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Thread: Scottish Independance II: Scots Fight On

  1. #61
    Daruwind's Avatar Citizen
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    Default Re: Scottish Independance II: Scots Fight On

    Exactly! Czech and Slovaks are great friends. Languages are basically very same. Problems or more likely issues with one nation were the same for second nation as well even during joining EU. But Uk/Scotland..Spain...? But there are always conditions....

    But look at UK/Scotland. Let´s say Scotland 2014 referendum got them independence. Sure there would still be question about the potential Brexit (around now ) but we can assume UK would be still part of EU as of now plus maybe little longer because firstly UK/Scotland would need to settle thing between them. In such situation UK and Spain could easily block any attempt to join EU for Scotland. Spain for fear of independence for Catalonia, Basque and UK for whatever reason...let´s say in case the Scotland independence was not completely nice process. It is basically another bargaining chip for UK in independence vs EU membership.

    But now? UK is leaving. So by this UK will lost any control over if Scotland can or cannot join EU. Plus whole Brexit is somewhat damaging EU public PR as member is leaving there will be political will to counter this. Best way is getting new member. New old member is especially great as you don´t have to add some states which are not quite "there yet" (Turkey?). Political will to repair public EU PR easily counters whole Spain especially if Scotland will leave in very legal way. States have control over legal process. You can fight windmills forever...So Scotland legally leaving UK has is giving no special room to Catalania and others.

    Still current issue is future of UK. There might be yet another crisis in next years, brexit at its own, trade deals take time. Short question, will UK see new golden age soon after brexit or not? If not and there are major (economical) issues, it will bring probably the biggest opportunity for independent Scotland. And Unified Ireland. Because logic is simple, golden age for UK = nobody wants to leave UK. Crappy age for UK = somebody gets idea that leaving might be option. And then of course right back to EU..

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  2. #62
    Ludicus's Avatar Vicarius Provinciae

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    Default Re: Scottish Independance II: Scots Fight On

    Quote Originally Posted by Gromovnik View Post
    Spain won't block Scotland if the separation was consentual and agreed upon with London.
    Yep.Spain would not oppose future independent Scotland

    Just as a side note. British territory Gibraltar 'could stay in Schengen Area after Brexit...
    British territory Gibraltar could remain in the European Union’s Schengen Area of free movement after Brexit, it’s been claimed. Fabian Picardo, chief minister of the microstate, said the territory should remain accessible to the rest of the EU.

    How one proverb became a recurring part of the of the Brexit ...

    Ever since Boris Johnson characterized his policy on cake as “pro having it and pro eating it too,” Brussels has sought to alert the British negotiators to the impossibility of adopting such an attitude. In October 2016, Donald Tusk, taking a rather literal approach to the aphorism called upon proponents of the ‘cake philosophy’ to carry out a scientific experiment: "Buy a cake, eat it, and see if it is still there on the plate"
    Il y a quelque chose de pire que d'avoir une âme perverse. C’est d'avoir une âme habituée
    Charles Péguy

    Every human society must justify its inequalities: reasons must be found because, without them, the whole political and social edifice is in danger of collapsing”.
    Thomas Piketty

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