters. He pretends to understand problems he is not acquainted with, and simulates knowledge; he is determined not to stick to his promises or even to act against his conscience. The good pagan is in the worst situation of all: he lies, quite subconsciously, to himself. He believes, perhaps in all sincerity, that one can square the circle—that one's own conscience, absolute truth, the feasible and permissible, the ethical and practical, public opinion and the useful, can all be brought under the same denominator. The good Christian's position is an almost hopeless one, since he is not willing to sacrifice ethical values to the Moloch of popularity.”
    -Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn Liberty or Equality the Challenge of our Time Caxton Printers LTD Galdwell Idaho 1952

    When we think of a Psychopath we might think of a madman or serial mass murderer. But in fact most Psychopaths are highly intelligent and very good at what they do. A smart psychopath can avoid prison and find other, less conspicuous ways to satisfy his or her lust for dominating and controlling others, and what better way than through politics and big business? From the book The Wisdom of Psychopaths: What Saints, Spies, and Serial Killers Can Teach Us About Success.

    https://www.amazon.com/Wisdom-Psych...f+psychopaths&qid=1563710426&s=gateway&sr=8-1

    "...renowned psychologist Kevin Dutton reveals that there is a scale of "madness" along which we all sit. Incorporating the latest advances in brain scanning and neuroscience, Dutton demonstrates that the brilliant neurosurgeon who lacks empathy has more in common with a Ted Bundy who kills for pleasure than we may wish to admit functional psychopaths" among us―different from their murderous counterparts―who use their detached, unflinching, and charismatic personalities to succeed in mainstream society, and that shockingly, in some fields, the more "psychopathic" people are, the more likely they are to succeed....after all, psychopaths tend to be fearless, confident, charming, ruthless, and focused―qualities that are tailor-made for success in the twenty-first century.”

    also see

    Why Great Presidents Often Are Psychopaths
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-a-psychopath/

    “Yes, politicians are more likely than people in the general population to be sociopaths. I think you would find no expert in the field of sociopathy/psychopathy/antisocial personality disorder who would dispute this... That a small minority of human beings literally have no conscience was and is a bitter pill for our society to swallow — but it does explain a great many things, shamelessly deceitful political behavior being one.....Nor is there much of a difference between the havoc wreaked on innocent lives by uncaring, unfeeling, selfish, irresponsible, parasitic criminals and elected officals who lie to their constituents , trade political favors for campaign contributions, turn a blind eye to the wishes of the electorate, cheat taxpayers out of hard-earned dollars, favor the corporate elite, entrench the military industrial complex, and spare little thought for the impact their thoughtless actions and hastily passed legislation might have on defenseless citizens.” - Dr Martha Stout .A clinical psychologist who was long affiliated with Harvard Medical School, she’s the author of The Sociopath Next Door and other popular books on emotional disorders

    Scientific American, a very liberal atheistic source, published an article showing the personality traits most comparable to politicians, is Psychopaths. And the more Psychopathic a person is, the higher chance of success being elected in our “get out the vote” democracy. A 2007 article from scientific American said of politicians/psychopaths

    “Superficially charming, psychopaths tend to make a good first impression on others and often strike observers as remarkably normal. Yet they are self-centered, dishonest and undependable, and at times they engage in irresponsible behavior for no apparent reason other than the sheer fun of it... Psychopaths routinely offer excuses for their reckless and often outrageous actions, placing blame on others instead.”

    “In general, the political parties cease to function as representatives organs at the moment they ascend to power... power exerts on many men and women a fascination to witch very few are capable of resisting, and these few do not generally get involved in democratic politics.”
    -Christophe Buffin de Chosal the end of Democracy Tomblar House 2017



    Two Party System and Self Government

    “Under Democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule- and both commonly succeed, and are right.”
    -H.L. Mencken

    “A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to chose a new master once in a term of years”
    -Herbert Spencer the right to Ignore the state quoted in Against Democracy

    In a centralized democracy self government is nothing but an illusion, would anyone suggest the Jews in Germany were given self government under Hitler? Hitler was elected democratically. Did half the country get self government under Trump? Was the south allowed representation by Abraham Lincoln? A libertarian in Vermont has as much chance of changing his government as a peasant under the most absolute monarchy. For those who lose the vote they are not represented by the opposing party and vice versa, next election for the winning side. The major parties regulate to keep out third parties from being elected. Usually around 1/3 of the population do not even vote. Chosal suggest most people do not vote since none of the politicians represent them, or they find the whole of politics ugly and corrupt. Maybe they see the use of force and cohesion of others as a moral wrong and chose not to vote. Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn in his book “Liberty or Equality the Challenge of our Time” said “" politics " are looked upon by a healthy public opinion as a cocktail of deceit, lying, treachery, double-dealing, graft, theft, insincerity, perjury, imposture, dishonourable compromise and other vices.” Neither does your vote count. Chosen called self rule “a myth which loses all substance once confronted with the real practice in democracy.” and because of this Chosen says the average voter “sense themselves powerless against the state, and indeed they are.” Tage Lindbom wrote in the myth of democracy “nowhere is man so insignificant as in a democracy.” Your more likely to win the Powerball multiple times than change an election with your vote. In democracy few actually govern, it is not we the people. Because deep down we know this, most dont invest time to properly educate ourselves to make an informed vote. Democracies don't not care of the individual, but the collective. That is why the democratic mindset forces everyone into groups [voting blocks] based on religion, race, gender, etc etc

    This insane concept of voting brings with it the ridiculous and false notion that self-rule is evident. Self-rule is freedom, but in a democracy, each individual has surrendered all sovereignty to an unknown entity called the nation-state. This country has never been ruled over by the people at large.”
    -Gary D Barnett The Invention of Modern Slavery Called Democracy

    Debates and elections are just rituals as the parties have already decided who will win, voting really does no good. Further the politician must pay back those interest groups and do their bidding to maintain there power. If their really was democracy and the parties did not have the control, than people would vote for who best they like, rather than who the party has told them to vote for. Those in America who won the election likely would without parties struggle to be above 5%, even if they were the highest vote getter. In America both parties are democratic/Marxist/socialist/centralizers and statist anyways. The differences between right and left ignore the fact they both are for increasing centralized power. Jason Brennan writes in against democracy ““They [political parties] both agree to buy the Camry, there now just debating weather to get the sports package or hybrid.” But in reality neither gets what they want because the power structure in a mass democracy belongs to the interest groups, big business, the political parties, the politicians, corporations, lawyers, bureaucrats, media, education and bankers. We done elect them or give them our consent yet this does not matter.

    “The government forces you to abide by its rules, no matter what you do, and will fine, imprison, beat, or even kill you if you resist.”
    -Jason Brennan Against democracy Princeton University Press Princeton and Oxford 2017

    We have no reasonable way of opting out of government control. As Brennan points out “you cant even move to Antarctica- the governments of the world forbid you to live there.” Picking a democrat or republican is like a group of men telling an innocent women she must have sex with one of them, but she can chose witch one. Or do you wish to be shot or stabbed? We are told “no means no” but to the government our “no” means yes. The government might through education teach against your beliefs and do a poor job at that so you home school. Yet still you must pay for government to teach what you see as evil. Same with participation in democracy.

    in democracy we are not volunteers, we are conscripts, we cannot opt out, we are forced into it....governments do not merely advise us to follow their rules....they enforce their laws and rules with violence, or threats of violence.”
    -Jason Brennan Against democracy Princeton University Press Princeton and Oxford 2017

    No matter how you vote, the outcome is the same, the democratic mindset forces us into large groups and the individual and his desire for self government is lost. Test it, do not vote or vote every time and see if it makes any difference. It is a con to have you believe you decide your government. To quote Brennan again he writes “Democracy isent meant to empower individuals, its intended to disempower all the individuals in favor or large groups.” If a well meaning politician is elected after the people have been divided into their groups by race, religion, gender etc it is usually one section's elected who is pushing for his or her “group” interests that run counter to others. It is one big fight to coerce the rest of the citizens and mold them as they desire. Nothing could divide people more or cause more hatred anger and aggression tearing apart families and friends. As Hoppe in democracy the god that failed pints out, “ Under democracy everyone becomes a threat.” Further Politicians are not experts in their field neither do they have time to study subjects in depth and here all view points, rather lobby groups inform them. And as the Virginian John Taylor said elections simply are us choosing what master [political party] will rule over us. In the end we do not vote for ourselves, but for others as a whole or group. We simply select the lesser or two evils. Only in a decentralized system could self government ever be realized.

    “The concept of an organic [self rule] society was abolished at the time of the french revolution....everything which allowed the people to protect themselves from the power of the state was crushed in the name of liberty.”
    -Christophe Buffin de Chosal The end of Democracy Tomblar House 2017


    A power structure of a centralized democracy can not be removed easily, where as a tyrant king [a single person] can be. Centralized governments and the modern state can turn as tyrannical as they wish and have a monopoly on force through police and the military. If a monarchy did so it would pit him against all his population who could than turn against him and in a decentralized system, such as the medieval time period, he would be hopelessness outnumbered and the people would truly rule. So today what a centralized authority declares law, it is so, with no hope of recourse no matter how tyrannical or contrary to previous laws. In the decentralized medieval system [as in antebellum America as well] laws were the authority.

    democracies “has placed the state above the law – the state self-defines and self-interprets the constitution; the state has a monopoly on the adjudication of its dictates. This places the state in a position to decide what law is, and how law is applied. The only hope one has to influence this is to turn a minority into a majority. Such a concept was unknown to the mediaeval mind – each individual held a form of veto. No majority was necessary, and minority rights were fully protected – even for the minority of one.”
    -Bionic Mosquito Decentralization Hidden in the dark Ages


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    The Average Voter in a Democracy

    "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."
    -Winston Churchill

    “The ruling class has the schools and press under its thumb. This enables it to sway the emotions of the masses.”
    -Albert Einstein

    “The people in a democracy are the object of all kinds of manipulations and deceptions. They were taken from the land by massive industrialization, instructed by compulsory education, and their informed by television.... the people are filled with excess by a society of consumerism are overwhelmed by advertising and their will is eroded by hedonistic pleasures.... as they pay taxes and consume, they are not involved in politics and they do their part to keep the system going.”
    -Christophe Buffin de Chosal the end of Democracy Tomblar House 2017


    Democracy allows all to impose their bad ideas on everyone else. H.L Mencken says “democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of ignorance.” In democracies the people are kept busy working to pay their taxes and are to busy to acquire information outside the approved sources [government influenced education media] and play along with the system. Talk with the average voter today you will find they know more of and care far more about the next Iphone than political philosophy. Of those who do hold some interest, 95% will toe the party line and have the same opinion as the major media source they listen to or that of their professors and educators.

    “The mass of people, as La Boetie and Mises reorganized, always and everywhere consists of “brutes” “dullards” and “fools” easily deluded and stuck in habitual submission. Thus today, individuated from early childhood with government propaganda in public schools and educational institutions by legions of publicly certified intellectuals, most people mindlessly accept and repeat nonsense such as that democracy is self-rule and government is of, by, and for the people.”
    -Hans- Hermann Hoppe Democracy the God that Failed The Economics and Politics of Monarchy, Democracy and Natural Order Routledge 2001

    The ignorance of the ordinary voter who comes through government education ignorant of the issues and facts behind politics shows how easily they can be manipulated by media/education types. Brennan rightly points out the average voter resembles a fan of their political party rather than a political philosopher. Erik von Kuehnelt- Leddihn in The Menace of the Herd wrote “We must first of all realize that ninety-five per cent of modern people have no ideas or convictions of their own.” and in Liberty or Equality the Challenge of our Time he points out in democratic societies “Public opinion is "manufactured" and strictly supervised.” So your average voter just follows the herd shepherded by media and politicians.

    “The vast bulk of Americans proceed through twelve years of government funded education [by an interesting coincidence] teaches them all about the wonders of federal government, how lost they'd be without it, and how foolish it would be to worry that the constitution might not authorize most of what it does.”
    -Tomas Woods Nullification How to Resist federal tyranny in the 21st Century

    In a monarchy public opinion would not be manipulated by educators/media to sway a majority this way or that. Indoctrination would not gain any ground in its efforts as it would wholly useless. Many know there vote wont count in a mass voting system and they fail to educate themselves proper. Politicians push to “get out the vote” is as Brennan points out dangerous. Most citizens due us no favor by voting specifically those who are manipulated by politicians to vote based on emotional reactions and quick uniformed votes. It does not matter if you vote, but how you vote. It is than the innocent people who suffer, not the politicians who gain. In Jason Brennan's book against Democracy he cites scores of studies that show the absolute ignorance of the public to issues they vote on as well as the indoctrination and misinformation they believe to be true. The masses are indeed as he says “Most democratic citizens and voters are, well, ignorant, irrational and misinformed nationalist.” During election years most citizens cannot identify any congressional candidate in their own district. Citizens generally dont know which party controls congress [makes you wonder what the difference is]. ¼ dont know who United States fought during the revolution. Less than 1/3 know that Karl Marx communist slogan “from each according to his abilities to each according to his needs” is not in the Constitution. In 2000 less than half new Al Gore was more supportive of abortion, welfare and environmental regulation than Bush. Democracy is power to control other peoples bodies and force them to do as you will. It exposes innocent people to the Masses desires and wants.

    “About 65 years ago we started measuring how much voters know... For as long as we've been measuring, the mean, model, and median voters have been misinformed or ignorant about basic political information....their ignorance and misinformation causes them to support policies and candidates they would not support if they were better informed.”
    -Jason Brennan Against democracy Princeton University Press Princeton and Oxford 2017

    “ in a recent poll, only 26% of Americans could name the branches of their government. These, mind you, are the people who decide, in a democracy, who the most qualified to manage government affairs. Democracy also implies a collectivist mindset, as well as collective responsibility, which diminishes personal liberty. ”
    -Daniel Szewc The Case for Libertarian Monarchism


    Centralized democratic government schools will always preach atheism/evolution. Yet they know that mankind are spiritual and moral beings. Democracies disciples in these schools will look for moral causes outside of themselves. To try and fill this God sized whole in humanity the government will always supply various opportunities through environmentalism, socialism, fighting racism, diversity etc to keep them sidetracked and to find moral fulfillment in their lives. This of course will be done through politics. They either must vote and self sacrifice in some way to bigger government, or they are to become a politician to fix the worlds problems witch they are told can only be achieved by higher taxes more regulation and government control. Thus democracy will form “progressive politicians” while the person who wished to live and let live, or who finds the idea of controlling others as mad, or politics in general as nasty, will not attempt to become a politician.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end,for they do so with the approval of their consciences."
    --C. S. Lewis

    "Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority.It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern.They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
    --Daniel Webster

    It was thought years ago that the majority could not be deceived long, but this was at a time when people had traditions, morality, and higher law than government. The state had not yet controlled education to remove and demonize those obstacles to molding its population to its own image. As Erik Von Kuehnet- Leddihn in Liberty and equality wrote “There is little doubt that compulsory education was an exstermely important step towards the totalitarian state.”

    “the individual therein [democracy] is considered a human material...able to be exchanged or manipulated at will. He is reduced solely to his utilitarian aspects of producer, consumer and taxpayer. He is merely a tool programmed by the media and education.... in order to suitable fulfill his role as “ram material” the individual must be void of any roots, without race, without nation, and without religion. He must be devoid of an ideal, or rather his sole ideal must be simply the satisfaction of his needs. In morality, he must be relativistic so as to readily accept all tendencies of the ruling power....furthermore the individual must be void of personality as of independent judgment. It is imperative that he conform to the movements of the crowd and not seek to be different.””
    -Christophe Buffin de Chosal the end of Democracy Tomblar House 2017


    You Shall Know Them by Their Fruits

    “The worst evils which mankind has ever had to endure were inflicted by bad governments.”
    -Ludwig Von Mises

    “R. J. Rummel has studied the phenomenon of the state killing people within its jurisdiction. He calculates that nearly four times as many people have been killed by their own governments as have been killed in all the wars, domestic and foreign, fought around the globe in the twentieth century. Killing on this scale would not be possible without the subversion of independent social authorities caused by massive centralization. If so, the greatest threat to human life in the twentieth century has not been war but the massive centralization of power in modern states. Rummel says, its as if nuclear war occurred, and no one noticed.”
    -Donald Livingston The Southern Critique of Centralization

    “The “bads” of the Enlightenment are not so readily admitted by its proponents: communism, eugenics, racial purity, selective breeding, National Socialism, Fabianism, Progressivism, fascism, egalitarianism, modern democracy.”
    -Daniel Ajamian the Cost of the Enlightenment

    Centralized Democracies of the last century have killed more [often of its own people] and caused more evil than all the medieval Kings combined. Stalin, Hitler, Pol pot to name a few. Further they have trampled the liberties of its people and forced them using the cohesive power of the state to shape and control large sections of its populace often with death to those who would not conform to the new centralized dictates. Democracy produced communism, fascism, socialism, and social democracy [liberalism]. Think of a town mayor turning tyrannical, he will be easily resisted, a strong military and centralized democracy turns evil it will lead to mass destruction.

    “The recently ended twentieth century was characterized by a level of human rights violations unparalleled in all of human history. In the book death by government, Rudolph Rummel estimates some 170 million government-caused deaths in the twentieth century. The historical evidence appears to indicate that, rather than protecting life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness of their citizens, governments must be considered the greatest threat to human security.... it is states that are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of millions of people and immeasurable destruction of the 20th century alone. Compared to that, victims of private crimes are almost negligible.”
    -Hans- Hermann Hoppe Professor Emeritus of Economics at UNLV, Distinguished Senior Fellow with the Mises Institute

    “Standardization was the keynote of the French Revolution and in spite of the fact that these standardizations... the general effect upon Europe was disastrous. Nationalism, so necessary for every aggressive mass army, soon swept all over Europe and brought havoc to those parts of the Old Continent The greatest suffering was reserved not only to the national-linguistic minorities in particular but to all minorities in general. People, who in one way or the other belonged to a minority group, had to pay the penalty to the majority rule of the "general will." Whoever opposed the general will was automatically a "traitor" and severest punishment was inflicted upon him.The more "democratic" Europe became, the worse was the fate of minorities. The years 1918-1919 and 1933 heralded the darkest periods for European minorities....If the herdist spirit is strong the minorities will be automatically disliked for the mere fact that they dare to be "different." The hatred of the democratic masses for the minorities is the driving force and the cement for these "democratic" dictatorships under popular leaders ”
    -Erik von Kuehnelt- Leddihn The Menace of the
    Herd or Procrustes at Large Bruce Publishing Company Milwaukee 1943

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    Warfare - Total war or Chivalry?
    “the influence of the spirit of nationalism, that is of democracy, on war was profound... it emotionalized war, and consequentially, brutalized it... wars were largely the occupation of Kings, courtiers and gentlemen. Armies lived on their depots ….soldiers were paid out of the kings privy purse they were too costly to be thrown away lighltey on massive attacks. The change came about with the french revolution...armies became more and more institutions of the people, not only did they grow in size but in ferocity.”
    -Fuller war and Western Civilization quoted in Democracy the God that Failed

    “War became total war, in large part driven by another gift of the Enlightenment, modern democracy. While Lincoln established the precedent fifty years earlier, it was finally in the Great War when war of all against all became generally accepted throughout and within Europe, an event for the nation and not merely the combatants Poison gas, air raids over civilian populations, submarines destroying ships regardless of flag or purpose, the blockade of civilian food and supplies, even peace not leading to relief.And church towers used as observation posts, leading to their destruction; painting a picture of the cost of the Enlightenment”.
    -Daniel Ajamian the Cost of the Enlightenment

    In a democracy war is the only means of expanding its exploitation [tax] base. Democracy brought about great instability among nations since the rise of democracy near constant wars and revolutions have occurred. Thomas Aquinas in On Kingship wrote “Provinces or cities which are not ruled by one person are torn with dissensions and tossed about without peace... On the other hand, provinces and cities which are ruled under one king enjoy peace, flourish in justice, and delight in prosperity.” Further centralization and democracy brought total war and nationalism. Wars were now fought far more frequent and were far more devastating seeking submission of the enemy and reconstruction in the winners image. Sherman, Sheridan , and Grant brought total war to the south and than reconstructed it from its decentralized republic to a centralized democracy in the image of the northern republicans. They than went to war on the Indians and expanded the empire west. WW1 and WW2 followed their paths. Today they engage in various wars around the world spreading American “democracy.” Wars are now between the entire nations as all of “we the people” are at war. Now taxes are used to build massive armies with the help of government conscription were losses are easily replaced and battles are now sought to annihilate the enemy and wear them down since the politicians money and men are not used. Soldiers are now slaves of the government forced into conscription to fight a war for their masters [elected officials] weather they agree with the war or not. Hoppe quotes Fuller in the god that failed as writing ““In 150 years conscription had led the world back to tribal barbarism.” In the feudal age nobles were expected to not just fight, but lead the armies into battle.

    “Progressive nations have to bleed to death in their wars. Rulers felt that they had to be sparing with the lives of their subjects, but leaders have the marvelous excuse that they are nothing but executors of the general will.”
    -Erik von Kuehnelt- Leddihn The Menace of the Herd or Procrustes at Large Bruce Publishing Company Milwaukee 1943


    Solders pillage large scale, attack, steal, rape, confiscate private property on a massive scale since the introduction of democracy. Because war was now total and the “people” against another nation rather than a Kings loyal knights, the whole of the enemy becomes a target an weapons on mass destruction were sought and created such as the machine gun and bombs. In the medieval west, many saw the bow and later the long bow as immoral and cowardly. In WW2 America dropped bombs on the civilian cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki killing 150,000 to 200,000 men woman and children. Some took weeks or months to die after the bombing. That these were used to save lives seems to come after the war [see Don’t Whitewash the Hiroshima Bombing By Peter Van Buren ] “Harry Truman, in his 1945 annosuncment of the bomb, focused on vengeance, and on the new power to destroy at a button push—“We are now prepared to obliterate more rapidly and completely every productive enterprise the Japanese have above ground in any city,” The Americans were the “good guys” in this war, such is the terror of total war. While in the middle ages.

    “Inventors of poison gas, tanks, pursuit planes, bombers, floating mines, etc., might have run the usually decried risk of getting into trouble with the ecclesiastic authorities. They might have been possibly accused of being in league with the devil — an accusation probably not without foundation.....“Crime also profits largely by new technical inventions. One can say without exaggeration that almost every new technical invention harbors the potentiality of the most demoniacal misuse. We have to ask ourselves honestly whether the invention of the Wright brothers — made in best faith — will not bring much more sorrow than joy to mankind before this present war is over. The answer is obvious. Orville Wright was convinced that the airplane would deal a dashing blow to militarism, eliminating the element of surprise in warfare. Instead it made the enslavement of numerous countries possible and destroyed the finest historical landmarks of London. One feels definitely less sure that a few old-fashioned cardinals and higher ecclesiastics who declared in the seventeenth century that machinery may be the work of Satan, were totally incorrect.”
    -Erik von Kuehnelt- Leddihn The Menace of the Herd or Procrustes at Large Bruce Publishing Company Milwaukee 1943


    Destroy the Church- Replacing the Catholic Church and Monarchy With the Modern State

    "Atheist have no savior, so they often look to government to be their savior, to bring peace, to establish a utopia, to meet needs, to provide material things and so on."
    --Stephen McDowell The Bible America's Source of law and Liberty Providence Foundation 2016

    “Democracy, the most celebrated religion of both the Left and Right..It is a religion, a faith, which is seen as an objective, universal truth, a truth that cannot be challenged. It is the solution to all ills. It is perfect and cannot be damaged by evidence. ..When a society does well, the true believers attribute this to an improvement in democracy. When a democratic system does not work — as it doesn’t in Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, and South Asia — the blame must go elsewhere. The true believers always ask for more democracy.”
    - Jayant Bhandari No Cheers for Democracy

    “Democracy is not just a political system. It is much more, and its nature approaches that of the gods if we consider with how much respect it is treated and with what devotion it is honored. The idolatrous character of democracy is clearly seen in the absolute refusal to question it in any way.... without it [democracy] [we are told] nothing is certain but chaos, oppression, and misery.”
    -Christophe Buffin de Chosal The end of Democracy Tomblar House 2017

    Democracy and the state were to replace God, as the former president of Harvard Roscoe Pound said “The state takes place of Jehovah.” Pope Pius the 11th said “No one can be at the same time a good catholic and a true socialist. Socialism.... cannot be reconciled with the teachings of the catholic church. Because its concept of society itself is utterly foreign to christian truth.” and Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn wrote “the Church and the monarchical institutions are the main targets of the forces of collectivism.” Vladamir Moss wrote ““ The history of democracy since the French Revolution shows an ever-accelerating decline in faith and morality, and an ever-expanding undermining of the natural hierarchical relations that God has placed in human society.” Secularism does not believe in the fall of man and thinks mankind can be improved and perfected, always progressing towards upward evolution. A utopia and paradise on earth can be instituted via government action. Man becomes sovereign the highest authority and his wisdom ultimate. When the state becomes God this has led to rapid growth in the federal government, because there is no higher authority, than the government thinks itself god. There is nothing it cannot touch. It can take away any right from anyone. As the highest authority man [lawmakers] is above the law, not subject to law and can change law as he pleases. Certainly no moral standard of divine law is allowed to be elevated above secular man.

    "The tyrant state abhors an objective standard [gods law] to which it is accountable, rather, flourishes in a subjective environment. It wants to be accountable to no one."
    -Matthew J Trewhella The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrates A Proper resistance to Tyranny and a Repudiation of Unlimited Obedience to Civil Government

    “Democracy itself rests on the conviction that there are no ultimate convictions.... none about which we can know and on which we can form a public consensus to guide public policy.”
    -Henry J Hyde “Religion and politics” quoted in Roman Catholics and Evangelicals Norman Geisler and Ralph Mackenzie

    The lawmakers think they must not just solve all the ills in the country, they must control all modes of behavior and set its own standards. It [the lawmakers/government] will regulate the lives to conform to its own image that is beneficial to itself, resulting in more power to itself. People became servants of the state rather than the government servants of its citizens. Democracy has no higher law or morality. There is no good or evil but what the majority decides, it knows only numbers and force. What is wrong today could be good tomorrow. In all democracies relativism must reign and will be preached through government sources such as media and education. The people must be relativistic so as to be easily manipulated. Democracy produces and categorizes people as herd, and produced a herd mentality.

    “The herdist who tends in the political sphere to be a Leftist — i.e., a national or an international collectivist — feels little attracted by the idea of God's existence who after all is "different" and represents the top of the pyramid of a hierarchic system which the herdist, disbelieving in souls, is unable to accept...he is simply forced to stand for mediocrity because it has as the "medium" (the "fifty-fifty"), the best chance to become the rallying point and the focus for the mass movement, the mass sentiment, or the mass norm”
    -Erik von Kuehnelt- Leddihn The Menace of the Herd or Procrustes at Large Bruce Publishing Company Milwaukee 1943

    “It goes without saying that, as all presidential republics or parliamentary democracies see authority as primarily coming up temporarily to elected rulers from the people of the nation themselves and not down from God upon divinely anointed and consecrated king and queens, no elected system can theoretically or practically embody, manifest, or make real the solemn and covenantal three-way relationship that exists between God, a crowned and anointed monarch, and his or her people.”
    -Quoted from Ryan P. Hunter A Theological and Political Defense of Monarchy

    “Almost all of these ideologies—socialism, ethnic nationalism, fascism, National Socialism of the Czech as well as of the German pattern—claimed to be democratic. None of them claimed to be liberal [classic libertarian sense]. All were hostile in varying degrees towards Catholicism. All have common ancestors. .... All these philosophies are anti-Catholic, anti-monarchical, anti-traditional; they look solely to the future, want to build a new society, and are " dawnist." They are opposed to the freedom of the person and are collectivistic; they divide human beings into specific categories, and they all favour the rise of an omnipotent state. They are materialistic, and claim to be " progressive." All of them have their affinities with the French Revolution.”
    -Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn Liberty or Equality the Challenge of our Time Caxton Printers LTD Galdwell Idaho 1952


    Democracy- the Enemy of the Church? The People?

    “If men will not be governed by God, they will be ruled by tyrants.”
    -William Penn

    “Men, in a word, must necessarily be controlled either by a power within them or by a power without them; either by the Word of God or by the strong arm of man; either by the Bible or by the bayonet.”
    – Robert Winthrop, Speaker of the House U.S

    “All those who by their free will or their disposition are unable to conform to the prescribed standards of equality — and there will always be such a minority... These are then usually the "traitors" who do not "play the game" and must be executed, exiled, or weeded out like the aristos under Robespierre, the burzhuys under Lenin, or the Jews under Adolf Hitler.”
    -Erik von Kuehnelt- Leddihn The Menace of the Herd or Procrustes at Large Bruce Publishing Company Milwaukee 1943

    Democracies mold the population to their desire, those with principle/religion/tradition/customs/tribal beliefs that would not conform faced annihilation. Mao killed 78 million of his own people. Hitler 17 million and Stalin 23 million. Voltaire and the Atheistic french revolution leaders directly attacked the catholic church as its enemy. They sought to dispel Catholicism and monarchy by persecution. Some of the new democracies government actions were to Drown priests, while killing thousands of priests, nuns and bishops. 16 nuns were arrested for private prayer and guillotined than striped naked and thrown in common grave . They took church property. Closed monasteries and convents while dissolving religious orders. Took away their money through tithes. Confiscated valubels. Did away with church holidays, names of streets, towns etc. Did not allow public displayed of crosses and outdoor worship was outlawed . No visible statues or church bells could not be rung. Later only the only legal priest were those who supported the “state” that did what the state wanted and gutted Christianity and were forced to denounce the Pope. They criminalized non state clergy, the death penalty to any who harbored non state priest . Priest could not wear Priestley cloths. Tombstones were smashed that had crosses. No building could be purchased for “religious” purposes. Cults replaced Christianity. The cult of reason worshiped a statue of the goddess of reason and they met in the cathedral of Notre Dame. Street signs were renamed as were holidays based on saints. France changed from the biblical 7 day work week to a 10 day work week. Sep 1792 3 priest were drowned 200 in Paris killed. Priest and nuns executed in Lyon hundreds thrown in prison. Among the victims of the revolution in 1793 that killed tens of thousands of non conforming [nor represented] citizens were thousands of priests and nuns. When Pierre-Rene Rogues carried the Eucharist through the streets on Christmas= eve he was arrested and executed. In the three years of the anti catholic/monarchist democratic revolution victims were Guillotined, 17,000; shot at Toulon, 2000; drowned at Mantes, men, women, and children, 4,800. Then there were the murders by the mob about 10,000 were killed without trial in the province of Anjou alone.

    We have at once and for all declared war on religion and religious ideas”
    -Fredrich Engels 1844

    “Socialism is the natural enemy of religion... the entry of socialism is, consequential, the exodus of religion. No man can be consistantley both a socialist and a christian.... socialism, both as a philosophy and as a form of society, is the antitheses of religion.”
    -Executive committee of the socialist party of Great Britain 1911

    When Lenin came into power he executed priest, bishops, nuns and monks by the thousands. Closed monasteries and convents and imprisoned or shut up in labor camps and mental hospitals. In 1922 their was a concentration camp for clergy on an island in the white sea and they were executed by firing squad. 200,000 in all were killed for their faith. Throughout Russia they were crucified, mutilated, castrated, frozen alive, buried alive, burned, thrown into burning tar, scalped, strangled, drowned, and given communion with melting lead. Estimated that as many as 20 million in all were killed for their religion and monarchist opinions in Russia. 6,832 members of the Catholic clergy were murdered in the Spanish Republican Red Terror of 1936. For more detail on the horrors see “Rodney stark bearing false witness debunking centuries of anti-catholic history templton press.” Centralized government have always treated Christianity the same. Rome offered the first massive persecution but does the same as modern centralized democracies. Yet both claim to hold to diversity and acceptance. G.K Chesterton in Orthodoxy said of the pagan Roman empire “The instincts of the pagan empire would have said “you shall all be Roman citizens and grow alike” and as scholar Thomas Madden says “Romans were extremely tolerant of any kind of religion.” Any kind that will go along with Rome as the state highest authority and willing to accept various Gods.

    “The Roman Empire had brought to the Mediterranean basin an unprecedented political unity... the general policy of the empire was to encourage as much uniformity as possible... in order to achieve greater unity, Imperial policy sought religious uniformity by following two routes syncrestism [the indiscriminate mixing of elements from various religions] and emperor [state] worship. Rome had a vested interest in having its subjects from different lands believe that although their Gods had different names, they were ultimate the same gods... syncretism became the fashion of the time. In that atmosphere Jews and Christians were seen as unbending fanatics who insisted on the sole worship of their God- an alien cyst that must be removed for the good of society.”
    -Justo L Gonzalez the Story of Christianity Volume 1 Harper One 2010

    The state won out. Government has replaced God and people look to it for welfare, education, health, money, rules, morality and anything else they desire. Catholicism and much of Christianity by force was removed from the political sphere and is now a “private” matter forced within the four walls of church buildings. A “personal belief” but not something to guide politics or to be allowed in a public setting.

    “Fundamentally, the western christian church lost its attempt to control civil society. ..In justice as well as government, secular authority emerged as the arbiter, guardian and enforcer of law.. Christendom was dead...political and civil action now rested with secular states”
    -Christopher Tyerman Gods war a new history of the Crusades Harvard U Press Cambridge Mass 2006


    Within a democracy a short steeping stone to socialism/communism there is not enough room for two Gods. Secularism, naturalism and other atheistic philosophies sought to gain the power of the catholic church of the medieval time period and make it their own. After their success as the winners they wrote the history vilifying the medieval time period and putting themselves in a positive light. When they gained control of government they used education and other avenues to create a secular population that would desire conformity, centralization and expanded government control.

    “Your enemy, if your a liberal, is the established powers of the middle ages...and that means first and foremost the monarchy, secondly the catholic church”
    -Professor Thomas Madden The Modern Scholar: The Lost Warriors of God The True History of the Knights Templar

    “What was a generally accepted belief in Christianity throughout the population began to dissolve in the eighteenth century.....“Wipe out the disgrace!” Voltaire said of the Roman Catholic Church. Voltaire....No more of this God of the Bible; Deism became the religion of “reasonable” men. God did create the universe, but the story of Genesis is a fable. God did set the rules – the laws of science; He has no reason to interfere thereafter. Jesus? Sure, He was a wise and good man; but out with the Virgin Birth and the Resurrection. Man-made ethics would be at the top of the pyramid; the enlightened elite were happy to comply. They would be the “superman,” establishing a “new ethos”: new standards of right and wrong, replacing Christian virtues.... western culture and society were transformed in speed and magnitude perhaps unknown in history....all intermediating institutions, especially Christianity and the Church, had been stripped of any meaningful role. Each individual was standing naked, to be molded like clay by these progressive, enlightened, “reasonable” intellectuals. Legislation would solve every problem in life. Every need and want would be met, all bestowed via government largesse...man’s liberation from all norms, traditions, and customs; nothing left to provide governance except the state – and a state happy to oblige...The state encourages and subsidizes culture-destroying behavior, as absent governance provided by custom and tradition, governance will be provided by the state. Reason Without God: As the Enlightenment freed our reason from revelation and tradition, the result should be no surprise. Just because your reason has been freed doesn’t mean that the strongman’s reason will leave you alone or that your reason will convince him. As his reason is no longer bound by anything other than his reason, it will not be your reason that governs but his. To what higher authority can you appeal? There is no authority higher than man’s reason, and the strongman’s reason has bigger guns than does your reason..This is what man has given up in the Enlightenment. We have traded Christian morality – and therefore our liberty – for the enlightened super-man’s reasonable right to decide what is moral.
    -Daniel Ajamian the Cost of the Enlightenment

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    This is just copy-pasted from other sites.

    Anyway, if man can't be trusted with the government of himself, how can he be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels, in the form of kings, to govern him? Let history answer this question.
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    This is just copy-pasted from other sites. Come on, Vladimir, you guys aren't even trying anymore.

    Anyway, if man can't be trusted with the government of himself, how can he be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels, in the form of kings, to govern him? Let history answer this question.
    Vladamir? yes this is also posted on other forums. But it all came from me, my readings. I did not know i was not allowed to post on more than one forum.

    I agree with what you have said. That is why I am for feudal monarchies. I will do a thread on that and it will clarify for you why your above statement would reject democracy in favor of monarchies.

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    Prodromos

    Thanks for the post.

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    No problem. I called you Vladimir because Russian trolls have been spreading this kind of propaganda everywhere lately. I've edited it out.

    A word of advice: an opening post should be like a woman's skirt; long enough to cover the essentials, but short enough to create interest. Otherwise people will just keep scrolling. No one's going to read all this.
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    In democracy, one has a choice between being a subject to the will of others or attempting to be amongst ones who imposes their will on others. In monarchy, this choice is already made by one's birth. That's how I'd rephrase the Spooner quote in the beginning of your essay.

    Anyway. Very short rebuke. Democracy works as long as majority people is able to stay engaged enough to make informed decisions. Totalitarian systems, which include monarchy, work as long as the people in charge have integrity to resist the corruption of power and capability to run the country.
    As history proved many times, both systems tend to actually discourage these conditions. However, where democracy, especially democratic republic (which is how the term democracy is commonly understood) has the edge are checks and balances that hinder the runaway corruption and bad management. They don't always work right, but they are there and add stability to the system that's lacking in totalitarian regimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prodromos View Post
    No problem. I called you Vladimir because Russian trolls have been spreading this kind of propaganda everywhere lately. I've edited it out.

    A word of advice: an opening post should be like a woman's skirt; long enough to cover the essentials, but short enough to create interest. Otherwise people will just keep scrolling. No one's going to read all this.

    oh no problem. I assumed it was you thought i was another poster. Russians are monarchist, interesting.


    Thanks for the suggestion and I assumed that would be the case most often. I do hope some read a section and respond, or like the first section and keep reading. So maybe the first section is the interests [skirt], and if they like, they keep going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sar1n View Post
    In democracy, one has a choice between being a subject to the will of others or attempting to be amongst ones who imposes their will on others. In monarchy, this choice is already made by one's birth. That's how I'd rephrase the Spooner quote in the beginning of your essay.

    Anyway. Very short rebuke. Democracy works as long as majority people is able to stay engaged enough to make informed decisions. Totalitarian systems, which include monarchy, work as long as the people in charge have integrity to resist the corruption of power and capability to run the country.
    As history proved many times, both systems tend to actually discourage these conditions. However, where democracy, especially democratic republic (which is how the term democracy is commonly understood) has the edge are checks and balances that hinder the runaway corruption and bad management. They don't always work right, but they are there and add stability to the system that's lacking in totalitarian regimes.

    I like the feudal monarchies rather than absolute. In that case where you are born and your form of government are not one in the same unless you like your place of birth. You had consent and could vote with your feet. I will do a thread on this in the future.


    I would say in democracy the powers that be make sure the people are not informed. And democracy is totalitarianism [see op] and leads to dictators [see op] while feudal monarchy is the most distant system from totalitarianism besides anarchy. Checks and balances only slow the process as history shows. While feudal monarchies provided long lasting checks and balances that held the system in place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 18611096 View Post
    I like the feudal monarchies rather than absolute. In that case where you are born and your form of government are not one in the same unless you like your place of birth. You had consent and could vote with your feet. I will do a thread on this in the future.


    I would say in democracy the powers that be make sure the people are not informed. And democracy is totalitarianism [see op] and leads to dictators [see op] while feudal monarchy is the most distant system from totalitarianism besides anarchy. Checks and balances only slow the process as history shows. While feudal monarchies provided long lasting checks and balances that held the system in place.
    You're apparently fundamentally mistaking centralization/decentralization issue with democracy/totalitarianism. Also, most of the criticism against democracy here is only really applicable to the two party, winner-takes-it-all system of the USA. The multiple parties, proportional representation system that's common in most of Europe is resistant to those effects, but it has flaws of its own...though it is superior to the US system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sar1n View Post
    You're apparently fundamentally mistaking centralization/decentralization issue with democracy/totalitarianism. Also, most of the criticism against democracy here is only really applicable to the two party, winner-takes-it-all system of the USA. The multiple parties, proportional representation system that's common in most of Europe is resistant to those effects, but it has flaws of its own...though it is superior to the US system.
    Although in its own way the hard federalism of the US achieves the same effect. You can move away from Mississippi and smoke pot and have the freedom of choice in Washington state for example.

    As for the question OP wise. I think my Hyperides quote makes my potion clear

    Since Aristotle in politics and Plato in republic, critics of democracy have pointed out democracy will naturally evolve in tyranny.

    Except neither Athens nor Rhodes did until tyranny was imposed by external tyrants. It is of course ironic that it was the Roman Republic which so allured the US Framers that fell to internal Tyranny.

    Where are the quotes from Thomas Paine? I believe he rather strongly disagreed withe OP ideals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sar1n View Post
    You're apparently fundamentally mistaking centralization/decentralization issue with democracy/totalitarianism. Also, most of the criticism against democracy here is only really applicable to the two party, winner-takes-it-all system of the USA. The multiple parties, proportional representation system that's common in most of Europe is resistant to those effects, but it has flaws of its own...though it is superior to the US system.

    I see them as going hand and hand. Democracy always leads to centralization, centralization leads to totalitarianism. Decentralization [feudal monarchies] prevents both. Generally speaking of course. The flaws of europe and the us despite differing party numbers, is democracy itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conon394 View Post
    Although in its own way the hard federalism of the US achieves the same effect. You can move away from Mississippi and smoke pot and have the freedom of choice in Washington state for example.

    As for the question OP wise. I think my Hyperides quote makes my potion clear
    Antebellum america indeed had decentralization. But democracy within the us [north] destroyed it. I am sure it would have happened in the south as well it just took longer.


    You dont want a master? me either. but the modern state is your master and it has more control over you than any king ever had.



    "in democracy we are not volunteers, we are conscripts, we cannot opt out, we are forced into it....governments do not merely advise us to follow their rules....they enforce their laws and rules with violence, or threats of violence.”
    -Jason Brennan Against democracy Princeton University Press Princeton and Oxford 2017


    Read from my op these two sections please.

    Democracy the Road to Socialism -Communism and Totalitarianism
    Two Party System and Self Government

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    in democracy we are not volunteers, we are conscripts, we cannot opt out, we are forced into it....governments do not merely advise us to follow their rules....they enforce their laws and rules with violence, or threats of violence.”
    Ahh yes and the surfs of Russia were allowed to opt out by the Czar? The soldiers of Kaiser could you not go over the top with just what a note from their mommy?Your fail here is you have to argue for anarchy not one government over the other thay all implement their will via force. Its rather if you all get the opportunity to have a say or just that guy over their and maybe i dunno he wants to bang you wife and send to a suicide mission.

    Antebellum america indeed had decentralization. But democracy within the us [north] destroyed it. I am sure it would have happened in the south as well it just took longer.
    Yep all them black people could totally opt out of the Antebellum South. "Yes sir Isa I thinking I don't want to you slave and sex toy any more Isa be going to Canada yous got my back pay...". The American democracy such as it has been would have been better cauterizing the southern aristocracy from the start.
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    But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conon394 View Post
    Ahh yes and the surfs of Russia were allowed to opt out by the Czar? The soldiers of Kaiser could you not go over the top with just what a note from their mommy?Your fail here is you have to argue for anarchy not one government over the other thay all implement their will via force. Its rather if you all get the opportunity to have a say or just that guy over their and maybe i dunno he wants to bang you wife and send to a suicide mission.
    well yes indeed they could, in fact the feudal system was one of consent, while democracy is by force. I will do a thread to show this. But even if they could not that does not change the fact the state is your master, you have a master. That is what I was responding to.



    Quote Originally Posted by conon394 View Post
    Yep all them black people could totally opt out of the Antebellum South. "Yes sir Isa I thinking I don't want to you slave and sex toy any more Isa be going to Canada yous got my back pay...". The American democracy such as it has been would have been better cauterizing the southern aristocracy from the start.

    I was referring to of course those with political authority. Just as white southerners were denied self government as were black southerns as all of us in the us today are slaves to our master the state. We have no choice and if we do not obey, jail or death will occur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 18611096 View Post
    well yes indeed they could, in fact the feudal system was one of consent, while democracy is by force. I will do a thread to show this. But even if they could not that does not change the fact the state is your master, you have a master. That is what I was responding to.
    Now that is a joke if I ever heard one.

    You have no idea what feudalism really was, do you. Just like you obviously have no idea how different the multi-party democracy and two-party US "democracy" are. You're just ranting against the poor implementation of democracy in the USA.

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    Now that is a joke if I ever heard one.

    You have no idea what feudalism really was, do you. Just like you obviously have no idea how different the multi-party democracy and two-party US "democracy" are. You're just ranting against the poor implementation of democracy in the USA.

    I disagree fully. In fact I think "democracy" is at its best in the U.S. it gets worse form there. I will link you to feudalism.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 18611096 View Post
    I disagree fully. In fact I think "democracy" is at its best in the U.S. it gets worse form there. I will link you to feudalism.


    https://www.christianforums.com/thre...-ages.8142142/
    Religious forums? No thanks.

    You seem to have very uninformed and naive opinion about state of democracy in other countries, and even worse about life under feudalism. I suggest you try to fix it, go out of your shell and explore sources that don't reinforce your bias.

    I've briefly scanned the second part of your...whatever, and I see how you conveniently omit very important facts. For example, you rant how the social welfare and healthcare system is wasteful, and how it was generously provided by church, but you neglect to mention the fact that church financed it from the tax it levied-tithe-and it did not only use it for welfare, but also to build churches, buy jewels and generally high standard of living for its high ranking members, which was far more expensive than the little healthcare and some basic food it provided to those in need.

    Oh, and while you keep talking about freedom, your idea of feudalism is inherently dependent on the worst kind of tyranny. Religion.

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