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    Whilst Americans today await North Korea's "Christmas Present", we must not forget the many, many new and shiny Christmas Presents Putin is more than happy to guarantee delivery to the Anglo Americans.
    ‘Today THEY are trying to catch up’: Putin says Russia surpasses all competitors in advanced weapons for the first time

    24 Dec, 2019 22:47 / Updated 1 day ago


    MiG-31 multirole fighter aircraft with Kinzhal hypersonic missiles. © Sputnik / Grigory Sysoev





    Russia is spending far less on defense and more efficiently, developing a series of advanced weapons that its rivals are struggling to copy, President Vladimir Putin said, teasing a ground-launched hypersonic missile.
    The Soviet Union was always trying to catch up to the US, whether it was the atomic bomb, strategic aviation, or the first intercontinental missiles, Putin said on Tuesday, during a meeting of the Russian Defense Ministry Board.
    Today, we have a unique situation in our new and recent history – they are trying to catch up with us.
    The president noted that “not a single country possesses hypersonic weapons, let alone continental-range hypersonic weapons,” but the Russian military is already equipped with Kinzhal air-launched missiles, while Avangard hypersonic gliders are currently being introduced in service.

    Vladimir Putin addresses the meeting of the Defense Ministry Board in Moscow. © Sputnik / Mikhail Klimentyev



    Kalibr cruise missiles and Peresvet combat lasers also recently boosted the capabilities of the military, while the development of other state-of-the-art weapon systems such as the Sarmat ICBM, Poseidon long-range underwater drone, and the nuclear-powered Burevestnik cruise missile is “going according to plan.”

    The Zircon is said to be virtually invisible to radar, due to the plasma cloud that appears around the projectile as it reaches the whopping speed of Mach 9, or around 10,000 kilometers per hour. The missile is capable of hitting targets at a range of over 1,000km.
    Russia ranks sixth in the world in terms of gross military spending – behind the US, China, Saudi Arabia, UK, France, and Japan – but it “must and will remain ahead of the others” in terms of advanced technology, the president said. This will be achieved through “brains, intellect, better organization of work [and] minimization of theft and sloppiness.”



    Source: https://www.rt.com/russia/476780-rus...ns-hypersonic/
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    Russia not joking: Unmatched hypersonic & laser weapons to be supplied to the military, Putin assures commanders
    Source: https://www.rt.com/russia/472768-put...laser-weapons/

    Now, how is all this possible?

    Easy, Russian R&D is simply superior to the Americans, especially when all these weapons are based on cutting edge physics research:
    Russia developing air defense systems based on new physical principles

    The weapons based on these principles include laser and microwave guns, sonic weapons and others
    Source: https://tass.com/defense/1103381


    That's an Avangard missile; the missile the uses the Earth's plasma as stealth shielding just before it drops in to deliver Putin's Christmas Present to Anglo Americans.

    Quite simply, the Russians have bested the Americans when it comes to military technology, not unlike the Germans having better technology during ww2 but unlike that analogy, the Russians aint in danger of Operation Paperclip anytime soon.
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    Only russian aircraft carrier had fire and is basically done as damage value is almost as high as residual ship value

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...uznetsov-fire/

    Submarine sank even with floating dock - LOL

    https://www.fleetmon.com/maritime-ne...naval-base-se/

    Last week SU-57 crashed

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-service.html

    And last not least Russian botched test of new missile? managed to kill 7 russian

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/w...ent-putin.html

    - Well done, looks like russian weaponry is more dangerous to russians than to anybody else.
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    Really Exarch a list of RT links not exactly hard unbiased independent research.

    "The weapons based on these principles include laser and microwave guns, sonic weapons and others"

    Everybody has those is same state of perpetual going to be awesome state like forever. Personally I'll be impressed about the lasers when somebody shows me one doing anything useful in a fog cloud or driving rain that chain gun can't do better and at less cost. I would agree laser dazzlers are cheap and (seemingly, nominally) effective and it is the US that is doing the catching up a bit at least in terms of widespread use. Can you use the microwave gun to heat the your lunch - No private you have to use the popcorn setting on that but you had it on kill now that was our last bag.
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    Ok, a post listing advanced Russian kit and the FIRST picture is a pair of 70's era Mig-31 Foxbats?

    Sure now let me show you advanced British kit using a picture of Tornado and advanced American tech using a pic of an F-16......

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    the real russian issue is this:
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesro...-survey-finds/

    basically nobody wants to live in russia, everyone with opportunity or with money wants to get away. Russia is country where people lost faith in the future. That´s why Putin tries to sell glorious past. Because there is nothing else..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daruwind View Post
    the real russian issue is this:
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesro...-survey-finds/

    basically nobody wants to live in russia, everyone with opportunity or with money wants to get away. Russia is country where people lost faith in the future. That´s why Putin tries to sell glorious past. Because there is nothing else..
    Between an economy that's about as unequal as the US and political oppression, it's not too surprising that nobody wants to live there.
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    “Understanding Russia is actually very easy, but one must teach oneself to do something that is very hard—to believe the unbelievable. Westerners become confused because they approach Russia with a Western frame of reference, not realizing that Russia is a universe based on a completely different set of values. If a Westerner takes it for granted that the individual has inherent worth and is not just raw material for the deluded schemes of corrupt political leaders, he may not realize that in Russia this outlook is not widely shared. To grasp the reality of Russia, it is necessary to accept that Russian leaders really are capable of blowing up hundreds of their own people to preserve their hold on power. They really are capable of ordering an attack with flamethrowers on a gymnasium full of defenseless parents and children. Once one accepts that the impossible is really possible, the degradation of the Yeltsin years and Vladimir Putin’s rise to power make perfect sense.” - David Satter, 'The Less You Know, the Better You Sleep'
    Russia is a gas station with an army. There's a reason you don't own a Russian TV, drive a Russian car, use a Russian payment service or consume Russian entertainment. Russia creates very little. Their plans for the future lie not in building their country up, but in dragging other countries down to their level, whether through war, as in Ukraine; or through disinformation campaigns aimed at pitting citizens against each other, as they've been doing in Europe and America. Russia is an enemy, but ultimately, it's a tragedy. You can't even hate them, not the way you would al Qaeda or Nazi Germany. You can only feel sorry for them and hope for their liberation. A free and prosperous Russia would be glorious.

    Anyway, it's fair to say the past month hasn't been good news for the Kremlin. Russia is locked out of international sports for 4 years, Lukashenko and Zelensky said no to Putin's demands, and the EU extended its sanctions against Russia by 6 months and announced plans to adopt a European Magnitsky Act.

    Testing missiles Russia will never use is a nice show of force, but strength is a lot like silence; the more you speak of it, the less you have it. Behind the facade of a rising Russia is a decaying country ruled by a regime with an increasingly tenuous hold on power.
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    , it is necessary to accept that Russian leaders really are capable of blowing up hundreds of their own people to preserve their hold on power.
    Did he mean Yeltsin attacking Russian Parliament with tanks, with blessing of Western powers and praise of Western media?
    They really are capable of ordering an attack with flamethrowers on a gymnasium full of defenseless parents and children.
    That's rich, especially given how American alphabet agencies were quite trigger-happy against their own citizens in Waco and Ruby Ridge.
    nce one accepts that the impossible is really possible, the degradation of the Yeltsin years and Vladimir Putin’s rise to power make perfect sense.
    Oh please, what has Russia done that some Western power didn't do much worse?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Oh please, what has Russia done that some Western power didn't do much worse?
    Tried to implement communism. Scary thing is, there are still many people in Russia that think of it as "good old times".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sar1n View Post
    Tried to implement communism. Scary thing is, there are still many people in Russia that think of it as "good old times".
    Last time I checked, Bolshevik movement was sponsored from the West. Ideology itself was also begotten by Westerners. On the other hand, in Russian Empire average Ivan could own firearms, private property and had more freedom of speech as well.
    I mean there are people who are nostalgic for USSR days because they grew up at the time.
    If Germans were legally allowed to speak their minds, I'm sure some elderly would express same sentiment about 1930s.

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    My, my, i had no idea so many people here were so insecure about Russia; it's like they were told Russians were going to come into their own homes and eat their porridge.

    Already, Russian "America Killers" are entering service:
    Avangard, Russia’s advanced hypersonic glider, enters military service

    27 Dec, 2019 10:51 / Updated 4 minutes ago


    FILE PHOTO. An Avangard glider before getting loaded into a silo. © Sputnik / Russia's Defense Ministry



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    The advanced Russian nuclear hypersonic glider entered combat service on Friday with the first regiment of Avangard-armed missiles now operational, the defense minister reported.
    Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu, who reported the development to President Putin on Friday, said Avangard deployment was “a signatory event for the country and the armed forces.”
    The Russian military armed legacy silo-based UR-100N ICBMs, also known as the Stiletto, with the cutting-edge warheads meant to penetrate heavy anti-ballistic missile defenses.
    The glider is one of several weapons systems meant to boost Russian nuclear deterrence, which were announced by President Vladimir Putin last year. The build-up is meant to counter Washington’s development of ABM technologies, which Russia sees as a national threat.
    The Russian president believes Russia’s nuclear forces need to be strong enough to dissuade any temptation that US military strategists may have to deliver a pre-emptive strike against Russia during a possible crisis. The missile regiment is reportedly deployed in the Orenburg region.


    Source: https://www.rt.com/news/476943-avang...us-inspectors/

    I don't see any US countermeasures against that, let alone any of the other America killers in Russia's arsenal. Quite a poor result from the world's biggest military spender. American taxpayers ought to be asking themselves what the hell they're going without affordable infrastructure, medicine and schooling for, if they can't at least feel superior with the best weapons on the planet.

    Given that most of the twc posters aren't taxpayers, the latter is a moot point anyhow.

    Hell, Russian weapons are so good at killing that even NATO spear carrier, Turkey would prefer to use Russian weapons than inferior Anglo American weapons:
    Turkey may potentially seek to acquire an additional batch of Russian-made S-400 air-defence missile systems, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov told Rossiya-24 broadcaster.
    Source: https://sputniknews.com/military/201...minister-says/

    For a bit of context, Turks are central asian descendants who are wannabe europeans and so they are the perfect candidate for NATO's nazi like aspirations in dominating eastern europe. Better that turks die than the pure white aryan races of western europe. Turks, who form the bulk of NATO's armymen, are supposed to soak up Russian bombs and bullets so the white anglo americans can swoop in and declare victory and steal all the glory ala ww2.
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    Who cares about weapon you cannot use... Don´t worry Exarch, USA and others are working on weapons. But they prefer tanks, drones, aircrafts and other stuff you are using...like aircraft carrier. How many carriers do Russia have today? Think Russia is no longer in club of countries with carrier as last one is basically floating junkyard. So tell us about sci-fi missiles...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prodromos View Post
    Russia is a gas station with an army. There's a reason you don't own a Russian TV, drive a Russian car, use a Russian payment service or consume Russian entertainment. Russia creates very little. Their plans for the future lie not in building their country up, but in dragging other countries down to their level, whether through war, as in Ukraine; or through disinformation campaigns aimed at pitting citizens against each other, as they've been doing in Europe and America. Russia is an enemy, but ultimately, it's a tragedy. You can't even hate them, not the way you would al Qaeda or Nazi Germany. You can only feel sorry for them and hope for their liberation. A free and prosperous Russia would be glorious.

    Anyway, it's fair to say the past month hasn't been good news for the Kremlin. Russia is locked out of international sports for 4 years, Lukashenko and Zelensky said no to Putin's demands, and the EU extended its sanctions against Russia by 6 months and announced plans to adopt a European Magnitsky Act.

    Testing missiles Russia will never use is a nice show of force, but strength is a lot like silence; the more you speak of it, the less you have it. Behind the facade of a rising Russia is a decaying country ruled by a regime with an increasingly tenuous hold on power.
    ^This.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    I mean there are people who are nostalgic for USSR days because they grew up at the time.
    If Germans were legally allowed to speak their minds, I'm sure some elderly would express same sentiment about 1930s.
    Its not just some elderly with their nostalgia: Survey finds record 70% of Russians think Stalin was a good leader

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    My, my, i had no idea so many people here were so insecure about Russia; it's like they were told Russians were going to come into their own homes and eat their porridge.
    Err how about not caring all that much. So you post a bunch of claims from RT and the fact people point out some holes means they are insecure. You know PR posts might suggest you are insecure.

    I don't see any US countermeasures against that, let alone any of the other America killers in Russia's arsenal. Quite a poor result from the world's biggest military spender. American taxpayers ought to be asking themselves what the hell they're going without affordable infrastructure, medicine and schooling for, if they can't at least feel superior with the best weapons on the planet.
    Well if actually armed with a nuclear warhead the response already exists you know ballistic missile submarines. Next question is how many does Russia have or is going to buy because its likely a very expensive one shot wonder. But if it strokes thier ego I suppose it worth the cuts to Russia's retirement system.

    hell they're going without affordable infrastructure, medicine and schooling for
    The Russians might do the same - oh right they are not allowed to...
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    If anything Russia should invest into space technology. So how goes this new russian space launch site? New Rockets? Next technology race will be about space. Claiming, mining and militarization will be big focus. China and USA are miles ahead. Multiple companies creating new rockets new techs....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daruwind View Post
    If anything Russia should invest into space technology. So how goes this new russian space launch site? New Rockets? Next technology race will be about space. Claiming, mining and militarization will be big focus. China and USA are miles ahead. Multiple companies creating new rockets new techs....
    Meh, Russia’s head start in the Arctic will be a bigger deal than people think IMO, especially since the US is heavily disadvantaged there in terms of real estate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legio_Italica View Post
    Meh, Russia’s head start in the Arctic will be a bigger deal than people think IMO, especially since the US is heavily disadvantaged there in terms of real estate.
    Russian Arctic activity is to prevent others from getting resources ;-) What is the difference is Russia has a lot resources or twice as many? They will still be selling them to others instead of using resources for high end stuff...

    But try to look up money in space. In asteroids, plantoids, comets. Getting anything to space is expensive so head start there is more important for next century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithradates View Post
    Its not just some elderly with their nostalgia: Survey finds record 70% of Russians think Stalin was a good leader
    I mean they visited people at homes on a weekday. Majority of people who are at home on a weekday are elderly. Hence, my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daruwind View Post
    Who cares about weapon you cannot use... Don´t worry Exarch, USA and others are working on weapons. But they prefer tanks, drones, aircrafts and other stuff you are using...like aircraft carrier. How many carriers do Russia have today? Think Russia is no longer in club of countries with carrier as last one is basically floating junkyard. So tell us about sci-fi missiles...
    The very same sci-fi weapons that have american think tanks screaming in terror and scrambling to find any way to murder Putin and make it stop! Make it stop!! Make the evil Russkies go awayyyy!!!

    Basically, these weapons ensure that white americans will sit up and behave around other nations:
    Avangard changes everything: What Russia’s hypersonic warhead deployment means for the global arms race

    27 Dec, 2019 20:38


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    By Nebojsa Malic, senior writer at RT

    Moscow’s deployment of ‘Avangard’ hypersonic warheads means the US missile defense installations in Europe are now obsolete – and that Washington would have to spend a lot of money it doesn’t have in order to catch up.
    Video released by the Russian defense ministry on Friday shows the hypersonic glider warheads being loaded onto silo-based missiles. For now, the Avangards will be mounted on the UR-100N (or SS-19 Stiletto, as NATO calls them) ballistic missiles, until the RS-28 Sarmat is ready to enter service.
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    Err how about not caring all that much. So you post a bunch of claims from RT and the fact people point out some holes means they are insecure. You know PR posts might suggest you are insecure.



    Well if actually armed with a nuclear warhead the response already exists you know ballistic missile submarines. Next question is how many does Russia have or is going to buy because its likely a very expensive one shot wonder. But if it strokes thier ego I suppose it worth the cuts to Russia's retirement system.



    The Russians might do the same - oh right they are not allowed to...
    As mentioned earlier, Russian advances in weapons mean that the white americans and the rest of their slave soldiers in NATO are forced to recalculate. Sending millions of turks to die for white america is one thing, having white americans die in the millions themselves, is entirely another.

    Avangard for instance means US missile shields mean and that european nations especially the self hating slavic nations of eastern europe will pay a heavy price for whoring themselves out to die for the great satan. Avangard also means that white american 1%ers like your buddies in the Beltway get like 11 minutes to stop their pizzagate parties and repent of their sins.

    EDIT: The thing is the Americans have no choice now but to pour ever more increasing money and treasure into keeping up with Russian weapons R&D. It's a trap which they have only themselves to blame, they're nowhere near close to Russian nor Chinese HGV tech and this is only the start of the new cold war. The ABM shield is now rendered a scam/bribe game for corrupt US politicians to get their vig from gullible eastern europeans.
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    Jesus! I cannot sleep in night now! Sorry have to repent my sins and finish achievement hunt in ToB.
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